Smokey0418 DWC Grow Journal 2021

Smokey0418

Smokey0418

Well-Known Member
Hello . thank you for taking a look at my set up , still going through the learning pains.

I have had to resort to outside for the past 10 years but legalization has changed my game, so back indoor I have come.

I am growing in a gorilla 5x5 using with 6 inch exhaust and 4 intake with a charcoal can on the 6.

Using a 8 gallon reservoir that holds 6 gallons under the mess pot.

Water temp average would be 75 balancing ph of 5.8 (trying to control this)

Ec level yesterday 1.2 , yes way to high but I'm adjusting , please read on .

Lights - 2 es300v2 electric sky
( I grew many years inside with a pair of 1000's so after much research I settled with these to replicate 1 I hope)

Room temp would be 80-82 when lights are one, rh 50%

I have 2 fans on the plant then another above the lights.

This Plant is 90 days old from seed, I have had super slow growth , probably from trimming and then bad nutrient uptake ( well for sure that)

I believe what i have left here is G13 Haze from barney's if I'm wrong I am sorry and its Cookies Kush , but I have mixed them up and turfed a male than was suppose to be a fem.

Currently I have just changed my water to a Mixture I found that @Tokin Roll has used , as I need to resolve my issue before flower.

So currently I mixed 6 gallons of RO water
250 ppm of calmag ( not magic, botanicare , is very close)
10 ML of silica ( missed your post but it will go in first next time)
4ml rapid root
1 part botanicare pro grow to 600 ppm total(.7 scale) , so that's maybe 425 ppm on our gauge (8.5 ec)
12ml microbial mass ( mixed in a cup and poured through cup as i"m not sure if my roots are ok)
then a small amount of ph up to 6.05

Swapped the res and cross my fingers my ph doesn't bottom out.

thank you for looking and any suggestions would be appreciated Smokey0418

1972 fixed.jpg


IMG-1971.jpg
 
8hrs since nutrient change.

She is looking a bit happier this morning, I added a third stone to the bucket. Took a look at others , they still seem clean and bubbly.

Ph level fell to 5.55 , that by far has been the best response I have had yet.

Water level dropped a bit 1-2 litres.
Water temp 77

ppm went up 600 to 620 , (700 scale)


So after coming out of weeks of higher concentrations I believe she is in by far the best concentration yet. So ph adjust to 6.05 and let it ride.
Leaves are a bit droopy but not too bad.

16B3AE83-51DC-4A3B-966A-7C4418977748.jpeg
 
In 3.5 hours checked ph again , its was down to 5.55 so I upped to 6.2 before lights out.

This afternoon was going through the numbers making sure I had this ppm thing down, which I did, but then come to realize my setting can be changed to .500 if I like , so moving forward ppm will be the 500 scale.

Before lights out 6.2 ph and 430 ppm (500 scale)

8 hours later 5.6 ph and 425 ppm water down 1/4 inch

ph'd back to 6.2

She is looking better , a bit perkier.

Also looking into my microbial mass, I shorted myself 3ml ,so I solo cupped my nutes twice halving my mass pouring it through the net pot.

Imho I believe the roots a looking better but need more time to make sure.

I will be making a scrogg up tomorrow to stretch this lady out.

IMG-1976.jpg
 
July 2 2021.

She is still chugging along this morning .

Ph again travelled from 6.2 to 5.3 water temp 75.2

ppm up 10 points to 435ppm,

,this concerned me a bit and water was down a 1/2 inch so I put a couple 3 liters of Ro while I bumped ph back.

She is looking happier and still standing perky

The root system imho looks whiter , surely not like some .

PH 6.2
ppm now 400
 
Little over 12 hrs and ph has fallen to 5.05 with 414 ppm.

Level of water hasn't moved today, just the ph.

Early in my Grow I was using DNF formula for hydro but believe it was my trouble as its organic in some way and from the journals I have read , dislike organic in dwc and or rdwc

Perhaps this Pro Gro Botanicare is the reason for the ph swings as its somewhat organ, ic also.

Then I would potentially have more bad bacteria for my good bacteria to have to keep up ?

I believe the roots are looking good , she stronger but missing something.

Ph back to 6.22

IMG-1978.jpg
 
Smokey0418 said:
Well I wanted to start my trellis last evening, but with the ph falling like a stone I may need to start with a fresh tote again , so I held off till this morning.

She is looking better but again the ph fell to the floor 5.02

Ph back to 6.2 and the ppm holds at 413 ppm.

FFB76B84-0DB1-43FE-A422-4DEACB097839.jpeg
Click to expand...
Hello @Smokey0418 great girl you have there.
I'm not a dwc guy but ill follow along and learn.
@Rexer knows dwc maby he can help with things .
Good work so far my friend.
Bill
 
Hi @Smokey0418

A couple things, you need to black out your lid, it's letting light in which can cause some of the issues your experiencing (use tin foil if you have to to get thru this grow then paint it black). You want zero light.

There's nothing wrong with organic nutes. And you are doing a somewhat organic grow by choosing to use beneficial bacteria vs H202.

Always add at min cal mag to ro water before adding it in (something I recently learnt).


Silica is a touchy element to add and is often a source of trouble for new growers. As it's not an essential, leave it out of the equation until you've gotten things in check (or until your next grow, my last/current one I didn't even bother to add any....she's got plenty of solid branches).


I may not be around much this weekend (going camping), but feel free to tag me anytime to grab my attention (I got a short attention span) or pm me.

And not sure if you have a copy but this is a great guide
C62E28B0-CCEB-4E4A-BC84-A47103ECEC8B.jpeg-1.jpg



What are you using for ph up/down?
 
Hello @Bill284 .

Thank you for looking. This nutrient would run better with an IV of ph up dripping away as she on her way down.

So experienced growers would say watch your plants, I have experience just not in dwc and she saying I’m alive .

She has no bugs, only thing I see on leaves are micro drips of water.

So that leads me to believe maybe the nutes.
 
Smokey0418 said:
Hello @Bill284 .

Thank you for looking. This nutrient would run better with an IV of ph up dripping away as she on her way down.

So experienced growers would say watch your plants, I have experience just not in dwc and she saying I’m alive .

She has no bugs, only thing I see on leaves are micro drips of water.

So that leads me to believe maybe the nutes.
Click to expand...
Whats your rh?
Rexer has some great knowledge he can help keep you on track. :thumb:
Bill
 
Hello @Rexer

Thank you for the reply. The buckets and lids are black . I can keep water looking fantastic and clear.
Thank you for chart it’s been useful.


Enjoy the camping.

Couple more days and I will have it, I’m close .

RH 50%

I do run it higher but I don’t stay on top of it, I just fill the humidifier till it’s out then refill once a week.
 
Smokey0418 said:
Hello @Rexer

Thank you for the reply. The buckets and lids are black . I can keep water looking fantastic and clear.
Thank you for chart it’s been useful.


Enjoy the camping.

Couple more days and I will have it, I’m close .

RH 50%
Click to expand...

Ahh the lid is blacked out on the inside? Sorry I just saw the white lid, which would diffuse the light but not block it.

The water would look just fine, until your past the point of trouble (been there). When you see algea, your on the loosing side of the battle.

How's the smell from roots?

What are you using for ph up/down?



We'll figure this out!
 
Smokey0418 said:
Hello @Rexer

Thank you for the reply. The buckets and lids are black . I can keep water looking fantastic and clear.
Thank you for chart it’s been useful.


Enjoy the camping.

Couple more days and I will have it, I’m close .

RH 50%

I do run it higher but I don’t stay on top of it, I just fill the humidifier till it’s out then refill once a week.
Click to expand...
50 rh is great Smokey.
Hey @Rexer hope you have fun camping.
Don't forget the air mattress. Those rocks suck to sleep on. ;)
Bill
 
Maybe @West Hippie can chime in, I know the constant ph dropping is something I've come across...just not kicking my memory lol.

Leaving soon- best of luck I'll check back in randomly (there's still cell signal , ;) )
 
I went through the same thing with the newest MC once I got over 4 grams the ph started the same . First couple days I’d drive the ph to 5.5 and over night back to 6.2 . Third day I gave up and left it at 6.2 till time to change the buckets. It was the Acapulco Gold and OO KUSH dwc grow . Then I found another ph chart for hydro in @MrSauga thread and 6.1 - 6.3 was okay so decided to let it stay . Both came out great with the high ph .
The pro-teck silica in hydro only last three days before it goes to slime .
Thanks again Rex for the tag and I know MrSauga will know where the chart is , normally I bookmarked them but it wasn’t in there .
Stout msa is the next silica I’ll be trying.
 
West Hippie said:
Then I found another ph chart for hydro in @MrSauga thread and 6.1 - 6.3 was okay so decided to let it stay . Both came out great with the high ph .
Click to expand...
Thanks West for the tag. Do any of these ones ring a bell? I think the first one, the link to my thread, may be the one you are referring to. I'll remove the ones that you didn't pick :).

Sauga's Got Amnesia But Didn't Forget The Red Dragon

@carcass Merry Christmas and hoping your New Year is green and plentiful!
www.420magazine.com
 
MrSauga said:
Thanks West for the tag. Do any of these ones ring a bell? I think the first one, the link to my thread, may be the one you are referring to. I'll remove the ones that you didn't pick :).

Sauga's Got Amnesia But Didn't Forget The Red Dragon

@carcass Merry Christmas and hoping your New Year is green and plentiful!
www.420magazine.com

Pretty sure it's not the one below.
Click to expand...
EDIT it is the top one and it worked it shows the calmag useable above 5.8 . I used it on the last grow and it worked fine . Just got tired of fighting the ph . The old batches of MC was fine with the ph , these guys growing around me here are still having the ph rise that are using my MC once past four grams in DWC . Thanks for the shout back .
 
Thank you @West Hippie @MrSauga stopping by. great chart


ph dropped again but only to 5.8 ,She has taken in 10 ppm and Drank the most yet. Lets say 3 liters

This could be the turn (if it is I have learned something about roots)

If not the sunflower outside gets another tote.

I have ph'd up again to 6.2 and installed the net.

It will streach yes, but should I not weave her around to fill it up , then 12/12 ?

405 ppm
6.2 ph
75 water temp


.

EB24863D-35F2-4B37-AF9C-04E0E43F96D6.jpeg
 
Back
Top Bottom