1. I'm planning on putting the soil in 5ga fabric pots on top of the perlite. Two reasons for this are more "blacking out" of light from the white bucket, and I'm thinking it will allow a touch more air down the sides of the bucket. Eh?
Sounds good, I do the same quite often. I have a couple "7 gallon" soft pots (in quotes because they take more soil than my '10 gallon' soft pots so, w.t.f.k.'s!) that have one of those velcro-fastened 'root' windows you can open, supposed to be for harvesting potatoes, or something with root veg, that slips into my 5 gallon pails exquisitely and because its taller actually increases my soil capacity. I think it's a good call and I would do it in every pot of I had the option. I do use softppots in my 27 gal tote SIPs, two 10 gal Geo Pots side by side, it keeps aeration up and competition between plants down.
2. Toying with the idea of creating a layer of soil in the bottom of the fabric pot, using fox farms ocean forest which I guess is a little more nutrient rich than happy frog? When I transplant in and the roots do make it to the bottom, hoping they'll be a little happier out of the gate with that extra food. Eh?
I think it's an idea with merit. However, I can't recall how you were planning to answer the fertility question generally; are you fertigating (ie adding fertilizer mixed with water to the reservoir)? If so we need to consider that there is a threat of, over time, due to the passive nature of the system and conditions remaining the same for a long time, a toxicity/lockout taking place.

I use peat/perlite (promix or SS#4) which is prone to this issue due to its cation exchange rate however it comes very well buffered by the manufacturer and this appears to be critical. I also fertilize at a low rate, about 1.0 EC with excellent results, and I think @Buds Buddy is mixing much higher and using soils more similar to your own than mine - but the facts of the matter are that while we are not necessarily breaking new ground here, we do not have hard and fast, fact-backed answers with reams and reams of empirical data to back up every suggestion being made for SIPs currently.

I build in some fudge factors when operating in areas that have this 'lack of clarity'. In this case, thinking about the fact that this zone at the bottom of the planter is the same zone where this issue with too much nutrient is most likely to happen, or begin, and while the plants will surely experience a nice boost from the surprise Daddy and Mommy have buried at the bottom of the planter, I wouldn't want it in any way to lead to a negative development, long-term. I don't feel qualified to make a determination, I'm afraid, only to raise a note of caution.

Perhaps you could create vertical, "spikes" of spicy-dirt. When you fill the container put in place some vertically oriented object like a 500ml Coke bottle, or something, that you can then fill with the spicy-dirt, which the roots will find as they move outward, but by the time they get there the plant will be mature enough to make the most of what's there, yet you will have avoided causing a long-term issue.

However, I must stress that I have no idea whether a long-term issue is likely or even possible in this case. Lastly, my warnings here are applicable only if fertigating, that is, adding fertilizer mixed with water in the reservoir - a practice that is perfectly doable and will outperform other traditional grow methods but needs to be appreciated as having this potential. A mid-grow flush is an excellent prophylactic course of action, btw, even if I personally don't yet practise it.
 
@goowa so it would be:

perlite in net cup
then a weed cloth on bottom of bucket planter
then a layer of perlite
then the softpot on top
then soil in soft pot?

Sounds good, honestly, I would lose the weed fabric in this instance as it seems to me it will slow the air gap's gasses from entering the soil above and provide little to no value given the projected setup. I'd also rather have the perlite in the cup directly interfacing with the perlite at the planter-bottom.

Make sure your black-out rises up to cover the perlite base. The perlite, given its reflectivity surface area and potential oxygen content, grows 'sea-moss' if you merely look at it the wrong way.

Stay in touch and help us learn!
 
Hard but possible… Blue buttons are nice.

I’m currently using a 100ml syringe on my Solo Sip right now. She was taking loads before but I think we’ve had some stall since the light change. Shae was only drinking 60ml max for a week.

However, today she had about 120ml (80ml res)

She was a bit droopy, lights out but dead dry earlier which I think explains that yellow low down that has appeared in the last 24 hours. (Always a deficiency for me) She’s due a chop anyway 🤷🏽

Maybe a cheeky top water in the morning.

Nick

A cup-holder... bwaah-ha-ha-ha! Awesome, Nick, you slay me.
 
I think @Buds Buddy is mixing much higher and using soils more similar to your own than mine
I use FFOF from start to finish. 3 parts soil & 1 part perlite mixed. I'm using Flora Bloom, Natures Nectar Nitrogen & Alchemist Stout Mono Silicic Acid (a type of Silica) for nutes. I use the Bloom for the whole grow. Don't use the Veg at all. I use Nutrient Calculations provided by @InTheShed.
 
A cup-holder... bwaah-ha-ha-ha! Awesome, Nick, you slay me.
On a microphone stand that I bought for something else grow room related 😅

She’s looking a bit bare at the moment. Defoliated a bit today. Reckon she might get some more.

Nick

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Quick Garden Photo Update



I started a DWC run to overcome my boredom with SIP. The Sip crew intentionally short vegged to 3 weeks. We have height restrictions.

Full sails to all you :cool:
 
Speaking of SIPs-

My 3 gallon air chamber type SIP got harvested 10 days ago, and now that the pot is dried out a bit, I figured I'd have a peek at the roots on the Amnesia Haze...

Here's what she looked like after 93 days in her little SIP...(grown with Grow Dots and Purpinator)
She developed a bit of bud rot, so she had to go about 4 days ahead of schedule..
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With most of the fan leaves removed...(this was 10 days ago)
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And, today...
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I cut the zip tie on the fill tube, and she lifted right out.
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The black residue is from the Real Growers Recharge....I don't know if the RGR helped anything or not
but it goes with the Grow Dots, so I used it once every week..(it didn't hurt anything either)
I was surprised I didn't find a critter or 2 in there.. at times, the rez was a bit stinky.....😄
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Only about 20 roots grew down through the collander, and they were coated with the RGR also, as was the collander
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Mostly just small roots above the air chamber..
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It's hard to tell, but she had a lot of small roots about an inch below the surface, not much from there up, though...
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No actual taproot on this one, just a lot of fairly "big" roots..
she was started in a solo cup SIP, maybe she figured a taproot wasn't necessary...
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And here she is today-...not real bad for a 17" plant.
5 ounces of weed from a $2 SIP!
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And that's it for that one!
I really enjoy growing in a SIP, so that's how I'll do it from now on!
Thanks again, @Azimuth , for getting me started with the SIPs!
 
Thanks, Shed!
Looks like there are still undissolved Dots in there. Maybe you can send them back to the manufacturer for a refund!
Or just rinse them off and use them again... 🤪
...maybe they release their nutes, and just stay in place?

I thought they dissolved- although with no runoff to wash them out, it looks like maybe they don't..:hmmmm:
 
Congrats, @Carcass . :welldone: Pleased to hear you were happy with it.

How far down into the colander does your fill pipe go? Looks like several inches but that may just be how it's hanging after the rootopsy. I like mine to stop right after entering the chamber to ensure there's always air even when the res is full. I thought you had done it that way but the pic looks different.

Anything you learned during the grow that you'll change up for next time?

#SIPFTW
 
I like mine to stop right after entering the chamber to ensure there's always air even when the res is full.


There are other ways to do it, though. @ReservoirDog likes his pipes to go all the way to the bottom in his SIPs. He drills holes all along the fill tube, but at least at the air chamber level, to accomplish a similar outcome.
 
Thank You, Azi!
How far down into the colander does your fill pipe go?
Initially, it was going to stop where it went through the collander...but instead, I let the tube rest on the bottom, and drilled holes in it to assure the air can get in..Your way is better, and that's how I'll do it next time.
It looks like the holes could potentially get plugged with residue the way I did it....
Anything you learned during the grow that you'll change up for next time?
That fill pipe thing is something I'll do differently- everything else seemed to go pretty smoothly..
:high-five:
👍
He drills holes all along the fill tube,
That's what I did, but my holes should of been bigger...
Although, it seemed to work just fine...this time..
I clogged the fill pipe up with mosquito bits…
I mix up a quart of "dunk water" -1/4 dunk in 1qt. water -so it's super concentrated, that's enough dunk for 25 gallons- then add 20ml to the feed water every watering...that way, there's no solids being introduced into the rez.

The stuff in the jar stinks a bit after a week or so...I like to think that that means it's working..:)
 
Initially, it was going to stop where it went through the collander...but instead, I let the tube rest on the bottom, and drilled holes in it to assure the air can get in..Your way is better, and that's how I'll do it next time.
I make mine stop with a bit of a collar. I cut a short section off the pipe and re-attach it with a pvc coupling. The hole is just large enough to allow the pipe to slide through so the coupling sits outside and rests on the plastic around the hole. There's just a little stub piece that goes through, just enough for a solid connection.
 
I make mine stop with a bit of a collar
Thanks, Azi!
Do you glue it in place? (the tube)
Or does the soil hold it in place?
I ask because the hot glue didn't work worth a shit on mine, so it might've been good that it rested on the bottom...without the collar, it would've slid right down into the abyss... :)
 
Sounds good, I do the same quite often. I have a couple "7 gallon" soft pots (in quotes because they take more soil than my '10 gallon' soft pots so, w.t.f.k.'s!) that have one of those velcro-fastened 'root' windows you can open, supposed to be for harvesting potatoes, or something with root veg, that slips into my 5 gallon pails exquisitely and because its taller actually increases my soil capacity. I think it's a good call and I would do it in every pot of I had the option. I do use softppots in my 27 gal tote SIPs, two 10 gal Geo Pots side by side, it keeps aeration up and competition between plants down.
Ok great, onward with the soft pot!
I think it's an idea with merit. However, I can't recall how you were planning to answer the fertility question generally; are you fertigating (ie adding fertilizer mixed with water to the reservoir)? If so we need to consider that there is a threat of, over time, due to the passive nature of the system and conditions remaining the same for a long time, a toxicity/lockout taking place.
No I'm not going to fertigate, only going to be top dressing every once in a while and maybe throwing compost tea over it. Jury's out on that but I do want to play with making teas for the vegetables anyway.
surprise Daddy and Mommy have buried at the bottom of the planter

Perhaps you could create vertical, "spikes" of spicy-dirt.
These two lines had me giggling
Spicy dirt! Haha! I would have to get a bunch of paper towel rolls and fill them that way I think. 🤔
However, I must stress that I have no idea whether a long-term issue is likely or even possible in this case. Lastly, my warnings here are applicable only if fertigating, that is, adding fertilizer mixed with water in the reservoir - a practice that is perfectly doable and will outperform other traditional grow methods but needs to be appreciated as having this potential. A mid-grow flush is an excellent prophylactic course of action, btw, even if I personally don't yet practise it.
Yea I appreciate the insight. Maybe I'll do another grow with nutrients in the tank like that, but this one I'm trying to stick to letting the soil and the plant do the work together. As much as possible anyway heh.
 
@goowa so it would be:

perlite in net cup
then a weed cloth on bottom of bucket planter
then a layer of perlite
then the softpot on top
then soil in soft pot?
Almost:
Weed fabric in net cup and across bottom of inside bucket
Perlite in weed fabric "cup" (washed and soaked and packed down good)
then a layer of perlite (which I'm now sold on striking based on your feedback)
then the softpot on top
then soil in soft pot
Sounds good, honestly, I would lose the weed fabric in this instance as it seems to me it will slow the air gap's gasses from entering the soil above and provide little to no value given the projected setup. I'd also rather have the perlite in the cup directly interfacing with the perlite at the planter-bottom.
Maybe just put the weed fabric in the net cup then? I see the point of blocking the holes in the bottom for air flow from the magical air gap.
Make sure your black-out rises up to cover the perlite base. The perlite, given its reflectivity surface area and potential oxygen content, grows 'sea-moss' if you merely look at it the wrong way.

Stay in touch and help us learn!
Thinking about just striking the perlite base altogether, but the bottom of the bucket is about an inch below the blackout.

Definitely going to keep throwing my grow in the thread. Here are the girls in their solo-sips today.

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