Damn Will I didn't know you were SIPping outside! You got a journal I could follow?

Definitely not. The sun moves across the sky and there are no buds on your plant that aren't getting light at least some of the time.

Also, it's not a very dense plant so it can use every leaf it's got!
Hey Shed! Thanks for your response. I’m doing mostly a hybrid. Plants outside from 6am-4:30pm, then to the tent for some additional light until about 10:30pm. This system worked well until I got a big auto in a 5 gal SIP! Moving her twice a day is certainly extra exercise! Lol.
I agree. She does get sunlight from all angles. I won’t mess with her.
 
Looking good, Will! :thumb: Maybe there is something to these SIP pots after all. :laughtwo:


Ah, the big defoliating question. Some growers swear by it saying it encourages the plant to repair the small stresses from it and makes for a heartier plant. Others say the leaves are like solar panels and the plant has them there for a reason so leave them all on.

In your case, I agree with Shed in that, because you are growing outdoors and the sun moves across the sky, all parts of your plant get access to the sun and you don't have tons of leaves to spare, so I'd leave it.
Thanks Azimuth! Yep…she certainly could use all the leaves she has! Not touching her!
 
Hey Shed! Thanks for your response. I’m doing mostly a hybrid. Plants outside from 6am-4:30pm, then to the tent for some additional light until about 10:30pm. This system worked well until I got a big auto in a 5 gal SIP! Moving her twice a day is certainly extra exercise! Lol.
I agree. She does get sunlight from all angles. I won’t mess with her.
I forgot to mention … no journal. I’ve been too intimidated to start one. I’m posting a few updates on here for the SIP grow, but will for sure do a journal for my next SIP. Thanks for asking!
 
Working on that now. It didn't work for me when I had hydroton clay balls at the reservoir level which held up the soil keeping it out of the reservoir. I am hoping that with my organic soil now down at the reservoir level that the microbes would also be present and maybe they were the missing link.

Don't really know, but I am optimistic.
Thanks, it will be good to hear how your experiment goes. (I also am optimistic, because you know how to work around.)
 
Hey Shed! Thanks for your response. I’m doing mostly a hybrid. Plants outside from 6am-4:30pm, then to the tent for some additional light until about 10:30pm. This system worked well until I got a big auto in a 5 gal SIP! Moving her twice a day is certainly extra exercise! Lol.
I agree. She does get sunlight from all angles. I won’t mess with her.
That's exactly how I've grown since 2017 (not at 6am though!), with twice daily schlepping. I was thinking of going with a SIP next spring so I'll look for your updates.
 
I know hydro has a very observable difference in bud size and width vs soil but would you say that also comes to smell taste & terpenes?
I'm just trying to figure out if it's the light or the growing method... I'm thinking growing method as if you create hulk buds that have been fed nutes all the time, well the trichomes were mega sized as well with fat droplets, resulting in way more fragrant and tasteful buds I'd say.
So if the sips hulks up the buds as well I'm expecting good things.
The other possibility is HPS creates better tasting and smelling bud..
 
I'm looking forward to one day joining the SIP club! :tommy:
"Today's the day!" - Mel Fisher, famous treasure hunter

Why not start with a single container? Could even be a houseplant if we haven't convinced you that there's very little risk in trying one of these things on your girls. I still have yet to hear of anyone who's tried SIP regret the decision. I know I'll likely never go back to a standard pot.

What's your hesitation?
 
Thanks, it will be good to hear how your experiment goes. (I also am optimistic, because you know how to work around.)
I see two potential issues.

First is a possible smell from having my organic soil mix sitting submerged in water and potentially rotting in an anaerobic way. My first try at this is about 3-4 weeks old and so far, no issues with that.

The second is that the nutes might simply be ineffective when added to the reservoir. That was my experience with my old style pots where I had hydroton clay balls holding the soil up and out of the reservoir level. I'm surmising that it was because the soil microbes that are an important element in an organic grow did not populate the reservoir level with just water in it.

My nutes are KNF and Jadam extracts which are predigested by microbes as part of the extract process so I figured I wouldn't need microbes to actually deliver the nutes, but rather they would be treated more like bottled nutes in that the plants would take them up in the process of drinking. But that didn't turn out to be the case. Even my fish extract, which I consider to be my most powerful option, was ineffective at reversing a nitrogen deficiency when fed through the reservoir.

But now with my new pot structure that has soil all the way down to the bottom level, I'm hoping the microbes down there process things as they do in a normal pot, and I've begun to feed that way starting last week. I won't know for a while, however, since my normal mix seems to power the plant just fine with simply water for about 6 weeks before deficiencies show up, and by that time I've generally flipped to flower.

My first plant with the new pot setup, a Northen Lights 5, is still a couple of weeks away from flip, and then it would be a couple of more weeks before I would generally see a P deficiency as I am on my current plant in flower, so it'll likely be into the new year before I'll have a better idea.
 
I know hydro has a very observable difference in bud size and width vs soil but would you say that also comes to smell taste & terpenes?
I'm just trying to figure out if it's the light or the growing method... I'm thinking growing method as if you create hulk buds that have been fed nutes all the time, well the trichomes were mega sized as well with fat droplets, resulting in way more fragrant and tasteful buds I'd say.
So if the sips hulks up the buds as well I'm expecting good things.
The other possibility is HPS creates better tasting and smelling bud..
@Fenderbender , if you prefer coco, is it possible to put coco in a SIP?
 
The second is that the nutes might simply be ineffective when added to the reservoir. That was my experience with my old style pots where I had hydroton clay balls holding the soil up and out of the reservoir level. I'm surmising that it was because the soil microbes that are an important element in an organic grow did not populate the reservoir level with just water in it.
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"Ahhhh!! NOW I understand!...."
Gracias por explicar.
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I learned so much from The Rev! It was his book that inspired me to get off the fence and finally go organic. Before reading that book, I just couldn't seem to get enough info to feel comfortable about making the leap, even after reading Teaming with Microbes... it just seemed too complicated. Rev put things in common sense terms and showed step by step what to do and why.
This right here is exactly what happened to me. Gee mentioned TLO, I got the 1st edition and it was like a brain bomb went off and it all made sense. I immediately followed it with teaming with microbes, then nutrients, then fungi and it all just clicked into place like puzzle pieces. My wife bought me teaming with bacteria and TLO 2nd edition for Christmas since neither one has an ebook and is only available on paper.

The only issue though was, it all made me really angry. It made me angry with fertilizer industries, public education, everything. I felt lied to and misled, like I was learning some sort of forbidden knowledge that billion dollar forces wanted to ensure I never saw. It has taught me though to view the world in a completely different, more sustainable and harmonized way.
 
Hey Hash,

Welcome to The Club!

So you're using organic nutes in straight perlite?
Thanks Azimuth. That's just Black Gold Organic out of the bag with some organic nutes in the pot.
If you're referring to the white on top, it's Growstone Gnatnix in paint strainer bags. It's worked good so far to keep gnats in check and to lift up easy to topdress.
I used to use about an inch and then mix it in with the soil when done like perlite.
They stopped making it so I made the sacs from what I had left.
I'm now using Pittmoss the same way and so far so good.

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"Today's the day!" - Mel Fisher, famous treasure hunter

Why not start with a single container? Could even be a houseplant if we haven't convinced you that there's very little risk in trying one of these things on your girls. I still have yet to hear of anyone who's tried SIP regret the decision. I know I'll likely never go back to a standard pot.

What's your hesitation?
Oh man, I've got cloning to do, potting, up potting, moving 3 plants to the flower house, clearing weeds and weed trees around the flower house. The seedlings are all looking a bit frail... not enough sun lately. Hopefully we'll get a dry spell soon. 🌞 And then there's all the other projects I have backed up... lots of carpentry work to do.
 
@Fenderbender , if you prefer coco, is it possible to put coco in a SIP?
hmm I don't know, I've never grown in coco.. the best result I've had in a tent was with a GHE Aquafarm that's big box full of hydro pebbles and a big reservoir below....the top box had a pump which sputters water droplets all the time but the roots grew on mass into the reservoir as well so that had a second pump and airstone.. and that created two root systems as the box was full of roots between the pebbles and like a jellyfish another massive rootmass grew in the nutrients, well over 6,5' of roots for a 2,5foot ish scrogged plant.. and just incredible big buds.. now the top of my buds end like the eraser on the back of the pencil.. same strain in that setup the tops of the buds were like a coin big flat wide and only grew wider just very round and fat, and I remember even the trichomes being very clear to see as they were big droplets on top of the stalks..

And I always look at the hydro gear as I still have the GHE and I often think, yeah damn.. is should use that.. as those results were phenomenal.. and it's pretty clean without the soil.. but oh all the hassle, and measuring, and checking as there's no ah we will see how it goes, maybe it's nothing or it will balance itself out, if it's off things can go bad fast.

Anyhow I went back to soil as it's the least hassle method.. as I have it down to well you have to water them.. in the beginning hardly at all.. then twice a week.. might get to three times a week if they are very thirsty.. but overal.. over the course of 14-15 weeks from seed to flower.. I haven't had to water them that much at all.. yeah couple of weeks when they are flowering but that's not a bother I'd say.

Again can't wait for trying my watering pot.. cause now the plant & system will literally tell me.. hey we want more! and it's a pretty big reservoir so I'll just have to fill it up a couple of times over the whole lifespan..
I went with Plagron soil & pebbles again as well that's the only soil around here I can get that's geared towards canna at a reasonable price.. regular gardencentre soil does work well as well, although I did use something a couple of grows ago that differed from regular potting soil and that the plant did not like at all.
But Plagron worked great with the current grow so..

The only thing I fear is a very mucked up reservoir after the grow.. but it looks like I can screw it open to clean it out inside phew. As those biocanna nutes I'm using I've seen it in the bucket they leave a thick residue.. also would these be ideal for the system.. wouldn't hydro nutes work? as the rootsystem that taps the water basically is in a hydro environment as it's the water channel and hydropebbles..
Hydro nutes leave more of a crystal salt residue but these biocanna nutes well they are thicc molasses and they leave this film.. which makes me wonder how much stays dissolved if you pour them in a reservoir??? as when I pour them in a bucket stir them up and leave them I can clearly see things settling again after already a short amount of time.. i dunno what they put in there.. bunch of algae or fishbone?.. so I don't know if that's ideal.

well I guess I'm all about to find out :p
 
So with a SIPS system is there a cycle to the soil at all or does the soil stay exactly the same constantly when it comes to the amount of water in it? I was wondering if there was certain times of day or in certain stages when the plant would pull more water in than other times. Has anyone charted their reservoir levels on an hourly/daily/weekly usage? Also does the pot weight flucuate, as in some days when the reservoir is full is the pot heavier than other days when its full? Does the pot get heavier or lighter when myco is added? that sort of thing? Also from totally dry and almost wilted to a full reservoir and fully saturated a weight difference to see exactly how much water is held?
 
I know I'm going to cover the top soil against evaporation.. I'm thinking the roots stay moist as per uptake so that will keep the rooted soil somewhat balanced at a low level?

I'm thinking once the roots tapped it doesn't matter that much.. my friend has a water vein under his plants in his garden..he hardly top feeds only during droughty times as the plants tap into that and just grow grow grow..

Ah that's the other thing does one keep the reservoir topped up? as in oh it's low better fill it up again? or does one let it run dry.. they are not getting anything new until they finished their plate?
 
I know I'm going to cover the top soil against evaporation.. I'm thinking the roots stay moist as per uptake so that will keep the rooted soil somewhat balanced at a low level?

I'm thinking once the roots tapped it doesn't matter that much.. my friend has a water vein under his plants in his garden..he hardly top feeds only during droughty times as the plants tap into that and just grow grow grow..

Ah that's the other thing does one keep the reservoir topped up? as in oh it's low better fill it up again? or does one let it run dry.. they are not getting anything new until they finished their plate?
Hi @Gee64 , @Fenderbender , I am kind of jumping in after a long break.
For me, when the rez is full, the soil is damp to the top.
When the rez is down some, the soil is damp to within an inch of the top.
For popping seeds, if the rez is full, I am not sure it needs top-watering, frankly. So I just baaarely mist it, just to keep it moist.
I hope that helps in some way. Happy growing!
 
Hey Azi, I am running all around here.
Your thread has grown quite long, with excellent content! :nicethread:

Sorry, did anyone follow up with the poster who said he was getting great results just by drilling holes in the sides of the pot, and sitting the pot in a dish of water?
The light bulb just came on--how do we explain his success if there is no air gap?? :hmmmm::hmmmm::hmmmm:
 
Oddly enough, even just sitting in a deep (ish) pan of water can give SIP results. To recap, had a 5 gal rig, standard config, drain holes bored in the bottom, layer of gravel, fill w/ soil. add plant. After one plant died, I repotted her using the soil from dead plant's bucket to give this one more root space... (and had issues - see link "What a disaster!") At any rate, few weeks after THAT, decided to try a hybrid SIP conversion - basically, just bored "Breathing Holes" around the pot about 3 - 4 in up (the same 3/16 or what ever size bit I'm using for all the small holes) plopped it in a deep pan, filled it up. She took OFF. Today, after 4th week of bloom she's drinking 3 - 4 L / day (turns out she has help, cat likes her water better than his...) is roughly 4x4 and freaking COVERED with colas up to 9"...
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More training for Goldie

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Goldie, Exploding

In just 3 days, noticably taller, fuller...

And today, 5 weeks from flip, 4 weeks into bloom...


There... THIS one!
Hi @Pete Detroit !
Sorry to be gone and then pop back in!
Do we know why your plants grow so well ("SIP-like") even when there is no air gap?
(If you already covered this in my absence, please just point me at it!)
Thank you!!
I hope we can figure out why your "llama holes and dish" method seems to work so well!
Happy toking!
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