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[GratefulBud]

The ideal time to up-pot is when the plant can drain your last full watering in a single day. That will mean the roots have filled the pot with a root ball and will make for a stronger plant later on in flower. Then, if there is another planned up-pot, you wait for the roots to drain the last full watering in this new larger pot in a day again.

Hi Azimuth!

Can you elaborate on that a bit?
How do you tell?

Thanks!

 

[7Dust2]

Kinda look like zinc. But more likely it's calMag I would add little of both.

 

[7Dust2]

Ok guys I need a bit of help. Is this cal/mag deficiency or something else? It’s only on my Pineapple Express auto not the blue dream.

Magnesium deffiencey. U can tell. Anytime that tip is like that on the left. 9-10 calmag zinc would be in middle of leaf no tip burn but could be both zinc and CalMag .

 

[7Dust2]

Here ya go. Store these around if you don't have them.

 

[Lisa2265]

Very informative! Thank u. I will sort it out tomorrow when I can actually get some products

 

[7Dust2]

Very informative! Thank u. I will sort it out tomorrow when I can actually get some products

Now top pic. 9-10 times it will start where it's on pic. Now got to think that always to figure out things. Where it is. Where did it start so fort. Alot people just see and throw sht to the plant and 75 % time are wrong and do more harm than good

 

[Lisa2265]

That’s why I asked my fine friends I have here.

 

[7Dust2]

Got to read tops of the diagram. Mobile and non mobile deffiencey. And where it is. Some deff are located in certain part of plant. Some all over got any questions halla.

 

[7Dust2]

That’s why I asked my fine friends I have here.

Yep but be careful too. It's not their plant . Remember that. Also. Hate to be neg. But it's trueth. Seen so many give wrong stuff or chemical that has more chems than what they need and burn plant anyway . Make sht worse. Then they fighting 3 deffiencey than just that one

 

[Azimuth]

Hi Azimuth!

Can you elaborate on that a bit?
How do you tell?

Thanks!

Certainly. And this goes for soil grows. Coco is a whole different and is more like a hydro medium.

Plants that can drain the water from a full watering in a day and need another watering the next day or they start to droop, have filled the container with a root ball and need to be up-potted or the plant will begin to struggle. However, if you put a small plant in a large container and then fully water that big container, the water will overwhelm the roots and they will not be able to keep up with the lake they are sitting in. Eventually they will begin to rot and the plant will die.

With auto's the advice is often given to plant the seed right into its final pot, sometimes a 5 or 7 gallon or more. But it takes an experienced gardener to know how to provide just enough water for the plant in that large container. So, it is often much better to up-pot a couple of times from smaller containers where it is easier to not provide too much water than it is to know how much water to provide the plant that is enough for growth but not too much which leads to root rot.

In soil, plants need three basic things, water, air and nutrients and they can take these in by both the foliage and the roots, but they do so mostly by the roots.

Roots can form in three different types; air, water, and soil. Each look very different and provide different functions for the plant. Most of us soil growers are developing soil based roots and roots grow best when the soil is on the drier side as they go searching for water. In fact they mostly grow when they need to look for water because the local soil has dried out.

If you keep your soil wet then they have all the water they need right at their feet they get lazy and don't grow much and you really want lots of roots when you get to flower so that you can shove a lot of water and flowering nutrients at them to try to maximize your harvest.

And if you keep the roots too wet early in their life they begin to rot and you get weird growth on the leaves and funky colors that look like deficiencies. Because that's what they are. The plant is not getting enough nitrogen or calcium or whatever, not because it's not in the soil, but because the roots have rotted and are no longer able to supply them to the plant.

So, the roots need to dry out and get a nice shot of oxygen periodically, and since the water fills all the voids in the soil when you water, it displaces the oxygen. That's why, especially on small plants that haven't developed good root structure, you'll sometimes see the plants droop right after you water.

There are many ways to tell if the soil has dried out. Some use the "knuckle test" where they shove a finger in the soil and if it is dry to the touch when their finger is down a knuckle or two they deem it dry. Unfortunately, that doesn't tell you the conditions down near the deep roots and the soil there could still be quite wet.

The best way is by weight. An easy way to do that is to load a pot similar to that in which you are growing with your regular soil mix but don't water it. Then pick it up and feel the weight. Then, compare a pot with your plant in it and when it feels roughly the same in weight you can be confident most of the water has been used. Basically, the pot should feel surprisingly light to you when you pick it up.

You can also use a moisture meter with probes long enough to reach the bottom of your pot. But with those you're looking for extremes, wet and dry. The moist reading doesn't tell you much.

@Emilya has an excellent thread on watering in which she details a watering technique she developed to ensure her plants develop great root structures and it is well worth the read.

 

[7Dust2]

Certainly. And this goes for soil grows. Coco is a whole different and is more like a hydro medium.

Plants that can drain the water from a full watering in a day and need another watering the next day or they start to droop, have filled the container with a root ball and need to be up-potted or the plant will begin to struggle. However, if you put a small plant in a large container and then fully water that big container, the water will overwhelm the roots and they will not be able to keep up with the lake they are sitting in. Eventually they will begin to rot and the plant will die.

With auto's the advice is often given to plant the seed right into its final pot, sometimes a 5 or 7 gallon or more. But it takes an experienced gardener to know how to provide just enough water for the plant in that large container. So, it is often much better to up-pot a couple of times from smaller containers where it is easier to not provide too much water than it is to know how much water to provide the plant that is enough for growth but not too much which leads to root rot.

In soil, plants need three basic things, water, air and nutrients and they can take these in by both the foliage and the roots, but they do so mostly by the roots.

Roots can form in three different types; air water and soil. Each look very different and provide different functions for the plant. Most of us soil growers are developing soil based roots and they grow best when the soil is on the drier side as they go searching for water. In fact they mostly grow when they need to look for water because the local soil has dried out.

If you keep your soil wet then they have all the water they need right at their feet they get lazy and don't grow much and you really want lots of roots when you get to flower so that you can shove a lot of water and flowering nutrients at them to try to maximize your harvest.

And if you keep the roots too wet early in their life they begin to rot and you get weird growth on the leaves and funky colors that look like deficiencies. Because that's what they are. The plant is not getting enough nitrogen or calcium or whatever, not because it's not in the soil, but because the roots have rotted and are no longer supplying them to the plant.

So, the roots need to dry out and get a nice shot of oxygen periodically, and since the water fills all the voids in the soil when you water, it displaces the oxygen. That's why, especially on small plants that haven't developed good root structure, you'll sometimes see the plants droop right after you water.

There are many ways to tell if the soil has dried out. Some use the "knuckle test" where they shove a finger in the soil and if it is dry to the touch when their finger is down a knuckle or two they deem it dry. Unfortunately, that doesn't tell you the conditions down near the deep roots and the soil there could still be wet.

The best way is by weight. An easy way to do that is to load a pot similar to that in which you are growing with your regular soil mix but don't water it. Then pick it up and feel the weight. Then, compare a pot with your plant in it and when it feels roughly the same in weight you can be confident most of the water has been used. Basically, the pot should feel surprisingly light to you when you pick it up.

You can also use a moisture meter with probes long enough to reach the bottom of your pot. But with those you're looking for extremes, wet and dry. The moist reading doesn't tell you much.

@Emilya has an excellent thread on watering in which she details a watering technique she developed to ensure her plants develop great rood structures and it is well worth the read.

I water every two to three days right now. I can stick my finger in the dirt tell the moisture. It soaks up. Don't run thru it . Only about 25% does. It soaks up much as it can and rest drops out bottom. And top can be dry and bottom be soaked. That why u pick it up feels heavy then all water at bottom. Then next day feel it again. Still feels little heavy go another day or 12 hrs . Over watering can cause drop. Dark hours they will drop. When u see the leaves drop and weight of pot is light. Feels empty . Add alittle water . I add. About 1 cup full. Then next day give little bit more. And I find a happy medium. And I go thru steps again. But I'm constantly moving pots to get more light and feeling the weight looking at them. Soon u will be able to tell when they need water way before they need water..

 

[GratefulBud]

Certainly. And this goes for soil grows. Coco is a whole different and is more like a hydro medium.

Plants that can drain the water from a full watering in a day and need another watering the next day or they start to droop, have filled the container with a root ball and need to be up-potted or the plant will begin to struggle. However, if you put a small plant in a large container and then fully water that big container, the water will overwhelm the roots and they will not be able to keep up with the lake they are sitting in. Eventually they will begin to rot and the plant will die.

With auto's the advice is often given to plant the seed right into its final pot, sometimes a 5 or 7 gallon or more. But it takes an experienced gardener to know how to provide just enough water for the plant in that large container. So, it is often much better to up-pot a couple of times from smaller containers where it is easier to not provide too much water than it is to know how much water to provide the plant that is enough for growth but not too much which leads to root rot.

In soil, plants need three basic things, water, air and nutrients and they can take these in by both the foliage and the roots, but they do so mostly by the roots.

Roots can form in three different types; air, water, and soil. Each look very different and provide different functions for the plant. Most of us soil growers are developing soil based roots and roots grow best when the soil is on the drier side as they go searching for water. In fact they mostly grow when they need to look for water because the local soil has dried out.

If you keep your soil wet then they have all the water they need right at their feet they get lazy and don't grow much and you really want lots of roots when you get to flower so that you can shove a lot of water and flowering nutrients at them to try to maximize your harvest.

And if you keep the roots too wet early in their life they begin to rot and you get weird growth on the leaves and funky colors that look like deficiencies. Because that's what they are. The plant is not getting enough nitrogen or calcium or whatever, not because it's not in the soil, but because the roots have rotted and are no longer able to supply them to the plant.

So, the roots need to dry out and get a nice shot of oxygen periodically, and since the water fills all the voids in the soil when you water, it displaces the oxygen. That's why, especially on small plants that haven't developed good root structure, you'll sometimes see the plants droop right after you water.

There are many ways to tell if the soil has dried out. Some use the "knuckle test" where they shove a finger in the soil and if it is dry to the touch when their finger is down a knuckle or two they deem it dry. Unfortunately, that doesn't tell you the conditions down near the deep roots and the soil there could still be quite wet.

The best way is by weight. An easy way to do that is to load a pot similar to that in which you are growing with your regular soil mix but don't water it. Then pick it up and feel the weight. Then, compare a pot with your plant in it and when it feels roughly the same in weight you can be confident most of the water has been used. Basically, the pot should feel surprisingly light to you when you pick it up.

You can also use a moisture meter with probes long enough to reach the bottom of your pot. But with those you're looking for extremes, wet and dry. The moist reading doesn't tell you much.

@Emilya has an excellent thread on watering in which she details a watering technique she developed to ensure her plants develop great root structures and it is well worth the read.

Thanks for the detailed response! I appreciate it.

 

[Lisa2265]

Good day folks! Check up today. Pineapple Express definetly in flower. Drinking a gal of water a day. Blue dream not drinking as much. Not in flower yet, very bushy! I probably should start LST if not too late and my little baby GSC , we’ll she is growing like a weed.. no pun intended… so I think everything is going according to plan.

 

[Lisa2265]

Good morning peeps.. I’m not sure what I did wrong, but my Pineapple Express looks pale and leaves curling down.. looks like it needs water but have been following water schedule and she still feels a bit heavy. Maybe nitrogen? And if so what do I use to fix it fast? Thanks..

 

[Azimuth]

I've never used them but some growers use blood meal or one of the bat guano's with the high 'N' on the label. Fresh worm castings if you have them will work as well and that's what I use.

 

[Lisa2265]

I have blood meal . So should I do a top dressing of the soil?

 

[Azimuth]

Ok, so now we're beyond my pay grade and will need someone who does it that way to weigh in. If it were me, I would top dress and water it in.

But that's me.

 

[Lisa2265]

Yes and that’s what I was going to do also. But now I read that blood meal can kill a plant . Lord have mercy . Jesus has to take this wheel from me right about now!

 

[Azimuth]

What are you using for your regular nutrients?

 

[GratefulBud]

Yes and that’s what I was going to do also. But now I read that blood meal can kill a plant . Lord have mercy . Jesus has to take this wheel from me right about now!

Hi Lisa!
Post a pic or two?
If the pot is heavy might just be overwatered.