r0am1ng st0ner
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those look real nice
Sauga's Miracle On Fox Farm Street
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Captain Cannabis
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They certainly do look healthy! Very nice growth.
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Thanks Brother!
I'm lovin' it! I wonder if that's how MickeyD's came up with that slogan 
I'm really happy with the results and how they are shaping up for autos. The tent environment is perfect right now even with the HID. I'm keeping it at 65RH and 85F. I open the window for a peek and it feels like the Bahamas!
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Hey Shed,
I'm unpacking my machine after it sitting here for two weeks and had a few questions.
Do you use the SL as per mfr recommendations?
What was the best herb to butter ratio you came up with?
Do you still need to decarb dry cured weed? Can it be shake? What about the freeze dried stuff I have? Does it need to decarb and dry out too? Can you come over and make it for me as well?
Seriously, any tips would be great!
I'm guessing SL means Soy Lecithin? If so, yes and no. I use the liquid version which is tsp rather than tbsp (which is the subtitution rate the manufacturer recommends) but add it AFTER you make your oil or butter rather than before. And yes, it should be decarbed. I do 250 for an hour. I know some others are doing lower temps for longer periods. They say don't grind it, but I at least find it beneficial to tear it up rather than big whole buds.
DeanWest89
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hey man their looking good , I’ve never topped autos interesting to see, I grow them regular no topping and then bend em right down , low stress and the fill out really well, it may be worth trying one time. Can’t wait to see the final result of this journal
You should decarb the buds for pretty much all edibles & topicals. When you smoke/vape, the heat from the flame (or vape) decarbs the buds as you smoke them. Whenever you're not applying sufficient heat AND you want to convert the THC-A (non psychoactive) to THC-Delta-9 (the good stuff! 
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Originally I was going to get liquid, the website at MB said three times as messy, but couldn't figure out why. I understand the tsp equivalent as well. Does it matter if I use Sunflower Lecithin in place of Soy?
Hey Dean, thanks for stopping by. The only reason I don't LST is it's easier for me to top. Less work. I just open the centers and train the tall colas to even out with the canopy and let 'em go.
LST is great, I just never got into it myself
Welcome to my journal!
So if I had freeze dried fresh trim, do I treat it the same way? Does decarb time take longer with fresh weed as opposed to dry herb?You should decarb the buds for pretty much all edibles & topicals. When you smoke/vape, the heat from the flame (or vape) decarbs the buds as you smoke them. Whenever you're not applying sufficient heat AND you want to convert the THC-A (non psychoactive) to THC-Delta-9 (the good stuff!
You should decarb fresh buds longer, due to the higher moisture content. I don't know how much it should be extended, though, since I never use fresh buds. I normally decarb at 240* F for 60 minutes. You don't want to increase the temps since that can cause you to lose some cannabinoids & terpenes, but you may need to go another 15-30 minutes (or more?) to get close to 100% decarb.
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IYHO, would it make sense then that fresh decarbed weed would be dry once done? I believe I read it somewhere but can't find it now.
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Sorry, one more question. How much are you putting in to decarb for that amount of time?
Question: If it takes 3 minutes to boil an egg, how many minutes to boil 4 eggs?
Answer: Same 3 minutes if you boil them together in the same pot!
In other words, it doesn't really make a difference. It all needs to be exposed to the same amount of heat for the same amount of time. Just don't pack everything together so tightly so that the insides are insulated and/or can't release moisture.
I don't think it matters if it's soy or sunflower. I've done powder and liquid. To me, the liquid is not 3x messier. It's about the same consistency as honey but not as sticky. Since I'm adding after making the oil or butter, I just pour it in my measuring spoon then swirl the spoon in the warm butter/oil. The heat from the product dissolves the lectithin pretty well and it comes off the measuring spoon. Then I'll wipe whatever residue is left over off with my finger. Pretty simple. The powder/more granular product seems to absorb moisture quite easily and becomes clumpy in the jar. That's why I moved to liquid.
I agree 420% on the liquid vs. granules and also, while either are fine, I'd recommend the sunflower over the soy lecithin simply because it's almost impossible to find NON-GMO soy!
Sorry for getting here late. I'll toss in my two cents as wellHey Shed,
I'm unpacking my machine after it sitting here for two weeks and had a few questions.
Do you use the SL as per mfr recommendations?
What was the best herb to butter ratio you came up with?
Do you still need to decarb dry cured weed? Can it be shake? What about the freeze dried stuff I have? Does it need to decarb and dry out too? Can you come over and make it for me as well?
Seriously, any tips would be great!
.SL goes in after the infusion process, as tested by Cannasavvy here last year. No doubt to her results.
Herb/butter ratio is determined by the THC mg/ml butter you want to hit. This is where Oldbear's spreadsheet is invaluable.
Shake is fine, though has a slightly lower THC % and would therefore take more to hit your mg/ml target. Also, if you let the sugar leaves go further amber (because we're trained to look at calyx trichomes), your trim will have a higher CBN content as well.
I do 240º for 90 minutes because I decarb in a tin foil pouch and want to allow time for the heat to penetrate the foil.
I use 1 tsp/cup of butter, approximately because it's not easy to measure the glop.
Soy can mimic the properties of estrogen or something like that. Also the GMO issue Krip mentioned below.
Evaporation is a cooling process. I dry my fresh/frozen weed first uncovered around 190º degrees until it feels dry, then proceed with the decarb at regular temps/time.
It will be dry, but will it be decarbed? Evaporation is a cooling process.
According to my source, granules are not the same and not recommended as a replacement for liquid. That would be SweetSue's testimony.
Additionally, you should allow your finished butter to sit in the fridge overnight to allow the lecithin to encapsulate the THC.
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Thanks for taking the time to detail that out for me. I know I threw a lot at you. That is definately what I needed to know along with the previous info.Sorry for getting here late. I'll toss in my two cents as well
SL goes in after the infusion process, as tested by Cannasavvy here last year. No doubt to her results.
Herb/butter ratio is determined by the THC mg/ml butter you want to hit. This is where Oldbear's spreadsheet is invaluable.
Shake is fine, though has a slightly lower THC % and would therefore take more to hit your mg/ml target. Also, if you let the sugar leaves go further amber (because we're trained to look at calyx trichomes), your trim will have a higher CBN content as well.
I do 240º for 90 minutes because I decarb in a tin foil pouch and want to allow time for the heat to penetrate the foil.
I use 1 tsp/cup of butter, approximately because it's not easy to measure the glop.
Soy can mimic the properties of estrogen or something like that. Also the GMO issue Krip mentioned below.
Evaporation is a cooling process. I dry my fresh/frozen weed first around 190º degrees until it feels dry, then proceed with the decarb at regular temps/time.
It will be dry, but will it be decarbed? Evaporation is a cooling process.
According to my source, granules are not the same and not recommended as a replacement for liquid. That would be SweetSue's testimony.
Additionally, you should allow your finished butter to sit in the fridge overnight to allow the lecithin to encapsulate the THC.
Oldbear's spreadsheet and instructions are available via PM only if you're interested. The mods don't like when I post open links to Google docs!
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I'm waiting on the SF and the butter molds so I'll get back to you're Old Bears stuff. Of course I want to get as much out of a cookie as possible 
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OK I'll get it off you shortly. Thanks.
Or links to files on private servers for that matter...lol
I got mine computed at about 30mg per cookie. They'll get you where you want to go.I'm waiting on the SF and the butter molds so I'll get back to you're Old Bears stuff. Of course I want to get as much out of a cookie as possible