Sauga's First WW Indoor Grow, LED Style

Im with you krip. To be fair some of my girls show twisted n knarled leaves on new growth occasionally but im pretty sure its cos they grow so fast in veg with all my nutes and foliar spray that the fans grow too quickly and dont grow nice and evenly occasionally. Just a theory though tbh.
Hey Bilbo,
I actually never fed them. I think there was a feeding there once but it was so small I'm sure it did nothing. They got a compost tea mix the odd time. It wasn't until the pistils started to show that they were getting fed, with Mega Crop. Hard to overfeed it with that stuff.

Are they beggining to flower? Could just be a natural fade where they are draining the leaves to stack up bud sites. Personally id strip a lot of that undergrowth before upping the nutes. Take some affected lower growth leave it a couple days and see what happens? Just my 2 pence
I think those pics were back in mid August. I did remove some growth once I seen the pistils starting to form. It's in a stretch right now so I don't want to take anything else off until it stops.

Great looking outdoor girls!
Thanks Penny. It's taking a lot to get them back to some sort of a healthy looking plant. I'm pretty proud of myself for getting her to look this good. Good advice works wonders. :cool: :ganjamon:
 
Strain: White Widow - Quad Style
Flowering: Day 15
RH: H59% L30%
Temp: H88.5F L71.4F

A pattern I noticed with the way I have things set up is my humidity drops down to 30-35% when the girls need water. Yesterday I was at around 40%RH and the pot felt a little light. They didn't look like they needed water so I waited until tonight. So now the pots feel even lighter, the RH is at 30% and the plants are ready for a drink.

So here's some pics of Mite'y' Girl Wendy still sporting her new growth. It's still deteriorating but not nearly as fast. I gave her another good spray tonight with alcohol after not giving her any foliar spray last nite. She's really starting to gather her pistils together and starting to take shape. Nothing turning brown yet either which is great news.



Next we have Emily who's really starting to turn her sex on. A little behind Wendy as she came outdoors later, but doing sooooo much better than Wendy.




And finally the quads. The bushy one on the right is Denice, and she's been hard to keep open right from the beginning because of tighly packed small leaves. Tonight I said screw her and took control and started to pull the insides towards the outs. Now I'm understanding what to expect with growing in a tent I can do a better job with the net, earlier before flipping. It's still working fine now but I should have had it filled at least 75% before flipping.



 
So I'm officially throwing in the towel on the Mite'y' Girl. I can't win with her. Now she's shedding leaves by the handful. Seven leaves and many more starting to go. This pic will show the green fading out of all the leaves centered in the pic. In 24-48 hours they will be DEAD.

Different areas of the plant show different problems. Below is a pic of idunnowhatdafukisgoingonitus

And finally the new growth looks great, for a day. Then it turns like the leaf below it and the bad half of the finger will dissolve, so to speak, and disappear, leaving the good half of the leaf finger to thrive.

The buds are forming nice and they look fine. So I'm just going to let it go. It dies and part of me dies, but so be it. I can't keep trying to fix her and it's probably too much for me to understand what needs to be done with little experience under my belt.
 
I don't doubt what you are saying Penny, but I've been hitting her hard every day with all kinds of different strengths of sprays and can't seem to win the battle. So instead of me wasting all my negative energy on her I'm directing all my positive energy on the remaining three. If I get any bud off her I'll have to wash them real good with the mixes I see others use at harvest.
 
You couldn't have tried any harder Mr.S, some things just aren't meant to be...

I wonder if the neem oil that's available here is the real stuff? I think I'll pick some up next time I cross the border
Thanks Wookie, and that's quite a good possibilty. But each time I read about it they all recommended the 100% cold pressed stuff which is what we have. @Smeegol is one I know of that uses it. The strength was strong. It had a harsh smell on the plants and I know it did help. But I can't treat it enough to kill off the eggs and they hatch and the cycle repeats.
Again, I could be hitting them all wrong. I completely soak over/under and concentrate extra on the new growth.
 
Thanks Wookie, and that's quite a good possibilty. But each time I read about it they all recommended the 100% cold pressed stuff which is what we have. @Smeegol is one I know of that uses it. The strength was strong. It had a harsh smell on the plants and I know it did help. But I can't treat it enough to kill off the eggs and they hatch and the cycle repeats.
Again, I could be hitting them all wrong. I completely soak over/under and concentrate extra on the new growth.

Good morning mr.Sauga well at least I have some good news hopefully, out of the original banana gang experiment with 2 plants only both look to be female....haha but not a 100% sure just yet but almost sure...

I'm actually gutted about your mitey mite girl because she was the apple of your eye with all the hard work and love you showered on her but alas she was not meant to be my friend. All we can do is grow, live and learn by what went before us mr.S and I think it's the oddball out this run.

3/4 is still awsome though, if it's any condolence we having the first rain of the season and nothing beats the fresh smell of rain.........
 
And sorry mr. @Wookie0586 yes I've used the cold press Neem oil and it works very well if you are thinking of trying it.... I dilute 5ml/1lt with a drop of dish soap as well. You can also do 1 part milk to 5 parts water as well, alcohol and water solution also helps out.. You may also try hot chilies, garlic which you blitz up together and steep in hot water take the whole mixture strain and a dash of dish soap and spray away that also deters the pests.
 
Well hello fellow growers just my 2cents but I don't believe this is a pest problem , I have grown candycane , whitewidow , landrace Columbian gold , crown royal all in the same 2x4x5 tents (2 veg and 2 flower ) and have never sterilized my tent between any of the constant grows using the same 400 watt leds from mars using worm casting and coco and perilite and only 1 of my plants ever gave me real problems and that was 1 of my white widows , all of my seeds come from crop king except the Colombian gold , I believe it is a genetics thing as crop king seeds provides seeds from many different growers , being under the same breed of plant hence the different looking plants of the same type some bushier , some taller , and yet all the same type white widow or what ever .Crop king has great seeds but sometimes they are given poor genetic seeds they are a seed bank not a actual grower of male plants and no plant ever grows perfect seeds all the time , 3 out of 4 plants grew beautifully , hence this is why people are using clones more now than ever as they pick the best plant to start off with , less hassle with problems and guaranteed sex determined , believe me you did a great job with these plants , some people are born needing glasses , plants are the same not all are perfect from the get go and the problems only get worse as they get older , great grow man !!
 
Hey Mr S. Hate to hear about mitey girl! Wether she gives you a harvest or not it might be worth checking the roots out when she’s done. Not saying it’s a root issue but that can manifest as many different things. It probably is the mites and they are probably just hiding enough to continue the cycle....but your sanity has value. Lol. If it’s stressing you out then just let her do her thang and see what happens.
 
I'm actually gutted about your mitey mite girl because she was the apple of your eye with all the hard work and love you showered on her but alas she was not meant to be my friend. All we can do is grow, live and learn by what went before us mr.S and I think it's the oddball out this run.
Well Mr Smeegs you always have the right words to say when one needs to hear them. Thanks. Of course it's a new day today...and I was not born a quitter. This is what I mean by a growing roller coaster. Emotions are up one day and down the next. @NOOOBIENOT mentioned the same thing you mentioned a few posts back. Could it just be genetic? It's quite possible. I have to look at all the facts.
1) Can I see the mites? No, my 60x loupe from my understanding is not strong enough to see the microscopic broad/hemp mites. I have spent several weeks and leaves trying to see some sort of pest and I cannot. I don't want to go and buy a microscope for one plant's problems. If all four were having issues I would be all over purchasing one.
2) Are any other plants effected by the mites? All the plants grew up together inside the tent. It was half way through veg when the consensus was it had a mite problem. I immediately took her outside to isolate her from the rest and started neem treatments. No other plant has exhibited signs of mites. I actually moved her sister who was grown in the same soil, planted the same day, and has had the same love and care the oddball did. The other two plants had a different soil, so to make sure the soil was not contaminated I moved the other one out with the sick one.
She's been out there side by side for the most part but it's like night and day as far as looks go.
3) Are the new buds forming(pistils) turning brown? No, but I would think with a problem this severe in looks the bud sites would be turning brown.
4) All the new growth starts off great, and the same pattern repeats, almost always the same sides of the leaves from leaf to leaf. One finger twists one way and another twists the other. Typically the same two arms on a leaf.

So if I was to look at all the facts I would tend to lean towards a genetic issue at this point. So the dilemna I have is do I listen to my gut, who's not even had a successful grow and has no idea what a pest problem does or does not look like, and by that I mean if I could see a bug I would know that is the problem and then future grows I would know what to look for, or do I go with advice given to me from several growers who have hundreds of successful grows under thier belts and pretty much have seen everything?
I would have to listen to the pros until I had enough knowledge to make my own decision. It's a plant, and yes I may lose a few dollars for the seed and a months worth of smoke but it's not the end of the world.
This is why I have given up on her. If it is mites I will know when the buds go brown and die off. If it's genetics, well the buds are doing good now and lots coming on, so let it genetic itself to harvest.
Im sorry Mr S, im here for you buddy:Namaste:
Thanks man, sorry for the long winded speach up top.

believe me you did a great job with these plants , some people are born needing glasses , plants are the same not all are perfect from the get go and the problems only get worse as they get older , great grow man !!
Thanks for the boost of confidence Nooobie...and welcome to my journal. It's good to have you along
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Hey Mr S. Hate to hear about mitey girl! Wether she gives you a harvest or not it might be worth checking the roots out when she’s done. Not saying it’s a root issue but that can manifest as many different things. It probably is the mites and they are probably just hiding enough to continue the cycle....but your sanity has value. Lol. If it’s stressing you out then just let her do her thang and see what happens.
Great advice @Mr. Magoo, that didn't even dawn on me and I probably would have just ditched the whole fab pot roots and all. Good call bro. I will definately get pics of it.

OK any typos I apolgize, not going back through that blabber to fix'em
 
If it is mites and they are on one plant and not the others then they targeted that one for a reason. That reason is often genetics. So wether it’s growing funky because of genetics or it’s mites targeting weak genetics...signs point to the gene pool. Lol. Worth noting for future endeavors. But who knows....you may be puffing on some killer that girl gives you very soon. Lol. Never know. Are you still gonna feed her nutes and stuff?
 
Well hello fellow growers just my 2cents but I don't believe this is a pest problem , I have grown candycane , whitewidow , landrace Columbian gold , crown royal all in the same 2x4x5 tents (2 veg and 2 flower ) and have never sterilized my tent between any of the constant grows using the same 400 watt leds from mars using worm casting and coco and perilite and only 1 of my plants ever gave me real problems and that was 1 of my white widows , all of my seeds come from crop king except the Colombian gold , I believe it is a genetics thing as crop king seeds provides seeds from many different growers , being under the same breed of plant hence the different looking plants of the same type some bushier , some taller , and yet all the same type white widow or what ever .Crop king has great seeds but sometimes they are given poor genetic seeds they are a seed bank not a actual grower of male plants and no plant ever grows perfect seeds all the time , 3 out of 4 plants grew beautifully , hence this is why people are using clones more now than ever as they pick the best plant to start off with , less hassle with problems and guaranteed sex determined , believe me you did a great job with these plants , some people are born needing glasses , plants are the same not all are perfect from the get go and the problems only get worse as they get older , great grow man !!

I'm a complete noob, just doing my first grow. That said I've been researching for over a year with it becoming legal in Canada. Being a noob, I didn't want to say too much, as from all my studying, it looked so much like a pest problem with the curling, yellowing and dying leaves. But my crop king white widows have about half of the leaves on one plant (the big one) coming out curled up, see the pics. But, they straighten out as the grow?
As to some bushier and some taller, check out the last pic. These 2 have had the same soil, drank from the same glass
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and received the same love from me.
Both plants have been topped 3 times, so I should have 8 main cola's. As soon as the big one reaches the top of my home made tomato ring, I'm going to flip the switch and put some blocks under the runt to bring it up to the same height. I was blocking it before, but then decided to leave it lower hoping it would reach a bit. No such luck lol
 
Are you still gonna feed her nutes and stuff?
Oh hell ya, I'm just not gonna stress out treating her as I don't seem to be gaining any ground. Doesn't get better, doesn't get worse, just keeps looking like crap producing lots of pistils, lol.

But my crop king white widows have about half of the leaves on one plant (the big one) coming out curled up, see the pics. But, they straighten out as the grow?
Before I bought from CKS I heard all kinds of rumours about seeds from them being mislabeled and bad genetics, but being from Canada it was the logical choice at the time. Now I buy from @SeedsMan and can't wait to try the strains I bought. I hear a lot of people are happy with their beans.

I appreciate everyone's efforts and help in trying to get her looking good again, and I have done everything I could do to treat her, but there's no point in stressing her out as well.
I'm so looking forward to my next grow to apply everything I have learned here.
 
I just bought Mephisto Genetics complete bundle of there new Illiumauto strains! Got all 10 of them 5 seeds each cant wait!!
Hey Sarge,
I know, and I think it's awesome you got your hands on them, well done my friend. I'm looking forward to seeing them throughout your journals. It's gonna be fun!
 
Hey Sarge,
I know, and I think it's awesome you got your hands on them, well done my friend. I'm looking forward to seeing them throughout your journals. It's gonna be fun!

Thanks MrSauga! We got lucky, they sold out 2 hours after dropping. Ill be doing a new journal for them and the new lights here in a couple weeks :)
 
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