Round 2-4140w LED-6x12 Monster SCROG-Hydro Recirculating System-PK-Chernobyl-Berrybom

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YourMaster said:
The same white russian kush the others grow without advanced nutirents dosnt come out the same for sure!'Take that for what it is others my be doing stupid shit too but...
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I'd contend that the phenolic compounds produced by each particular strain and the curing process used has way more to do with how cured bud tastes than what was used to grow it.

You can check me on that.
 
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Beautiful kids ya got growing Jon. Keepem Green
 
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sorry to hear about the bugs bro but keep up the good work i know its not fun when you catch the bug and have nothing to take care of it but i know you can beat it and wish the best of luck on finishing this grow successfully hope all else is well in your garden and good luck
 
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Bottom line is that nutes definately affect quality and taste. I've spent thousands and thousands of £ on nutes and truth is as far as base nutrient go , all the top names deliver. Now additives is a different story. I havent usrd bpn, that seems to be the big thing around here. Sponsors and free samples will sing tge peauses to the high heavens.

Truth is genetics predispose what the plant can do, and nutes/additives feed that. Is bpn the best out there? I don't know. But im skeptical. Free feed for journals is a good way to get people behind the brand.

I have tried all major brands and they all give resultslts. The most important thing is genetics, environment and knowing what to give and wen. If u know that any decent nute will give quality results.

Is AN over priced? Absolutely but us bpn or canna the answer?

NO

Learn the fundamentals and u can make any nute give excellent results.
 
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Sing the praises.

Sorry mobile phone spell checker
 
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Cultivator said:
Bottom line is that nutes definately affect quality and taste. I've spent thousands and thousands of £ on nutes and truth is as far as base nutrient go , all the top names deliver. Now additives is a different story. I havent usrd bpn, that seems to be the big thing around here. Sponsors and free samples will sing tge peauses to the high heavens.

Truth is genetics predispose what the plant can do, and nutes/additives feed that. Is bpn the best out there? I don't know. But im skeptical. Free feed for journals is a good way to get people behind the brand.

I have tried all major brands and they all give resultslts. The most important thing is genetics, environment and knowing what to give and wen. If u know that any decent nute will give quality results.

Is AN over priced? Absolutely but us bpn or canna the answer?

NO

Learn the fundamentals and u can make any nute give excellent results.
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Bottom line is nutes definitely affect taste? Where is that written? Can you point me to a study? For a guy that claims to know so much, you need to do a little research before speaking in such absolutes.

Your post implies that the only reason Blue Planet Nutrients has a following here is because he gives it away, which is absurd. It produces results. Other than one free 3pack of Elite I won 2 years ago for winning nug of the month, I've never been given a single thing for free. Ever. I have every opportunity to purchase AN or GH yet I keep ordering BPN and paying full price for it.

Also, I'm trying to figure out who made you the authority on judging which nutrient lines are the answer or not. Some of you on here amaze me.

I've used AN, GH, and BPN so I'm speaking from experience. Try it sometime.
 
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Truth is genetics predispose what the plant can do,
I have tried all major brands and they all give resultslts. The most important thing is genetics, environment and knowing what to give and wen. If u know that any decent nute will give quality results.

Is AN over priced? Absolutely but us bpn or canna the answer?

NO

Learn the fundamentals and u can make any nute give excellent results.[/QUOTE]
While I respectfully disagree with the first portion of the statement, this last piece :bravo: couldn't have said it better myself. Without genetic potential idc what u use
 
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Cultivator said:
Truth is genetics predispose what the plant can do, and nutes/additives feed that. Is bpn the best out there? I don't know. But im skeptical. Free feed for journals is a good way to get people behind the brand.
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I think that's a really fair point but there is also the issue of price. Even full price with shipping it is way cheap. If it's good enough and they are all kind of the same but this one is cheap than what's not to like right? That's my 2 cents but I'm admittedly biased.

Go team BPN :MoreNutes:
 
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of course nutrients affect quality and taste, not only the type but also how much u give them.

However i guess i came across wrong in what i was trying to say and used BPN to try make the point. And i was not saying BPN doesnt work, nor thats its not quality. I was trying to say that any half decent nute can be used well when the grower knows what to give and when.

I am speaking from experience using different nutes and additives.
 
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Cultavator brother , I get emails when people coment on your thread so I probably subscribe and have comented b4 , the reason im saying is because it has been brought to my attention how tacky and distastful it is to post pics on other peoples threads... As if I shouldnt have known better anyways.. Well if ive bombarded any of your threads my appologies bro , wont happen again...Oh ill still be checking out whats happening in your garden , but with my eyes not my mouth or fingers.. again my bad , keep it greene But since your a badass botonist and a hydro man can I ask a question ? Is 3000 ppm to high to try to build up to for the switch to 12/12 in a hydro drip system ?
 
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Terpenes, Terpenoids, TerpenPhenolic compounds are responsible for the smell and taste of Cannabis. When bud is cured, the terpenes are denatured by oxidation and the chemical skeleton is rearranged so that the terpene becomes a "terpenoid". Cannabinoids are made using terpenes as building blocks. Cannabinoids are "terpene-phenolic compounds".

There are over 120 different terpenes produced by Cannabis Plants. Terpenes are produced in the Trichomes and comprise between 10 and 20% of the total oils produced by those glands. Terpenes are constantly being produced, oxidized, vaporized by heat so the environmental conditions have a big impact on terpene production as well.
Terpenes are referred to as terpenoids when denatured by oxidation (like being dried and cured) or chemically altered by some rearrangement of the carbon skeleton. So, curing most definitely effects taste and smell of cannabis.

Cannabis is so complex from this point of view that the possible terpene combinations are endless, creating a broad spectrum of aromas and flavors.

The genetic of each particular strain determines which terpenes are produced by that particular strain.
As long as a plant is getting the basic nutrients required for growth, it will produce the terpenes that it is genetically predisposed to, which will in turn be effected by the interaction between the external environment and the physiological processes taking place within the plant (ecophysiology).

Nutrients have VERY LITTLE effect on terpene production as long as the plant is getting all the required elements for growth. Required nutrients are N,P,K,Ca,Mg,S,Fe,Mn,B,Mo,Zn,Cu.

Plant nutrition is not rocket science and there are many great formulations on the market from various nutrient companies. When comparing nutrients side by side, The main difference is the quality of raw materials used to formulate the products. All 2 part and 3 part base formulations are basically just soluble salts. The quality of these soluble salts and the way that those materials have been stored long term will play a role in nutrient quality.

Another IMPORTANT aspect of nutrient products is what is used to provide the micronutrients. Micronutrients must be provided in chelated forms so they will not react with other compounds in the nutrient solution and precipitate becoming unavailable for uptake.
Different chelates allow nutrients to be available at a variety of pH levels and the kinds of chelates used in nutrient formulas will have an effect the quality of the product. I use 4 forms of chelated micronutrients in my formulation... EDTA, DTPA, EDDHA (expensive), and Amino Acid chelates. This ensures that micronutrients are highly plant available.

My Thesis on Supplements: Aside from a basic 2 or 3 part formulation, there are a handful of supplements that enhance results if used properly. Bloom Booster Supplements provide certain elements in ratios that are beneficial for different stages of plant growth, eg. Flowering Phase. Some Supplements also provide certain elements that are traditionally not available in 2 and 3 part formulations. An example of this is Seaweed, which contains 60+ trace elements, powerful growth hormones, enzymes, and vitamins that are VERY beneficial to plant growth. Other supplements like B-vitamins, promote root growth and provide readily available vitamins to the plant so they don't have to expend energy making them. Supplements like Mycorrhizae enhance the root mass so that nutrient and water uptake is maximized.

A lot of nutrient companies market and sell many redundant products with fancy labels and out of this world claims designed solely to separate the consumer from the $$ in their wallet.
My idea with BPN is to provide a nutrient line that only contains the products that will maximize yield for the least amount of money. I love Cannabis and making and selling nutrients is my way of participating and promoting its proliferation around the globe.

My thoughts on "giving away nutrients for grow journals to gain a following" :
Blue Planet Nutrients operates on a VERY SMALL budget. I started this company from nothing a few years ago. I didn't and still don't have thousands of dollars to spend on advertising so I thought to myself "Corey, you know that your products are produced to the highest specifications and know that they work extremely well. But why isn't anyone purchasing them from you?" A little voice in my head told me this: "Well, if you can get some seasoned growers to use your products and visually illustrate the fantastic results, that may help gain customer trust and support". Well, it worked. BPN's motto: "The Results Speak for Themselves".

I am posting this because "knowledge is power" and I just want to share a little what I know with all of my friends in this fantastic place called 420magazine.com. This long post is not meant to step on anyone's toes or make anyone upset or feel bad.

@ Jon705, Sorry for taking up so much real estate in your journal with this long post.
 
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no worries Cory thats some great info thanks for posting it bro. Are you still getting growers to try your product? Im going to be on a tight budget for the next year or so because of the new growspace im building but if your willing to send me some i'd be glad to give it a try and journal it.ive been using a mix of AN and GH for awhile now and i get good results.If i get the same or better results I would definetly switch to your line up.the only reason I havent tried it yet is I would have to buy alot of extras to make it through a full round and I would hate to run out of something and not get it in the mail on time, Im horrible for forgetting i need something and having to run out to the hydroshop thats an hr away at the last minute lol
 
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Hey Jon, we can work something out for sure. I will need to have shipping costs plus a bit covered because I am on such a tight budget. Especially this month. I typically ask folks that do journals using my products to pick up at least the amount of costs so I can break even. If you saw the balance in my bank account, you would understand. you can email me at blueplanetnutrients@gmail.com for a more detailed conversation. I am very busy and don't get to journals as much as I would like.

And yes, I am getting more and more customers every week. Most folks that try my products become loyal customers and order repeatedly. that is what I really need. I finally started operating in the Black last year. Running a small business with limited funding is challenging to say the least!
 
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hey BPN

Just to be clear on my statement about above, i wasnt attacking ur product. Not at all, i guess i worded what i was trying to say wrong. I was trying to say theres not alot of difference between the top brands of base nutrients and that used correctly none are really hugely better than others. the difference in most cases is price. when i said about going to BPN over AN or Canna or whatever i meant that as long as the grower knows how to feed their plant correctly most named brands will perform well.

About me saying free nutes for journals, the point i was trying to make was that some guys used BPN before using anything else and because it was free and got results, they say its the best thing ever. I cant say if its good or not because i havent used it yet, but i will. its just getting it through customs thats the headache for me. I absolutely respect growers with experience such as fied who has grown with other nutes and has experience growing.

Finally as u say the terpine content is what is important. But nutes can affect the taste. some nutes make the bud taste metalic and harsh, some dont. a good flush would sort that most of the time but not everyone flushes. For the terpines to develop the plant needs the nutes to be healthy so its all connected. As they say, u are what u eat.

I guess i may have came across as a bit of a dick with my statement, that was not my intention. I'll be more careful how i word things in future.
 
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Its all good Cultivator ;)

Another tidbit: Excess Magnesium is typically the culprit of harsh tasting bud. Magnesium burns at about 5610 degrees F (3100 degrees C).

Magnesium is what is used in survival fire starters:
Magnesium Fire-Starting Tool at REI.com
I had one of those as a kid and used to practice building fires with it...it is a byatch building a fire with one of those even though it burns so hot. I prefer a Bic now a days :)

more info on Mg:
Magnesium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A good flush in most cases is a good idea, to leach excess nutrients from your plants to prevent harsh bud!
 
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