Rider-you better register your business as an industrial grow light supplier/advisor XD make more bank bro
Rider's first foray into LED strip lighting: Samsung H Series GEN3
illizm775
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I'll vend from u if u ever start distributing.
Re: Mean Well drivers.
I've been fiddling with my exhaust fan, trying to balance RH and heat, so I turned it off overnight to see if that helped. I opened the tent a couple hours after lights-on this morning and discovered a temp in the mid 90s, with 8 of my 14 panels unlit, off two drivers.
Within a minute, one of them came back on, and as soon as temps fell into the 80s the other driver came back.
So, the high-temp protection works!
I've been fiddling with my exhaust fan, trying to balance RH and heat, so I turned it off overnight to see if that helped. I opened the tent a couple hours after lights-on this morning and discovered a temp in the mid 90s, with 8 of my 14 panels unlit, off two drivers.
Within a minute, one of them came back on, and as soon as temps fell into the 80s the other driver came back.So, the high-temp protection works!
I didn't see the word sell or distribute.... I think what he meant is the money saved from the grow can be put towards more lighting
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Rider509
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This is a simplification but here goes:
The easy way to think about building a CV-CC system is to look at the Fv of the lighting device, in this case a nominal 46V. So you need a 48V driver in the Mean Well range. Any of the Mean Well HLG-XXXH-48A drivers will work so you make a choice based on your desired output, say 320W, 480W, or 600W max. Each driver has a current adjust range. The 600H-48A is 6.2-12.5A. Look at the light's data sheet and see what the drive current is for each strip. The FB22B is 1120mA typ, but can be driven to 1800mA max. What is the minimum number of strips that will safely run on the 600H-48A? The minimum driver output is 6200ma. The max strip capacity is 1800mA. 6200/1800=3.44. So four strips is the minimum and each strip would be run at 1550mA. Trying to run three strips would put each strip at 2066mA which would overdrive the strips to failure. For twelve strips at the driver max of 12.5A each strip would see 1.042A.
A 480H-48A would provide 40W per square foot with plenty of headroom and be a good choice for a 2x4 area. You're on your own for the red leds.
And unless I'm having a stroke or somehow transcended time I think I've answered this exact question before.
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Rider509
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No way, no day. I'm burnt out on lights. I just wanna grow! And now four of the seven beans are above ground.
King Jones
New Member
Thank you mate you are spot on with this
Good to hear man! I'd rather see you growing anyways .No way, no day. I'm burnt out on lights. I just wanna grow! And now four of the seven beans are above ground.
Heard about what happened with the last batch, over on Derbys thread, not cool :/
Idk what's up with that or if it's some crazy situation with your girl but that's lame :/
Hoping things turn around like your germ rates have and things start growing like mad for you . you've earned it, just based on what I see here XD
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Rider509
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[h=1]Rider509 - Two Thais & G13[/h]Almost ready for a dry run. Well... hopefully the tubs don't leak and everything stays dry. 
Hello Rider
first many thanks for help.
Maybe i write my question wrong or missunderstood anything.
My question is not whyt i driver i need,
my Question is, in what i ratio i have to add some Blue (~475nm) , some Red (maybe 660nm or 680nm) and how many FarRed (730nm) i need and how much power in Watt
I use 12 samsung F-Series Gen3 (LT-FB22B) strips (112cm) 3000K
but i not have any idea how much red or deep red, blue and far red led's i have to add there
If i show some Dealer-Sides then also i see different power from this LED's
I think i must not show only about the right led's and the number of them, i must also show on the power
if i have the ratio of this led's and the number how much i need , i would be very happy
My other LED's the 12 samsung stripy i would like configere like this===>
6 strips serial and 2x6 serialstrips parallel, then i think is a HLG-185H 700mA ok..
if is possible to tell me about the ratio from qhite led's to tzhe color led's
sorry for maybe stupid questions i'm not a light specialist
regards
sopa
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Rider509
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I'm not a light specialist either, Sopa. I'm learning as I go. I may play with red leds later in my grow but, like you, I need to do some research. I'd suggest searching YouTube for GrowMau5. He's got some good videos that may help you. Realize that the led strips are considered full spectrum and you don't necessarily need any additional lights to grow healthy plants.
Your led wiring plan doesn't make best use of the strips. The series runs will have a voltage drop of 276V, which is a good fit to the 185H-C700, but each parallel group is only going to see 350mA, which is only 20% of max. The whole system would only output about 200W of light, or 25W/ftsq. Do you already have that driver and that's why you want to use it?
If you really want to do series/parallel you could go three series strings for a voltage drop of 185V each and run a 480H-C2100 for 700mA per parallel. Or just go with the 480H-48A that I originally suggested.
Your led wiring plan doesn't make best use of the strips. The series runs will have a voltage drop of 276V, which is a good fit to the 185H-C700, but each parallel group is only going to see 350mA, which is only 20% of max. The whole system would only output about 200W of light, or 25W/ftsq. Do you already have that driver and that's why you want to use it?
If you really want to do series/parallel you could go three series strings for a voltage drop of 185V each and run a 480H-C2100 for 700mA per parallel. Or just go with the 480H-48A that I originally suggested.
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Rider509
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Back in March of this year I'd considered doing what you want to do, but the difference is that this driver has the current capacity to drive each parallel string to 1050mA for an output of about 150W per string. A 700ma constant current driver just isn't big enough to do what you want.
very good, but Rider you know LED lights much much more then me... im a total dummie in this.
But im very interested in this technical things
and yes i know gromau5 videos already.. but my english is not so good to understand the technical words what he say.. thats one of a lot reasons why i ask now in this webside.
Because in germany they have to calculate and prove everything scientifically bevore they give any informations... i need only a thinking from a specialist like you... i don't need 100% things... i know.. all what i do is a testing for myself and my hobby
ooohhh...
but good, i don't order already.
i get this information from a europe webside...
the thing was... first i get the information i must use 6 strips with same 185H-C700, and then i get information is better to use 12 strips 2x6 and 2 parallel and can use same same 185H-C700. The reason for this information what i get was, the illumination is better... for me is that logic... but if i invest in this technical lot of money then I would hate to use only 20%, provided it is good for my plants
i know what you mean if you say my Strips have already red, blue and other colors inside... but i would like test with 730nm (FarRed) for make light-time shorter and maybe also shorter flower-time, then i would like use mostly Sativa hybrid strains and my box is only 140cm high...for this ii would like test with blue led's for better control the plant stretch...
thats the reason why i would like add some color-led's
Now i start with build this panel... is a lot work if i make it good...i think is better i add now some colors then i must not change after few weeks again.. i hope so
edot:
i found this video from gowmau5
YouTube
i think now i have it all to 90% what i need
i need now only the blue 460nm-475nm to can better control the stretch
have you any idea how much i need and how much watt?
huhuhu.. i hope is not forbidden to link a video
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Rider509
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I wish I could help you Sopa but I am just learning about the red spectrum benefits and uses.
Takeshy
420 Member
Hello Rider!
I was hoping you could give me a help mounting 28x FB22B strips in parallel.
I'm making a LED build next week, could you please give me your opinion?
This build will be used in a 5x5 tent.
Any advice?
How about safety issues?
Should I use thermal switch? If yes, how many? One per strip?
I was hoping you could give me a help mounting 28x FB22B strips in parallel.
I'm making a LED build next week, could you please give me your opinion?
This build will be used in a 5x5 tent.
Any advice?
How about safety issues?
Should I use thermal switch? If yes, how many? One per strip?
Rider you help me a lot already... really sometimes i need only some steps to find the right way.. and you give me very very good informations about growmau5 ideo's... i know some videos from hom already but not all... now i find the right video.
I know it now how many Red and farRed maybe also IR LED's i need or can use...
In the video there can everybody see how big is the quantum panel... how big is the room... and how much Watt he have in ratio to collor led's watt... then is easy to build this system in copy
i need only now some little steps for my dream led config.. because i would like test also with blue led's.. i think i need also not a lot Watt of them... maybe i find some configurations
Rider you help me a lot already... really sometimes i need only some steps to find the right way.. and you give me very very good informations about growmau5 video's... i know some videos from hom already but not all... now i find the right video.
I know it now how many Red and farRed maybe also IR LED's i need or can use...
i need only some informations now about blue LED's and the reatio
In the video there can everybody see how big is the quantum panel... how big is the room... and how much Watt he have in ratio to color led's watt... then is easy to build this system in copy
i think.. im not need to perfectly create a DIY panel to 100%. in growing i think is nothing 100%
thanks Rider so far....
i wish all the best for you and your work
Sopa
edit: i found now the ratio blue:red... is maybe 3:1,
i hope thats right
I signed up on these forums mainly to say thank you. Very informative thread!
You seem almost disappointed with your par readings on the Samsung? Don't forget how much closer you can put the samsungs to the plants compared to cobs. The Spydr's even recommend 6"!
I would love to see the numbers when comparing 6" Samsung to 12" cobs?
Anyways Thank you again. I didn't put the ipad down last night till I read right through this thread. I look forward to your future postings.
You seem almost disappointed with your par readings on the Samsung? Don't forget how much closer you can put the samsungs to the plants compared to cobs. The Spydr's even recommend 6"!
I would love to see the numbers when comparing 6" Samsung to 12" cobs?
Anyways Thank you again. I didn't put the ipad down last night till I read right through this thread. I look forward to your future postings.
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Rider509
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So far I'm impressed with the Samsungs. The first thing that jumped out at me was the lack of shadows on the plants under the Samsungs. The Cree COBs leave very noticeable shadows on the lower leaves.
I'm inclined to bring the H Series assembly back in the tent and relegate the Crees to shop lighting.
I'm inclined to bring the H Series assembly back in the tent and relegate the Crees to shop lighting.
gotrice007
420 Member
OK, here's the build I'd recommend for a fun, safe, no explosions led experience over a 2'x4' area. It's still capable of more light energy than what's strictly needed but it allows you to run the leds gently for better efficiency and less heat generated.
1_____Mean Well HLG-480H-48A
4_____Samsung F Series Gen3 44" double row strips
4_____Al u-channel, 1.5" x 1.5" x 0.125" x 44"
1_____roll, thermal heat tape
1_____AC male plug end
You'll also need some 14ga zip cord, 18ga solid wire, and suitable electrical connectors. It can be easily assembled using simple hand tools. It'll help if you also buy an inexpensive Kill-A-Watt meter for each system.
For myself this is a 2x4 system, but it could handle a 4x4 area and still provide over 30W per foot square if driven to 500W.
Figure about $350USD.
Hello Rider,
First of all thanks for making the Two Thais and G13 Journal and these Samsung FB24B. I'm so impress with your current journal, I've decided to go ahead and get the FB24B for myself. Here is my outline please let me know if this will work.
1_____Mean Well HLG-600H-48B
4_____Samsung F Series Gen3 44" double row strips
4_____Al u-channel, 1.5" x 1.5" x 0.125" x 44"
1_____roll, thermal heat tape
The reason why I choose the HLG 600 48B is that I don't know how to solder the wire for the dimming on the 48A. Will there be big difference between the 48A and 48B?
Also I've notice you mention somewhere that you have made some changes to your Al U Channel. I can't seem to find that post, can you please tell me what was the changes on the Al U channel. Also, please advice what Thermal Tape to use as I'm a amature. Don't which is a reliable brand. One more important question, what changes would you make now to improve this light now that you already got some experience from your Journal.
Thanks,
Rice
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Rider509
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Hello Rider!
I was hoping you could give me a help mounting 28x FB22B strips in parallel.
I'm making a LED build next week, could you please give me your opinion?
This build will be used in a 5x5 tent.
Any advice?
How about safety issues?
Should I use thermal switch? If yes, how many? One per strip?
Wait, what? WHAT? WOW!
hahaha, that would be a beast of a light! How would you mount them? In framed groups or as one enormous fixture? Geez, Takeshy, you don't mess around. As far as safety devices you don't need any. I'd probably use terminal blocks and heavy gauge wire for the run from the driver to the lights and split off to short runs of 18ga wire to each strip. You'll be running 43mA to each strip so heat isn't even an issue! When you're setting up the driver measure your voltage at the strip because you'll have line losses that'll skew your wattage calcs. You could actually run that driver wide open and have over 650W of lighting in an insanely even spread.
My opinion? This would be crazy.
But I see that you're now thinking of going with Quantum boards from HLG? What did you finally decide?