Ohhh, gotcha! I thought you were pushing it when you called pistils day 1 but I don't like to interfere with what people go by with their days. I've had this conversation and I still don't understand why anyone counts flower days for an auto.
Pterostychus: The Never Ending Story, Now Jack Herer
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you have a point there ... it is something rather arbitrary isn't it
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day 61 from seed
she looks particullary happy today, all perky and all, maybe it has to do with the big feed she got last night...
I gave her 2l with 2ml/l basenutes, 1ml/l Powerroots and 0.5ml/l calmag .... i will repeat the same later tonight
She seems to take the nutes like a champ ....
aint she a beauty despite the two week stall in the beginning ... ?
she looks particullary happy today, all perky and all, maybe it has to do with the big feed she got last night...
I gave her 2l with 2ml/l basenutes, 1ml/l Powerroots and 0.5ml/l calmag .... i will repeat the same later tonight
She seems to take the nutes like a champ ....
aint she a beauty despite the two week stall in the beginning ... ?
61 days...are we sure this is an auto? I mean I see some pistlilly things but a photo plant would be showing sex around 60 days, no?
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it is an auto and it showed sex 2 weeks ago .... i dont follow you .... if i dont count the stall she is at day 46 now ...
Why wouldn't you count the stall? Any day above soil is a day above soil! I'm asking because I'm seeing more growers with what are labeled as autos turn out to be photos. 61 days is a long time for an auto to look like that. I may be totally wrong but I'm raising the possibility.
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ive had autos show sex as late as day 50 from seed ... im not to worried its a cocos thing .... they all go that long with me
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last time i grew this strain it was in soil it showed sex at day 40 and was done on day 95
Fair enough. We'll wait...
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hehe that cracked me up ... btw im sorry your whatever it is auto is an early flowerer i wish it went to 40 days as well .... oh and btw gratz on yer solid lead in PotM 
Thanks Pt! Early days still and there are so many members here who don't even bother to vote for anything. Takes but a few minutes.btw gratz on yer solid lead in PotM
I don't think I've run an auto that hadn't gone into flower by day 35 or so
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yea and you grow in soil ... i am really convinced that the medium makes the differenceThanks Pt! Early days still and there are so many members here who don't even bother to vote for anything. Takes but a few minutes.
I don't think I've run an auto that hadn't gone into flower by day 35 or so
Don't forget the weather!
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ah i also forgot to mention that since a few days i had to run the filter as she started to stink up the place ... and in the meanwhile it keeps the humidity stable at around 50%
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and the potsize !!!
LOL!
Not sure why tracking it could hurt. I track my autos. I like seeing how long it takes for them to 'begin flowering' (44 and 32 days respectively) as well as how long it took from beginning flower til its harvested (61 and 47 respectively....the 47 was due to an early harvest to bud rot or it would have likely gone another 10 days at least). More data I have on it, the better idea what to expect because I don't see timelines anywhere close to the breeders numbers. The more data I have collected the clearer the potential picture becomes. After 10-15 autos I should have a pretty good idea what I can expect from autos cause right now those ranges are kinda limited and show a 90-105 day from seed to harvest. But you know me Shed....as a baseball fan, I love statistics and can't help but believe tracking any information gives you potential data to use as your imagination sees fit.
LOL! I never said it would hurt
.Let me see if I can explain my thinking. With a photo plant we have control over one part of the plant's life (veg) and an estimation of the length of the other part (flower). We can use those two things to estimate harvest time based on how long we want to veg. That way we can roughly plan when a plant will come down based on when we flip it. We need it to be down a week before the relatives visit for Christmas? Back out the approximate flower time and you know how long you can veg.
Autos, on the other hand, start their clock the moment they break ground. What you need to know is how long they go from sprout to harvest. My blueberry autos ran 85-110 days last year, which is how I knew that I didn't want to grow one now. How long they flowered didn't factor in to those calculations. Also, most of the breeders I've seen list their auto plants in days to harvest (though I've seen some do flowering period instead).
And what seems (to me anyway!) as one of your most important stats, grams/day, is unaffected by flowering time for an auto. You can't increase or decrease the veg time to change the calculation on the auto the way you do on the photos. You can, however, choose autos that you have found maximize the gr/day calc.
That's just how my mind works. I'm good with statistics as long as I can get my head around why we're measuring something, and flower days for an auto just doesn't fit into that category for me.
Not sure if that's clear to anyone but me
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Ah but do we know if Sativa Autos take longer than Indica Autos? Sure...in a pure sense you can't change it other than to know what the flowering time is relative to a strain you grow many times. What I mean by that is say I grow GG#4 out 10 times. One might start flowering at 32 days and take 75 days in flower. Another one might take 35 days and finish in 55 days. I guess I see value in knowing what I might expect. For me it makes up a big part of my chess game that is scheduling. The more I know about a strain, auto or photo, the better I can plan and control things. Kind of like a baseball manager....the more he knows, the more he can have plans and back up plans for different situations.
I guess really its really beneficial for a strain you might run a lot and you want to control the type of high. If I grow Jack Herer Auto enough I can figure out if I like it better as an early harvest relative to flowering (which might not be 'early' in terms of total days if it started flowering in the 28 or 29 day range instead of 40-45 days). You could have 4 autos that are all the same number of days old but who could range 2-3 weeks in their flowering development. At least tracking the flowering times, I have a better idea when to expect them to done without having to constantly monitor trichomes because of the total age of the auto. Make sense?
I agree, you can't really control when they start flowering but sometimes its beneficial for different reasons.
I guess really its really beneficial for a strain you might run a lot and you want to control the type of high. If I grow Jack Herer Auto enough I can figure out if I like it better as an early harvest relative to flowering (which might not be 'early' in terms of total days if it started flowering in the 28 or 29 day range instead of 40-45 days). You could have 4 autos that are all the same number of days old but who could range 2-3 weeks in their flowering development. At least tracking the flowering times, I have a better idea when to expect them to done without having to constantly monitor trichomes because of the total age of the auto. Make sense?
I agree, you can't really control when they start flowering but sometimes its beneficial for different reasons.
I can see the value if you want to have an idea of when they are gonna come down once you see pistils, but that's assuming that flowering times will be similar even if veg times for the same strain differ. If one JHa throws pistils at 35 days and another at 45 days, can you assume that flowering time will be the same for both, giving you an indication of when they'll both be done? If yes, then I undertand the theory. But if they're going to differ in flower as they did in veg, then I still don't know how it's helpful!
LOL! Great discussion Van
. Always a pleasure hearing how you think things through.