PotChimp's Side Projects

[PotChimp]

Since there's no laws yet concerning the names of strains (that I know of, anyway), I'd just tell the judge that I respected DJ's work so much I decided to name my strain for breeding Blueberry in his honor! Huh? No sir! I'm definitely not using his work!

 

[PotChimp]

I'm just giving thought to the future. I hope it doesn't get nasty. It might not be a bad idea with the breeding projects to avoid the strain names and refer to it as bagseed.

 

[Chris Scorpio]

Unless you start selling a strain, you, borrowed, it will never be an issue

Even then, a cross would be tuff to determine lineage without genetics testing


Once it's fully legalized it will get interesting indeed

 

[Mr. Krip]

I'm just giving thought to the future. I hope it doesn't get nasty. It might not be a bad idea with the breeding projects to avoid the strain names and refer to it as bagseed.

I think, as long as you're not selling the genetics, you'd be fine no matter what, even though they prohibit propagation. It's when you start selling that it becomes an issue (else, who would even know?). I've seen some varieties of blueberries that are patented. Here's a "blurb" on the University of Florida Blueberry Breeding program (they grow the actual berry plants and not the weed version! ):

Patented Cultivars: Legal Requirements

The blueberry breeding program at the University of Florida is financed to a large extent by revenues from royalty payments on patented cultivars. The newer cultivars developed by this program are patented. Propagation of these cultivars requires a license from the agency holding the patent. Planting a patented cultivar does not require a license if the plant was purchased from a licensed propagator, but it is always important to retain the documentation you receive from a licensed nursery indicating the plants were legally obtained. Propagation of patented cultivars without a license is a violation of the law, even if you own the plants from which the cuttings are taken.

 

[Graytail]

I don't know breeding genetics well enough, but it seems to me that the best stuff will usually be the stuff that's all recessive genes. When you try to cross it, you'll lose whatever makes it great. I think that's how it works in other industries - any F1 seeds are always crap.. When you think about it, there are clone-only strains that no one has managed to reproduce - Blue Dream, Kali Mist, etc. - just perfect combinations of recessive genes. Of course, it's gotta be hard to produce those stable seeds in the first place.

I just remember hearing about flower and garden varieties that produce seeds but whose next generation are either sterile or crap.

 

[Dankman_420]

Blueberry for example. There's a shit load of different breeders with their " version " of it. Shit I think half of them are not even really the real deal. Just some crooks attaching popular names to trick MF ers into buying it. I wouldn't worry about it at all

 

[DonkeyDick]

Seedsman sell 2 completely different critical purple kushes. One is their own, one is attitude (from memory).
Hell they’re breeders and they don’t care.

 

[PotChimp]

I think the best answer is the "Patented Cultivars: Legal Requirements" post. By legal precedent, cases will probably follow those exact rules. Key to me is the word "patented", and to my knowledge, no marijuana strain is.
One thing that got me on that subject was a story I read a while ago about the people who named GG#4 being contacted by the company that makes the glue for using their name!

 

[PotChimp]

I don't know breeding genetics well enough, but it seems to me that the best stuff will usually be the stuff that's all recessive genes. When you try to cross it, you'll lose whatever makes it great. I think that's how it works in other industries - any F1 seeds are always crap.. When you think about it, there are clone-only strains that no one has managed to reproduce - Blue Dream, Kali Mist, etc. - just perfect combinations of recessive genes. Of course, it's gotta be hard to produce those stable seeds in the first place.

I just remember hearing about flower and garden varieties that produce seeds but whose next generation are either sterile or crap.

That's something I've thought about for a long time. Kali Mist (and any other famous named strain) was probably a one time deal that can't be done again. It's just that one plant, and someone has it somewhere. And he probably just clones it over and over. And he pollinates one of the clone plants with a potent male that has similar traits to sell his Kali Mist f1 seeds. Then he gives cuts to fellow breeders in exchange for good cuts back, and we get Kali Chimp (Kali Mist x Granddaddy PotChimp*) from those guys. Then we all buy those f1s because we liked Kali Mist so much!

As many plants as I've done, and as few keepers as I've found, I'm pretty convinced those exceptional plants are hard to come by.

*not to be confused with Granddaddy Purple, a strain that PotChimp knows nothing about and did not (I repeat did not) use in any of his pollen slinging projects, which technically do not qualify as breeding, seeing as how he's not a licensed breeder, and to be blunt, quite stupid.

 

[PotChimp]

Stubborn Chocolope reveg, finally growing:

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• PotChimp
• Mar 8, 2020

 

[PotChimp]

Believe it or not, that plant in the middle is 6-1/2 weeks from germination. It's Riot's Clockwork Orange; I've had it in a cold area for a while and just brought it into a warmer area about a week ago. Hopefully it'll pick up.....
The other five plants around it are seedlings from when I pollinated an Apollo 13 f2 clone with an Apollo 13 f2 male and decided to put a female Med Man Cannabis Afghanica plant in for seeds too. They're four weeks old; I didn't realize I can feed them now:

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• PotChimp
• Mar 8, 2020

Definitely wide leaf, like its mother. At least so far. I'm hoping for plenty frost

 

[PotChimp]

All these bagseed pollen slinging projects are getting hard to keep track of!

 

[TheGreenYeti]

Blueberry for example. There's a shit load of different breeders with their " version " of it. Shit I think half of them are not even really the real deal. Just some crooks attaching popular names to trick MF ers into buying it. I wouldn't worry about it at all

There are definitely multiple breeders putting out their own blueberry strains. From the sounds of it though, most of them are better than DJ's stock at this point in time. DJ used to breed with Dutch Passion so they had original DJ stock that they worked with. I am not sure if they still do, due to a lot of Dutch breeders having been raided on more than one occasion. I am not the biggest fan of Dutch Passion, due to issues with their stock I have grown, but there are people that love them.

Van stank seemed to really like Seedsman's version of Blueberry and actually found one with legit blueberry terps. I know BC Bud Depot has a blueberry of their own but have not seen it grown out. Crop King has a Blueberry that I would not bother with even if given seeds. Every person I have seen grow it out has been disappointed in it.

I definitely agree that some breeders just throw a name on things to get people to buy their gear. It is yet another tactic people need to be aware of when they buy seeds.

 

[PotChimp]

I grew a DJ Short's Blueberry plant once, but it turned out to be a male. I pollinated a Super Lemon Haze plant with it and grew the seeds a few times, if I remember right.....

Edit - Now I remember. Every time I grew a plant of it, the buds on top of all the branches looked like somebody flipping me the bird!

 

[PotChimp]

Yeah, those plants grew these super long foxtails. Summer's coming, so I might grow a few of them again. I save my Haze dominant plants for Summer because they can stand heat better. I've got my Chem D breeding project coming up again, those Apollo 13 f3 seeds that I want to grow out, along with those Nevil's Haze x Apollo 13 f2 seeds. Got Hippie Killer, Blue Dream, G13 Haze. Yep, gonna be a busy Summer.....

 

[Dankman_420]

I'm shutting down my bloom tent for better part of the summer. Got lots of shit to do this summer. After that I'll be doing a chimp style pheno hunt with my seeds

 

[PotChimp]

Not good pics, but here's my next plants to go into bloom (couple weeks maybe?)
X18 Pure Pakistani:

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

I'm gonna top this Ghost cut OG Kush plant and use the top as a clone:

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

Pineapple Express (I liked the first plant I grew but not the second plant I grew about a year later):

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

 

[Weaselcracker]

I don't ever remember anybody here that grew it praising GT.

I grew one that I absolutely loved. It was a very heavy large long single cola which smelled like Thai weed. The high was very clear and happy. I smoked it all until it was all gone and loved it till the last crumb. I still call it my favorite smoke ever. Meant to reveg it but was stoned and chopped the stem before I remembered. Since then I’ve grown a bunch of GT’s but they were all different and not nearly as good. They’ve reworked it a bunch of times. I’ve got two more new seedlings about to go to flower. I guess I’ll grow all my remaining GT seeds out then give up on that particular holy grail and start looking elsewhere.

I also loved the Malawi. I do think it’s worth digging around in those Ace Malawi/Thai crosses. There must to be a winner in there somewhere.

Van stank seemed to really like Seedsman's version of Blueberry and actually found one with legit blueberry terps.

I really liked their blueberry as well. It was a nice looking easy to grow plant - not super strong but mostly I loved the blueberry smell which was striking.


As for that seed breeding thread you were talking about, PChimp, it occurred to me later that I actually know a guy, am actually sort of related to a guy, who is cofounder of what is still a very well-known mainstream seed bank. At one point about 15 years ago they won the cannabis cup for best Indica and at that point I know he was seeing $’s and was planning to retire and live happily ever after rolling in money.

But since then, that hasn’t happened, and he just works a lot like a regular guy. It’s nonstop drama. Always people ‘stealing their strains’. I got the feeling that he isn’t exactly innocent either but the last time I talked to him much about ‘the business’ was at a Christmas dinner and it became obvious that Christmas would be completely ruined if we stayed on that topic.
I got the impression it was a nasty business to be in. So if there’s any way around all that - filling some (imaginary ?) ‘small happy seed breeding’ niche might be the best angle to work.

Danger Island Seed CO - the name has possibilities.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Not good pics, but here's my next plants to go into bloom (couple weeks maybe?)
X18 Pure Pakistani:

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

I'm gonna top this Ghost cut OG Kush plant and use the top as a clone:

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

Pineapple Express (I liked the first plant I grew but not the second plant I grew about a year later):

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

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• PotChimp
• Mar 9, 2020

Very healthy looking!

 

[PotChimp]

Most breeders sell you f1s. They do it on purpose for the obvious reason. To keep you from stealing their work. If someone has to work f1 stock to stability in order to use it for breeding, it's no longer the original breeder's work, IMHO. I don't see how a breeder who puts a strain out as f1 can call it his if somebody else does generations of work to "restabilize" it, even if the next breeder winds up with something very close to the original.