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Kilroy, rockwool is always something to have, and is the better choice for cloning. I've tried jiffy peat pellets for cloning and it did not go well. But one plant in there should be fine. A little topping and lst and you'll be golden. Just make sure and keep it flat. I can't remember if it's in your thread, but what are the dimension of your grow box?
 
Hello everybody! I have started a grow journal for my first ever CFL grow and Peyton kindly pointed me over to this thread for more help.

Here is the link to my grow journal which hasn't really started yet as I am waiting for the seeds. I have everything else but the nutes because I was hoping to get advice on what to use.

Small CFL First Grow!

I have myself a little grow box I bought from ebay and am waiting on the seeds to arrive. Here is my little set up.

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The thing came with Peat Pellets but it seems to me that I mostly see people using rockwool for this kind of thing. Should I get rockwool instead? It seems like I see people using Peat Pellets mostly for cloning.

The other thing that makes me nervous is when to start adding nutes to the rez. Peyton says when I see jagged leaves to wait about two weeks and then add nutes. Sounds easy enough.

The folks on the other thread suggested I grow only one plant because of the limited lighting so I guess my goal will be to top the plant to get it nice and bushy?

Any more advice would be greatly appreciated of course.

Welcome! If advice u want. I love helping people getting started growing. Everything past the basics is open to opinion. After saying that, here goes my opinion along with questions following up. Get a note pad, shits about to get real.

Let's start with possible issues I see right off the bat.
1. Get that god damn tinfoil out of there lol it will create hot spots. Unless that's mylar (emergency blanket).
2. Cover that rez, any light getting into that tub will create alge and kill the plants.
3. Get the cardboard boxes out, that's a fire hazard.

OK now onto questions.
1.have you tested you max temperature in your cabinet with lights on? If not leave the lights on for 6 hours and take a temperature reading. Ideal u want under 80f. Perfect temp is low 70s.
2. What size is that tub? And what size air pump and air stone combination will u be using?
3. What size fans do you have to exhaust hot air?

Onto some info on dwc.
To be successful I strongly recommend you purchase a TDs or ec meeter to monitor your dissolved solids. Also a type of pH measurement. Can buy pH pens or you can buy liquid pH test kits. You will need a way to monitor your pH and keep it between 5.5 and 6.
Temperature of the solution (nutrient mix) needs to be kept under 70f or 21c. If lights on cause the temps to raise too much you can combat this with frozen bottles of water changed out every 4-6 hours. Is why you see some people with chilers setup on there dwc systems, or opt out and go rdwc. (Recirculating deep water culture)

Cloning and seed starting, everyone has different preferences. I like rockwool cubes and rooting powder. Some have success with peate, water cloning the list goes on. Few things to keep in check during cloning, is rh and temperature. 80/80 works for me, no dome nothing else.
For starting seeds I do prefer peat pellets though, haven't had good luck with rock wool and seeds.

Amount of plants, what are the measurements of that cab? Rule of thumb is when you switch the plant to flower, it will minimum stretch 2x-3x its size. So plan accordingly.

Don't let any of this scare you, its all quotes simple. Just take it in slowly. I do recommend you try a different growing style then dwc form first grow. Hempy is a great way to learn about growing cannabis. And you don't need to worry about temps as much. Room temp can sit in the 80s and not cause issues for root temp. Soil is also another great option for beginners.

Nutrients, ok you can get scared now lol just kidding hahah good line to start with is general hydroponics flora 3 part series. It can be used as 3 part formula or 2 part called the Lucas formula(Google it, so friggin simple it ain't funny). Start with half strength on whatever line u decide on.

and the wife needs me, I'll post more info later and feel free to ask any questions, we love helping, you came to the right place! :)
Also I don't subscribe anymore, too time consuming for me. So don't take offence if I'm not active in your thread. But your more then welcome to come here and ask.
 
Thanks. It's a pain, but should pay off in the end. I know how you feel about more space. I had to make a separate veg box for my plants, and now am trying to see about expanding that for more plants
 
The Flux takes a long time to veg properly, and requires a lot of training, which goes against my laziness, nothing against the Flux itself. Fluxing makes amazing yield when done right. I want to veg more plants now too, just to have long vegged bushy scrog monsters. Sucks you're stuck in an apartment. I tried soil grows over a decade ago in an upstairs closet with a 250 hps. Did not go well at all for me. Never got a single proper harvest. Garage ain't much cooler, but easier to work in and no landlord.
 
Thank you very much for this GREAT post Stumped! I appreciate your help very much!

Get a note pad, shits about to get real.
LOVE it. I need it! lol

1. Get that god damn tinfoil out of there lol it will create hot spots.
I can tell that it isn't actually tin foil. I am not sure if it is just cheaper mylar or what, but it's not foil lol

2. Cover that rez, any light getting into that tub will create alge and kill the plants.
Will do. Was going to paint it black and I saw somebody using little pieces of black trash bags wrapping the unused pots and laying squares of cardboard over the unused holes. Actually I am thinking of getting a new rez the same size, painting it black and cutting just one hole in it.

1.have you tested you max temperature in your cabinet with lights on?
Not yet. I will pick up some kind of thermometer and test it out. It does not FEEL warm at all during previous test runs but I will test it out

2. What size is that tub?
Tub holds a gallon to the bottom of the pots

what size air pump and air stone combination will u be using?
Not sure about the official size. I can see no writing or anything but here are the pics
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3. What size fans do you have to exhaust hot air?
Looks like it says 12v?
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I will take your advice on the TDs or ec meter. I just read about that yesterday and sounded like a good idea.

I am also going to get the ph testing stuff when I get ph up ph down and when I get the nutes. Wanted to get it all in one trip.

Not really worried about cloning at this time but thanks for that info!

what are the measurements of that cab?
24" tall 16" wide and 10" deep

Rule of thumb is when you switch the plant to flower, it will minimum stretch 2x-3x its size.
So you are saying that if I let the plant grow to a foot tall before switching over to flower it will double in size? Or more?

I do recommend you try a different growing style then dwc form first grow.
I am kind of committed to this cabinet. I am going to give this a good try and hopefully with some luck and good advice from the community here I can make it work out

good line to start with is general hydroponics flora 3 part series. It can be used as 3 part formula or 2 part called the Lucas formula
Great info here. Just from the reading I had done before GH sounded like the way to go

Here is what I got when I Googled "Lucas Formula"

Add 8ml of Flora Micro (dark red stuff) to 1 gallon of water*, mix, and then add 16ml of Flora Bloom (pink stuff) into the water, and mix. Done

I have not seen anything at my local Wally Mart that measures in ml(s). Do I need a syringe? I have not looked in the gardening section yet nor have I been to the local hydro store. I am assuming they have something that measures in ml there?

I'll post more info later and feel free to ask any questions
Thank you again sooooo much for this help. This is all sounding like it can be a very interesting past time
 
No prob man.
Let's run this down quickly to get questions addressed.

Not tinfoil, good :)
The tub, if u decide to upgrade, they sell black 1.5 gallon buckets at most hydro shops. If your going to work with what u got. Scuff up the outside with sandpaper before painting. Might take a few coats. But I can't stress this enough, keep the light out!! Your going small so 1-2 gallons is OK, but pH will need adjusting often. More water= less work.

My room don't "feel" warm but after 10 hours its 35c some days, way too warm for dwc. Good job on putting thermometer on shopping list. Get 2 one to put in the water and one to test air temp. Wally world aquarium section hint hint.

Airpump is questionable. Air stone is kind of small might want to look at picking up a long one, helps disburse bubbles better. Fans should do the trick. U want exhaust at the top and intake at the bottom.

TDs eBay or amazon. 10$. When u go to hydroshop if they sell GH pH kit. It comes with a liquid pH tester. I have eBay chap pH pens. They work. Just need to calibrate them every week. 10$-15$.

Plant at 12 inch from flip will yield a 2 foot + plant. Unless you try some LST (low stress training). We can assist you on that as well. Not complicated.

Yup that's Lucas. GH is a good product, I don't use it anymore. But its a good cheap nutrient to use. And to help gain knowledge on growing cannabis.
Tea spoon = 5ml tablespoon = 15ml.
Syringes at drugstore, 10ml all you will need really. Or u can buy bigger 50ml or 10ml on eBay or amazon for a buck or two.
Wally's might carry it too. Canadian Walmart isn't like american so I can't say.
8-16 Lucas is a nice easy formula to run in dwc, soil, Hempy any style really. If u do Lucas. Your under cfl low light so you run half the formula. 4-8 ml. Basically your 2 bottles of nutes will be a purchase every year lol there going to last you forever man.

Also when your at the hydro shop see if they will sell yan a few rockwool cubes. Or buy a sheet. Peat and dwc makes a mess. Grab some Hydroton (clay pebble) they go around the rock wool in the netpot. Again see if they will see u some, Not a whole bag lol my hydro shop sells rock wool by the cube for 25 cents and Hydroton for 1$ for a 6 inch pot full.

There is a lot more things to cover on your setup. But you got your basis and shopping list.
Thermometer
Hygrometer (reads humidity)
Nutrients
Syringe.
Rock wool
Hydroton.

Its a fucking awesome past time man. Gardening of anysorts is fun! Espically when you really get to enjoy the end product!

Anymore questions feel free to ask!

Gotta learn to grow, gotta grow to learn.

Now I'm off to take a picture of the girls for everyone.
 
Hey Kilroy64. An Oral syringe will have mls. My pharmacist gave me a couple when I asked about them. Try to get a ph meter to test your water before you buy the ph up or down. You'll only need one of them. Mix up some nutes and check the ph. Then buy the up or down. I used the Lucas formula and it was less work. But might have been less plant. Have you thought about Hempy? Easier and less problems with hot rez temps. The ph was my experience with DWC and Hempy. Hempy ph didn't change as often as the DWC. I chased the ph constantly with the DWC.

WJ

As for the syringe, you can get those at any drug store, they go up to 10ml. I have a few of them
 
Plant update time

HGK Flux looks good as hell. Flowers look lovely, just waiting to see her stack calyx. Didnt have to mess with the canopy today, everything stayed level, so I'm guessing all the stretching is over now, so let the real fun begin

SB is done stretching, hairy as hell, and level too.

HGK clone is stretching now and getting bigger each day. Leaves are as big as my hand now.

PC took the supercrop wonderfully. Had to tether her branches back down cause one was trying to get back up. Bent fans down so smaller sites could get light.

3 of the 4 bagseed are out with assistance. One of them is still closed and tiny but looks like the first set of true leaves are already growing. Musta been in the dirt too long. We'll see what comes of them
 
Great stuff Stumped! And thanks to Peyton for pointing me over here.

I am assuming that TDs are at they hydro store too?

So what would I do to lower the temp in this small of a cabinet?

I will look for a longer air stone. Mine does seem a bit puny.

What do you mean plant 12 inches from the "flip"?

Thanks again!
 
You've missed a little bit here wildjim. Did some supercropping on pc, she took it well. Other than that just shop talk. Can't wait to see them fnv girls. I'll be ordering a pack in another week or so. Talked to my guy and got his head in the right place so I don't have to be a dick about seeds. Can't wait to see what they do for you
 
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