Pawpaw Medicine Tent 2.0 Perpetual Grow Journal

meet my friend Bill👩‍🚒
he had a fire one day🔥
he tried to put it out🧯
But not before it burned his girls he loved so much ❤️‍🔥
But now when ever there is a problem Just call fire marshall Bill 🚒🧑‍🚒
Just dial 1-800- GET- BILL 🚒⛑️
Good morning Amigo.:high-five:
Next time your hair is on fire at least you know where to go. :rofl:
Take care.




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 😎
 
here is a update the Gnats are about taken care of :rip: and Im getting close to the end of the stretch here is a pic of the first day I flipped to 12/12
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and here is today
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the 21st day is about 5 days away she filled up pretty good Ill do my day 21 clearing getting rid of the little scraggles under the net and make sure I have good air flow thru the canopy I belive this one is going to be a tall one as you can see I have a few I need to tuck but other than those the only way to go is up using the stretch to finish filling my net cut about 3 weeks off my grow time My last grow went 17 weeks Im hoping to harvest at 15 weeks but I have a longer flower time due to the strain is very heavy on the Sativa side
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as you can tell I need to do a good cleaning under the net it is so hard to get my crippled ass down there I gotta make sure I got someone around to help me get up off the ground Notice the Yellow bug trap I have like 5 of them hanging under the net between SNS209/T-drops , gnat traps and h2002 with help from Bill 284 and Emily Green green I think them lil feekers are dead but im still on Gnat patrol incase some of the larva lived
 
here is a update the Gnats are about taken care of :rip: and Im getting close to the end of the stretch here is a pic of the first day I flipped to 12/12
20230126_210436.jpg

and here is today
IMG_2810.jpg

the 21st day is about 5 days away she filled up pretty good Ill do my day 21 clearing getting rid of the little scraggles under the net and make sure I have good air flow thru the canopy I belive this one is going to be a tall one as you can see I have a few I need to tuck but other than those the only way to go is up using the stretch to finish filling my net cut about 3 weeks off my grow time My last grow went 17 weeks Im hoping to harvest at 15 weeks but I have a longer flower time due to the strain is very heavy on the Sativa side
IMG_2812.jpg

as you can tell I need to do a good cleaning under the net it is so hard to get my crippled ass down there I g

otta make sure I got someone around to help me get up off the ground Notice the Yellow bug trap I have like 5 of them hanging under the net between SNS209/T-drops , gnat traps and h2002 with help from Bill 284 and Emily Green green I think them lil feekers are dead but im still on Gnat patrol incase some of the larva lived
Those are the biggest sticky traps I've ever seen.
No wonder they catch so many. :rofl:
Garden is Amazing. :welldone:
Bugs didn't bother the ladies at all.
That scrog is perfect. :thumb:
Have a great day. :high-five:




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 😎
 
yeah I was thinking the same thing I put one on bothsides and then use H2002 and swarms would come flying out the pot and into the traps im changin my user name from Savvage61 to "GNAT MASTER" The one plant they got into the roots but man what a bounce back they made
 
I look back at where I am at with this grow. I am unhappy with a few things
1 Never just buy a scrog net that says it is 4 inch squares I learned this lesson hard never by a scrog net for size of squares purchase for NUMBER OF SQUARES they have 49 squares and they have 80 squares I made the mistake of just looking at size they say 49 4" mesh when in facvt this is what we call 6" squares look for the 80 to 100 mesh I missed out on a lot of possible colas beciase I got the bigger mesh all kinds of problems the bigger Mesmes are for the second nety if you need to support your colas

2. Knowe what you are using dont focus on what everyone likes read what every one dislikes. In this case it is my super roots air pruning pots. I heard people complain about Gnats but never really read about them I has a infestation which cost a lot of money and time

3. think what pot layout is going to give easy access and useable footage I didnt and I cost myself 1.5 sqw ft of grow area
now I still think I will have a good grow I got 12 dry OZ last time. my goal was 1 pound with the area I wassted and the loss of sq footage I shot myself in the foot

The only thing I have going for me that will make this a good grow Is the Genetics SSSC genetics will help even out my FEK ups so I wanna shout out to SUPER SATIVA SEED CLUB Keep up the good work with the old school Genetics. I got a REAL UVB light I wernt and spent the money plus I will be using SIPS on my next grow . eventually I will find that sweet spot I have been growing for about a year next year at this time Ill be a even better grower and every year after that Ill get better and then Ill die :rip: . but till I teach my secrets to my kids and grandkids lol
What I am saying is dont give up every grow gets better and you learn more
Stay safe Stay stoned
 
I look back at where I am at with this grow. I am unhappy with a few things
1 Never just buy a scrog net that says it is 4 inch squares I learned this lesson hard never by a scrog net for size of squares purchase for NUMBER OF SQUARES they have 49 squares and they have 80 squares I made the mistake of just looking at size they say 49 4" mesh when in facvt this is what we call 6" squares look for the 80 to 100 mesh I missed out on a lot of possible colas beciase I got the bigger mesh all kinds of problems the bigger Mesmes are for the second nety if you need to support your colas

2. Knowe what you are using dont focus on what everyone likes read what every one dislikes. In this case it is my super roots air pruning pots. I heard people complain about Gnats but never really read about them I has a infestation which cost a lot of money and time

3. think what pot layout is going to give easy access and useable footage I didnt and I cost myself 1.5 sqw ft of grow area
now I still think I will have a good grow I got 12 dry OZ last time. my goal was 1 pound with the area I wassted and the loss of sq footage I shot myself in the foot

The only thing I have going for me that will make this a good grow Is the Genetics SSSC genetics will help even out my FEK ups so I wanna shout out to SUPER SATIVA SEED CLUB Keep up the good work with the old school Genetics. I got a REAL UVB light I wernt and spent the money plus I will be using SIPS on my next grow . eventually I will find that sweet spot I have been growing for about a year next year at this time Ill be a even better grower and every year after that Ill get better and then Ill die :rip: . but till I teach my secrets to my kids and grandkids lol
What I am saying is dont give up every grow gets better and you learn more
Stay safe Stay stoned
Good morning Savvage61 :ciao:
You have that scrog net full by the looks of it.
Don't see anywhere to fit more colas.;)
Too bad you had gnats in your pots.
You could have done well with those air pots.
But it's easier to run a SIP than water pots so I understand your change of method.
Hope the haul blows your expectations out of the water.:yahoo:
Have a great day.
Take care.




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 :cool:
 
Good morning Savvage61 :ciao:
You have that scrog net full by the looks of it.
Don't see anywhere to fit more colas.;)
Too bad you had gnats in your pots.
You could have done well with those air pots.
But it's easier to run a SIP than water pots so I understand your change of method.
Hope the haul blows your expectations out of the water.:yahoo:
Have a great day.
Take care.




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 :cool:
I loved them at first but the gnats took over I mean really took over, If I had realized how bad they would get I would have started treating them on day one. I dont understand why they got so bad when I poured h2002 for the rinse they would swarm out of every hole I put 4 traps around one when I rinsed it, and you saw how big they were , well they filled up every trap. even my 1 liter starter pot in my other tent was infested. Maybe the Fox Farm is like a Gnat smorgasburg I might try them again and do some pre-emptive steps to avoid Gnats. that SNS209 is pretty good stuff along with those t drops Plus I learned about Great White just learning to get mycorrhiza down into the roots is priceless it weill be intresting to see how the roots work out. learning to grow pot is like peeling a onion every grow takes you to a different level. I think thats what they call experience
have a great day buddy :thumb:
 
I loved them at first but the gnats took over I mean really took over, If I had realized how bad they would get I would have started treating them on day one. I dont understand why they got so bad when I poured h2002 for the rinse they would swarm out of every hole I put 4 traps around one when I rinsed it, and you saw how big they were , well they filled up every trap. even my 1 liter starter pot in my other tent was infested. Maybe the Fox Farm is like a Gnat smorgasburg I might try them again and do some pre-emptive steps to avoid Gnats. that SNS209 is pretty good stuff along with those t drops Plus I learned about Great White just learning to get mycorrhiza down into the roots is priceless it weill be intresting to see how the roots work out. learning to grow pot is like peeling a onion every grow takes you to a different level. I think thats what they call experience
have a great day buddy :thumb:
Not saying but just saying, did you cook your soil first. :rolleyes:
Soil has been known to transport the odd egg into a tent.;)




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 😎
 
HEY @ bill284 or @GainesvilleGreen orany one else who might be able to help me with air pots and Gnats I have the organic larva killers and all but what concerns me is standing water I am currently feeding each plant 4 liters/ q/2 gal every 3 to 4 days it is hard to tell if the run off is coming from the bottom of the pot or one of the holes in the pot so I am starting to think Im giving them 2 much water and I wanna let things dry out and cut back to 1 liter/1 qt of water &micro nutes.all the runoff seems like wasted nute even though they will only get 1 liter the microbes will still make sure it gets what it needs and will cut back on standing water. I am thinking im over watering these pots and I want to try cutting it in half. question is there any reasoning to my madness?

Thank in advance :thanks:
 
I loved them at first but the gnats took over I mean really took over, If I had realized how bad they would get I would have started treating them on day one. I dont understand why they got so bad when I poured h2002 for the rinse they would swarm out of every hole I put 4 traps around one when I rinsed it, and you saw how big they were , well they filled up every trap. even my 1 liter starter pot in my other tent was infested. Maybe the Fox Farm is like a Gnat smorgasburg I might try them again and do some pre-emptive steps to avoid Gnats. that SNS209 is pretty good stuff along with those t drops Plus I learned about Great White just learning to get mycorrhiza down into the roots is priceless it weill be intresting to see how the roots work out. learning to grow pot is like peeling a onion every grow takes you to a different level. I think thats what they call experience
have a great day buddy :thumb:
I support my local farm and feed store because they supply FFOF and FFHF at a pretty good price. The only problem is that they set it out on their parking lot on a pallet, so when it rains, it gets wet. That rich soil invariably comes home with bugs.

I have tried everything, from baking it in the oven to immediately applying poisons to the soil. The bugs always won, and if not one, I had the other, and sometimes combinations. Gnats seemed to always appear out of nowhere. I have seen aphids, thrips, leaf miners and spider mites too.

Then I started religiously using @Sierra Natural Science products, and started every grow, every solo cup, every uppot, with SNS-209 as a preventative for bugs. According to instructions, each batch of new soil as I uppotted needed at least 4 consecutive waterings with 209 in it, so basically I give it all the time. I could let up a bit in late veg and bloom by only giving it once a week, but I don't. I enjoy knowing that I am preventing bugs as strongly as I can.

Even with my soil sitting out in the open in a small kids wading pool in my grow area, I no longer have a problem with bugs in the grow room. Open bags of FF products, sealed as best they can be, are no longer a problem. If I ever see a flyer, anywhere, out comes the 203 for a quick spray. Bugs can be beaten without poisons, naturally and organically, and SNS is not something they are able to adapt to like some poisons.

Keep at it. Be ruthless. Don't let the bugs ruin a good soil. Garden like a boss.
 
HEY @ bill284 or @GainesvilleGreen orany one else who might be able to help me with air pots and Gnats I have the organic larva killers and all but what concerns me is standing water I am currently feeding each plant 4 liters/ q/2 gal every 3 to 4 days it is hard to tell if the run off is coming from the bottom of the pot or one of the holes in the pot so I am starting to think Im giving them 2 much water and I wanna let things dry out and cut back to 1 liter/1 qt of water &micro nutes.all the runoff seems like wasted nute even though they will only get 1 liter the microbes will still make sure it gets what it needs and will cut back on standing water. I am thinking im over watering these pots and I want to try cutting it in half. question is there any reasoning to my madness?

Thank in advance :thanks:
As I suspected and Em. has confirmed your soil may have come precharged with insects.
Your watering and pots may have nothing to do with the initial infestation.
I'd water what ever Method and volume is best for your garden and use the sns as suggested.
Hope your having a good weekend my friend. :passitleft:




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 😎
 
I support my local farm and feed store because they supply FFOF and FFHF at a pretty good price. The only problem is that they set it out on their parking lot on a pallet, so when it rains, it gets wet. That rich soil invariably comes home with bugs.

I have tried everything, from baking it in the oven to immediately applying poisons to the soil. The bugs always won, and if not one, I had the other, and sometimes combinations. Gnats seemed to always appear out of nowhere. I have seen aphids, thrips, leaf miners and spider mites too.

Then I started religiously using @Sierra Natural Science products, and started every grow, every solo cup, every uppot, with SNS-209 as a preventative for bugs. According to instructions, each batch of new soil as I uppotted needed at least 4 consecutive waterings with 209 in it, so basically I give it all the time. I could let up a bit in late veg and bloom by only giving it once a week, but I don't. I enjoy knowing that I am preventing bugs as strongly as I can.

Even with my soil sitting out in the open in a small kids wading pool in my grow area, I no longer have a problem with bugs in the grow room. Open bags of FF products, sealed as best they can be, are no longer a problem. If I ever see a flyer, anywhere, out comes the 203 for a quick spray. Bugs can be beaten without poisons, naturally and organically, and SNS is not something they are able to adapt to like some poisons.

Keep at it. Be ruthless. Don't let the bugs ruin a good soil. Garden like a boss.
Thx E'm I started using the 209 with every water I think in my fight to get rid of them I may have over watered leaving lots of standing water then it dawned on me , since i use the spray I mixed up to spray the outside of the pots I might as well hit the standing water Im not catching near as many in the traps But I gotta make sure Im getting that larvae. I need to let them dry out for a few days then ill know if I got them. you are 100% right especially using organics it is better to prevent than battle You taught me some good stuff . I will make it a part of every grow. Thank you very much that's 2 good lessons I learned from you ,How to Water and how to control Gnats, not to mention the times I go back to your Geo Flora Review Thank you your work is appreciated :thanks:
 
As I suspected and Em. has confirmed your soil may have come precharged with insects.
Your watering and pots may have nothing to do with the initial infestation.
I'd water what ever Method and volume is best for your garden and use the sns as suggested.
Hope your having a good weekend my friend. :passitleft:




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 😎
yeah I never thought of that and it makes sense I used those 1 liter air pots with no problems 2-3 times before it was infested bad this time all . but I used the same bags HF and OF From now on Im gonna pre-treat my soil and use that SNS 209 they use rosemary and something else. man when I learn a lesson why do I always learn it the hard way lol I guess learning it the hard way makes sure it isnt forgotten learning by experience really sucks some times

FEKKIN GNATS🪰🪰🪰
 
Hey Sav,
I haven't used FFOF soil. So I can't really comment on it buddy.
But I've used Super soil and had a bad infestation a couple times with knats, think it was during the summer time too.
Had to remove the top couple inches of the soil and dispose of it and apply more soil when the pot was dry.
Higher humidity and over watering causes them to multiply in my experience.

Wonder if you could get a rubber maid container with a lid on it and put your soil into that before using it to kill the larvae?
 
yeah I was just talking about that with my son Im gonna start prer treating the soil with 209 I was blaming the air pots all the time and I think it was the soil ya know I been crying about gnats I havent taken time to stop and smell the FLOWERS i LOST A LITTLE ROOM DUE TO MY AC LAYOUT bUT i ALREADY HAVE COLAS OVER 7 " TALL and a stuck caps button sorry lol I got about 7 weeks left to flower I think I may wide up with a hi-rise scrog this is what it is all about



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I lost a lot of grow room due to the AC unit But If I use SIPs I gain 3 inches and Im trying to figure How to get 4-6 inces more inches in height Then the Ac goes completely under the net and I get all that room back. Plus it will allow me to get easier access under canopy I have some issues from my days in the army 40 yrs ago and my mobility aint what it use to be Thats why Im growing Sativas this time not only do they help with the pain they add Focus and energy and really help get things done When I smoke a good indica I aint doing squat I just become comfortably numb in plain terms I get stupid and couch locked
 
yeah I was just talking about that with my son Im gonna start prer treating the soil with 209 I was blaming the air pots all the time and I think it was the soil ya know I been crying about gnats I havent taken time to stop and smell the FLOWERS i LOST A LITTLE ROOM DUE TO MY AC LAYOUT bUT i ALREADY HAVE COLAS OVER 7 " TALL and a stuck caps button sorry lol I got about 7 weeks left to flower I think I may wide up with a hi-rise scrog this is what it is all about



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I lost a lot of grow room due to the AC unit But If I use SIPs I gain 3 inches and Im trying to figure How to get 4-6 inces more inches in height Then the Ac goes completely under the net and I get all that room back. Plus it will allow me to get easier access under canopy I have some issues from my days in the army 40 yrs ago and my mobility aint what it use to be Thats why Im growing Sativas this time not only do they help with the pain they add Focus and energy and really help get things done When I smoke a good indica I aint doing squat I just become comfortably numb in plain terms I get stupid and couch locked
I can see how you would have difficulty feeding the back plants.
Even if you run pots next time you can still go above the ac.
You might want to think about coco.
I've never had insects or eggs in my coco.
Sounds like soil has a predilection for them. :rolleyes:
Hope your weekend is going well.
Take care.




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 😎
 
I almost went with coco whe I got soil I I almost got the hipro (that is coco right?) I wanted to talk to you about what I need to change? Ill learn more about from when I get done with 240 lb of soil I got luckily is is from a diffrent source but I am still filling the pots and treating the soil check these outs

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THATS GNAT FUNNY 🪰 bUT THE GOOD NEWS BETWEEN NUKING MY PLANTS WITH SNS 209 AND t-TOPs
mY NEW TRAPS HAVER 0 GNATS BATTLE WON BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WAR? Im gonna keep treating with both once a week for a while and @Bill284 I got another load of DUNKS and broken each one 1into 4 pieces to set in my drip tray which will take care of the standing water P)lants are making a big comeback. it is hard to getting use to seeing those small Sativa leaves but even with my loss room I tyhing I have a lot of colas well I got 2-3 weeks before I start stressing on UVB lights but GNATS ALL FOR NOW FOLKS 🪰
 
I almost went with coco whe I got soil I I almost got the hipro (that is coco right?) I wanted to talk to you about what I need to change? Ill learn more about from when I get done with 240 lb of soil I got luckily is is from a diffrent source but I am still filling the pots and treating the soil check these outs

IMG_2845.jpg
IMG_2844.jpg
IMG_2838.jpg

THATS GNAT FUNNY 🪰 bUT THE GOOD NEWS BETWEEN NUKING MY PLANTS WITH SNS 209 AND t-TOPs
mY NEW TRAPS HAVER 0 GNATS BATTLE WON BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WAR? Im gonna keep treating with both once a week for a while and @Bill284 I got another load of DUNKS and broken each one 1into 4 pieces to set in my drip tray which will take care of the standing water P)lants are making a big comeback. it is hard to getting use to seeing those small Sativa leaves but even with my loss room I tyhing I have a lot of colas well I got 2-3 weeks before I start stressing on UVB lights but GNATS ALL FOR NOW FOLKS 🪰
You a bug farmer? :rofl:
Your lucky you put that soil in air pots.
That much root damage can be detrimental.
But the airpots kept making new roots.
Keeping your girls healthy in a stressful situation.
Even though they were munching on them the garden is fantastic .
It may be a lesson learned but it wasn’t disastrous.
Better than mites or hermies.:rolleyes:
Keep up the good fight.
Take care.
Talk soon.




#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 😎
 
@Bill284 can we have a Bill learning moment ? Im gonna start puttin you on the spot in this journal lol
What do I need to do diffrent if I go to coco
is Hypro mix all I need to get? if not what do I need to add?
What are some pros and cons
Ya got me hooked But shhhhh my ole lady cant find out lol
 
@Bill284 can we have a Bill learning moment ? Im gonna start puttin you on the spot in this journal lol
I'm always around any time you need anything. :high-five:
What do I need to do diffrent if I go to coco
If you run Coco in bokashi , frass & DYNOMYCO you will need to increase your cured pot storage space. :rofl:
Sorry can't help myself sometimes, hehe.
You can use just about any nutrient available.
Doesn't have to be Hydro or Coco specific.
The main difference is daily feeding.
So an economical nutrient line is helpful.
The easiest is granular.
Fill the pots with it and give water.
Top dress when necessary.
As long as the nutrients are available in the pot, plain water isn't good otherwise.
Here is the other thing PH.
Theoretically you need to religiously set it at 5.8, which is easy enough to do.
Prior to this summer i was concrete on that fact.
But I ran high 7's all summer without a single issue at all.
So I'm trying to prove my theory that microbes and fungi that feed my roots aren't as ph sensitive.
Just a theory so far.
So I still recommend 5.8 ph in coco, but I'm trying to disprove that.
is Hypro mix all I need to get? if not what do I need to add?
Sorry calmag first in your water is mandatory in coco.
Thats it, regular nutrients at 5.8 ph are fine.
What are some pros and cons
Pros
No nutrient issues.
No guessing what your plants need.
Feed full strength nutrients according to the schedule to start.
When you learn to read the plants you can feed them exactly what they need when they need it.
They will uptake the nutrients immediately and react as expected.
You have total control of your garden, your not waiting a week to see if what you fed has a positive effect.
There is no worrying did I put enough this or that in my soil.
Will it be enough to get her through? Naa, none of that shite.:Namaste:
Ooh I needed more fish guts or less bat crap that time, fek no.
Simply feed your girls what they need and reap the reward.
Also growing in soil is slow, face it.
You can see daily growth in coco.
Measure your garden in the morning then at night, you can log a daily difference.
Soil would be a weekly measurement.
Your veg time can be reduced by 1/3 or you can just grow bigger plants.
Ya got me hooked But shhhhh my ole lady cant find out lol
Also I have never gotten any pests or eggs in a bag of coco.
None of that stress or worry.
Feed your garden daily and enjoy.
There are tons of easy auto watering systems to make the task quicker if your concerned.
I ran 55 girls, harvest every 4 weeks all in coco. For years and years. All fed by hand.
I had a 700 litre storage capacity with a pump and garden hose and wand.
But i did every girl every day by hand.
I had a routine and it didn't take long when i needed to rush.
I tried soil and promix aswell.:rolleyes:
Straight and Bill284 Method with both, in various pots.
Logged every plant, every harvest every thing, hehe.
For years, harvest every 4 weeks.
You can really accumulate some good data doing this.
Especially with my volume.
55 didn't include the clone and small veg room.
So there might have been 100 total at some points.
By far best quality and quantity was coco ala Bill284 Method.
Unfortunately all my notes were lost in the fire.
Heartbreaking the amount of trials and tribulations I went through to perfect this method.
But the research was sound and results were noticeably different.
Making some minor changes to the way your girls are potted can make a massive change in the final result.
Any aspect of my potting method will improve your grow.
Using every aspect of my method will massively improve your grow.
Cons.
Mm let's see.
Cramps from trimming so much pot.
Running out of room to store your pot.
I'm sure there's a few others , you get the point.
But seriously there's a possible increase in cost and time required to tend your garden, that's it.
Extra perlite too.
Same lights, nutrients, pots........... etc etc...
Just set ph and feed daily.
Once you try it you will dump your soil in the back yard.
And never want to look at it again.
I may be a touch biased so grain of salt in all.;)
Good Morning :ciao:



#VIVOSUN #Love What You Grow
Bill284 😎
 
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