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Patient's Grows
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Anybody who tuned in to my "patient's 2020" saw me throw together a bucket of junk (sardines, compost, and molasses). That bucket was haphazardly concocted before full research was executed. I found out leaving junk to rot in a bucket does not make a fertilizer. Hahaha.
After a month of leaving it be, i opened it to the smell of a rotting garbage can. Terrible and i would not put that on ANY plant. I read about Lactobacillus. Amazing stuff. Its an anaerobic bacteria that colonizes a culture and keeps "bad pathogens" from thriving.
I isolated my culture a month ago. It made a ton. I only needed half of it, so i poured the rest in to my "bucket o' junk" and compost pile.
After a month i cracked that bucket.
it looks gruesome. I assure you that i could not smell a thing from that bucket. This is now...FAA. Fish Amino Acid. This is supposed to be a ripper of a fertilizer for vegetative growth. I have a couple test subjects that could use a fertilizer boost. Film at 11.
After a month of leaving it be, i opened it to the smell of a rotting garbage can. Terrible and i would not put that on ANY plant. I read about Lactobacillus. Amazing stuff. Its an anaerobic bacteria that colonizes a culture and keeps "bad pathogens" from thriving.
I isolated my culture a month ago. It made a ton. I only needed half of it, so i poured the rest in to my "bucket o' junk" and compost pile.
After a month i cracked that bucket.
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Well...i find i start a ton of entries like this. All due to the crap storm that is life right now. I am lucky and blessed and it always seems to work out. So...anxiety aside...my lights are being shipped. Yay. We are leaving Friday. Lights arrive the following Wednesday. Hahahaha. I got my brother in town agreeing to pick them up. I also have a neighbor i give clones to for outdoor grows. I mean RIGHT next door. So, he will probably be my go to regarding retrieving these lights when they show up.
I am only getting 1 TSW2000 light (+TS600) right now. The 2nd (TSW2000) will be ordered around July. Come August, the outbuilding will be PACKED! Well, it might be too much. Designing it will be critical to maximize room and keep the whole procedure within a 7'×7'.
With a 3'×6' flower chewing up the majority, a 2'×2' veg section and Bonsai section? I am going to have to leave the room to change my mind. The small area should prove to be easily cooled and heated. This whole process needs to draw under 15 amps in the building. These new LEDs should make this possible.
This "amp problem" is what has kept me from growing in there. All i had was a 1000w HPS, which is perfect in the dead of winter. Once temps warm up around April, the grow has to stop due to heat. That should also change as well.
I am only getting 1 TSW2000 light (+TS600) right now. The 2nd (TSW2000) will be ordered around July. Come August, the outbuilding will be PACKED! Well, it might be too much. Designing it will be critical to maximize room and keep the whole procedure within a 7'×7'.
With a 3'×6' flower chewing up the majority, a 2'×2' veg section and Bonsai section? I am going to have to leave the room to change my mind. The small area should prove to be easily cooled and heated. This whole process needs to draw under 15 amps in the building. These new LEDs should make this possible.
This "amp problem" is what has kept me from growing in there. All i had was a 1000w HPS, which is perfect in the dead of winter. Once temps warm up around April, the grow has to stop due to heat. That should also change as well.
I believe you are handy based on your writings so far, just a thought but turn the circuit off and pull the cover to verify the wire size to the shed. Skinny 14 gauge is rated for 15 amps and 12 gauge is to defend the house from terrorist jackrabbits umm- err, I mean the more beefy 12 gauge is rated for 20 amps. You don’t want to step up to larger circuit breaker as the circuit breakers whole job is to protect the conductor from overheating.
A lot depends on the age of the home and when the wiring was installed to the shed but maybe the electrician only had 15 amp breakers in the truck and it never got corrected
A lot depends on the age of the home and when the wiring was installed to the shed but maybe the electrician only had 15 amp breakers in the truck and it never got corrected
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No bro. As of right now, i have a 15 amp extension cord running it. I used it to run my 1000w HPS and 6" inline fan one year. It works and that is what i have to deal with until i decide to run actual power to it with a conduit and such. The grow has to move in, pronto. Sooner the better. Our living room is a mess of toys! Those need their own room. So does our 2 yr old. So...its an extension cord running it. Big beefy cord rated at 15 amps.
Where’s the barf reaction when I need one!!Anybody who tuned in to my "patient's 2020" saw me throw together a bucket of junk (sardines, compost, and molasses). That bucket was haphazardly concocted before full research was executed. I found out leaving junk to rot in a bucket does not make a fertilizer. Hahaha.
After a month of leaving it be, i opened it to the smell of a rotting garbage can. Terrible and i would not put that on ANY plant. I read about Lactobacillus. Amazing stuff. Its an anaerobic bacteria that colonizes a culture and keeps "bad pathogens" from thriving.
I isolated my culture a month ago. It made a ton. I only needed half of it, so i poured the rest in to my "bucket o' junk" and compost pile.
After a month i cracked that bucket.it looks gruesome. I assure you that i could not smell a thing from that bucket. This is now...FAA. Fish Amino Acid. This is supposed to be a ripper of a fertilizer for vegetative growth. I have a couple test subjects that could use a fertilizer boost. Film at 11.
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@Backlipslide strangest thing. It works. Now i just need to bite the bullet and apply it to a plant.
Roger that big guy! Figured you had it covered but just checking in on the situation, trying to help a brother out. I’m digging that home brew fish fert and may cook a batch here, reps on putting that together
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@013
I very much appreciate the consideration and attention to safety. As well as trying to potentially trouble shoot a critical factor to a successful grow. This is all great stuff.
That home brew? Odd. Speechless. Now the efficacy of the fert needs to be determined. Perhaps i will add it to a few plants around the house to see. If no ill effects, my fert regimen has totally changed. Well, maybe just how i obtain it. I am a staunch proponent of Kellogg's All Purpose (fish,kelp&molasses). That particular fert is exactly what i was after in pursuing this FAA (fish amino acid). I had no idea what i was after while seeking an organic all purpose fert. This "bucket" is one of them.
The next thing i will be investigating is fermented fruit juice and fermented plant juice. I need to find a cheap source of brown sugar. That stuff is ubiquitous with Korean Natural Farming. Who knew this is where my grows would take me.
I very much appreciate the consideration and attention to safety. As well as trying to potentially trouble shoot a critical factor to a successful grow. This is all great stuff.
That home brew? Odd. Speechless. Now the efficacy of the fert needs to be determined. Perhaps i will add it to a few plants around the house to see. If no ill effects, my fert regimen has totally changed. Well, maybe just how i obtain it. I am a staunch proponent of Kellogg's All Purpose (fish,kelp&molasses). That particular fert is exactly what i was after in pursuing this FAA (fish amino acid). I had no idea what i was after while seeking an organic all purpose fert. This "bucket" is one of them.
The next thing i will be investigating is fermented fruit juice and fermented plant juice. I need to find a cheap source of brown sugar. That stuff is ubiquitous with Korean Natural Farming. Who knew this is where my grows would take me.
johnnystackz
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nothing beats some good ole fish poo in that fert. just sayinn 
This is killer stuff, I’ve heard of Kellogs name being dropped before but have never looked into it further. I use off the shelf fish fert goo but the natural method you employ sounds so much better, I’ve got lakes nearby although fish aren’t very active here now in colder weather but it’s still something I’d like to try,
I’ve read a bit about KNF and FPJ but not fermented fruit juice. You are light years ahead of me with all your tricks and breeding so it’s really great to have another mentor to read from
I’ve read a bit about KNF and FPJ but not fermented fruit juice. You are light years ahead of me with all your tricks and breeding so it’s really great to have another mentor to read from
johnnystackz
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Koi to be specfic, good ole koi poo does wonders. Kois vitamins in the poo is good plus ph is rather right on too. Ultimately that is what Id use come summer time. Right now i dont want to store that in a container as i have no where to put it but if you have a shed or some place to store it, id go for it. Normally thats a super soil base for outdoor grows. Indoor I stay away from anything stinky
johnnystackz
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@Patient puffer one investigation to the next you’ll get your mix down to the T
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@013
Not quite a mentor. Humbly, i am learning this stuff. I am an eternal student. Posting it and it's terribly unorganized. (Wretch) It's coming together. This new start with the new lights is going to be a rough one. I have no soil mixed. I do super soil. I will post my mix here in a second. My ferts are changing. I need to dial in an indoor grow while learning Korean farming techniques?! Wha? Hahaha. Learn from my mistakes as i go along.
best advice yet.
@johnnystackz
I usually run a super soil that is probably a bit overboard. ...okay it's a tad too much nitrogen but ehh...it worked well this year. This tweekin'...sorry i meant "tweaking", is coming down to learning this Korean stuff. It's not very popular and i am beginning to wonder if the reason for it's obscurity is due to the effects are not as great as bottles and SuperSoil?Or if its really just a mess and most people don't want to mess with it? I will keep posting my stuff here and i will be new to these aspects of growing and the content will be typed as a novice learning this stuff.
Soil...
-Nitrogen
Blood meal - quick release
Alflafa - quick release
Neem Seed Meal - slow release
Feather Meal - slow release
-Phophorous
Sea Bird Guano - quick release
Fish Bone Meal - slow release
Rock Phophate - slow release
-Potassium
Langbeinite - slow release
Kelp Meal - slow release
Green Sand - super slow release
-Micronutrients
Azomite
When i mix my soil...the amounts are calculated to volume. Pretty easy math. It comes out to about 2 Tbsp of each (4 Tbsp for alfalfa) for cu. ft. (7 gal)
+Humic acids, Dolomite Lime, Rabbit pellets (food), Brewers Yeast (amino acids), Compost, Earth Worm Castings, Chicken Manure
I have added stuff after my researches have uncovered some kind of info stating benficial effects from universities and their studies. Usually acquired from the NCBI sight. Other things like bat guano have been dumped due to potential sustainability issues and habitat.
But now...if i do this Korean farming approach i may be dumping the super soil thing.
I love my super soil.
Not quite a mentor. Humbly, i am learning this stuff. I am an eternal student. Posting it and it's terribly unorganized. (Wretch) It's coming together. This new start with the new lights is going to be a rough one. I have no soil mixed. I do super soil. I will post my mix here in a second. My ferts are changing. I need to dial in an indoor grow while learning Korean farming techniques?! Wha? Hahaha. Learn from my mistakes as i go along.
best advice yet. @johnnystackz
I usually run a super soil that is probably a bit overboard. ...okay it's a tad too much nitrogen but ehh...it worked well this year. This tweekin'...sorry i meant "tweaking", is coming down to learning this Korean stuff. It's not very popular and i am beginning to wonder if the reason for it's obscurity is due to the effects are not as great as bottles and SuperSoil?Or if its really just a mess and most people don't want to mess with it? I will keep posting my stuff here and i will be new to these aspects of growing and the content will be typed as a novice learning this stuff.
Soil...
-Nitrogen
Blood meal - quick release
Alflafa - quick release
Neem Seed Meal - slow release
Feather Meal - slow release
-Phophorous
Sea Bird Guano - quick release
Fish Bone Meal - slow release
Rock Phophate - slow release
-Potassium
Langbeinite - slow release
Kelp Meal - slow release
Green Sand - super slow release
-Micronutrients
Azomite
When i mix my soil...the amounts are calculated to volume. Pretty easy math. It comes out to about 2 Tbsp of each (4 Tbsp for alfalfa) for cu. ft. (7 gal)
+Humic acids, Dolomite Lime, Rabbit pellets (food), Brewers Yeast (amino acids), Compost, Earth Worm Castings, Chicken Manure
I have added stuff after my researches have uncovered some kind of info stating benficial effects from universities and their studies. Usually acquired from the NCBI sight. Other things like bat guano have been dumped due to potential sustainability issues and habitat.
But now...if i do this Korean farming approach i may be dumping the super soil thing.
I love my super soil.
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24 hours and my lights arrive! I am 3 states over! Hahahahaha. I love my neighbors. They gonna grab them for me.
They gonna grab them for me.
Not before I do!! Muwahahahaha!! Lol just playing! Hope you’re enjoying you’re get away!
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I be trippin'! I already have anxiety and compound that with my love of sativas AND new lights coming in? I am an uber high alert. I may get an ulcer over this one. (kidding)...
7 PM this kid has me out playing frisbee and soccer. Its freezing. We are waking up to 10°f. That is down right cold. We got the -20° washer fluid to protect our washer lines. They rupture out here at night with regular water in them. Californians don't belong here.
You know what though? Their electric bills are really low for what this property runs. Idaho looks pretty attractive to an indoor grower.
(kidding)...7 PM this kid has me out playing frisbee and soccer. Its freezing. We are waking up to 10°f. That is down right cold. We got the -20° washer fluid to protect our washer lines. They rupture out here at night with regular water in them. Californians don't belong here.
You know what though? Their electric bills are really low for what this property runs. Idaho looks pretty attractive to an indoor grower.
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My brother got my little veg light and my neighbor grabbed my flower light for me. They are safe. We are still in Idaho, but we are leaving tomorrow to get back to California. Shopping starts for the room.
We are still in Idaho, but we are leaving tomorrow to get back to California. Shopping starts for the room.
My brother got my little veg light and my neighbor grabbed my flower light for me. They are safe.
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Microbial Phophate Solubilization...that's right. Well...doing research in to this Lactobacillus that i made, i ran across some information regarding it's ability to break down rock phosphate. Wild. Reading more i took my search to NCBI and ran across quite a lengthy read. It is talking about how we have a bunch of insoluble phosphates, both organic and inorganic, locked up in our soil. PSM's are Phophate Solubilizing Microbes. Bacillus is one of them. Fungi are also represented as a PSM as well. One worth mentioning is Trichoderma. If you have been around cannabis long enough, you have heard of this stuff. Trichoderma can be farmed in the rice wash i did making my Lactobacillus. We take the rice and place in a mesh bag and place outdoors in the garden. I need to read more on Trichoderma. For now, if this topic has your interest piqued as mine is, here is the link. It is FAR too long to copy.
NCBI is a very informative site that has a ton of agricultural studies posted.
Microbial Phosphorus Solubilization and Its Potential for Use in Sustainable Agriculture - PMC
The use of excess conventional Phosphorus (P) fertilizers to improve agricultural productivity, in order to meet constantly increasing global food demand, potentially causes surface and ground water pollution, waterway eutrophication, soil fertility ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
NCBI is a very informative site that has a ton of agricultural studies posted.
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