P-91 - CFL 12Pack - SCROG - DWC 1st Grow

[George Parker]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Well the book says that you don't want to get into 100% trich's as that's a late harvest.

You could be right, the early stress could've caused a chemical imbalance requiring not only therapy but a regimen of meds to ease the pain

You know those Olson twins!!

Go with your gut...check the trichs and see how you feel..I think a bud check, smoke check is definitely the call here.

I haven't cause I didn't experience anything like this and mine appear to be right on time.



btw..I love being here brotha!!

Thanks brother I needed to laugh right now!

OK, so two things...

1st, I got ahold of the grower, it's a 60 DAY flower. He said it's a little early for Ashley but that it's fine. He said the ambering is pretty much normal from this strain and that he usually chops closer to the 60-70% range on amber, so I should be good for a few weeks or until the trichs get into range. Guess that explains why the P91 he grows knocks me on my butt. Mary-Kate is right on schedule I guess, which means I should start the Overdrive and the Bud Candy next feeding.

2nd, Using Pharmer's hot plate quick dry method I was able to sample Ashleys buds. Taste was not great but damn, she's a STRONG mo-fo. It's not like the last accidental sample I took. This hits you in the head then melts it down your face like that guy in Raiders of The Lost Ark and then makes your body heavy. A few weeks and a cure... This is gonna be some killer smoke

Thanks you guys for all your help. I was sweating like a whore in church!

Oh, and I guess my exhaust is working really well. The nug I brought down to dry and smoke stunk my whole kitchen up in 2 minutes.. Along with my bedroom, hallway and stairs

 

[MacGyver]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Hey MG, thanks for your thoughts, it's appreciated

I feel like everything I've learned has left my brain. I could probably figure out California's budget problems easier than I could this. Of course I wasn't prepared to start harvesting in the fifth week of flower either.

Just so my spinning head can understand, prune the bottom 1/4 of the plant and leave the main tops? I would think I could hold out until next weekend to chop the whole girl plus that would give me more time to flush anyway.

I'm not trying to be lazy but when does the amount of amber trichs pass the point where the THC starts going south? I'm going to read up on it...

Thanks my friend, reps to you if I can

-dime

Hey man...I believe this to be true...You are better waiting until your girls have lots of red pistils like 1/2 of them. You won't lose any THC by waiting. It depends what kind of "high" you prefer. If you like head high. Take it now. If you prefer a "knock me on me arse" then you have time my friend. I believe it is best to grow plants according to the high you prefer. For example...If you prefer a "knock me on me arse" then you should grow an indica dominant plant. Same on the other hand...you want a energy/head high you may want to grow a sativa. Of coarse there are lots of hybrids and pheno's out there but basically grow to what you prefer. The plants will achieve top growth and produce the high that is preferred.

anyway...rambling man....sorry.

About the trimming...All I did was snip the lower/smaller buds off. Use a sharp scissors and cut the bud stem off as close to the next node as possible. I wouldn't take the whole bottom stems off. Just the immediate stems the buds are attached to. They will hardly notice it. Give em a day or two and you should see a nice swell. Hope I can help man...



MG

 

[George Parker]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Ramble away my friend . Although I wouldn't say ramble, more like sharing good knowledge. You have helped for sure, reps are sent.

When I was looking for clones, I saw P91 and said,"Hey, I remember that... Thought it was long gone". I hadn't seen it since the mid 90's so I was like, "I wanna grow that!". It does appear to be on the Sativa side of the Hybrid for sure. I really want to grow an Indica next but I also have a bunch of Pineapple Express seeds too. Ahh, decisions, decisions

Thanks MG!

 

[420fied]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Hey man...I believe this to be true...You are better waiting until your girls have lots of red pistils like 1/2 of them. You won't lose any THC by waiting. It depends what kind of "high" you prefer. If you like head high. Take it now. If you prefer a "knock me on me arse" then you have time my friend. I believe it is best to grow plants according to the high you prefer. For example...If you prefer a "knock me on me arse" then you should grow an indica dominant plant. Same on the other hand...you want a energy/head high you may want to grow a sativa. Of coarse there are lots of hybrids and pheno's out there but basically grow to what you prefer. The plants will achieve top growth and produce the high that is preferred.

anyway...rambling man....sorry.

About the trimming...All I did was snip the lower/smaller buds off. Use a sharp scissors and cut the bud stem off as close to the next node as possible. I wouldn't take the whole bottom stems off. Just the immediate stems the buds are attached to. They will hardly notice it. Give em a day or two and you should see a nice swell. Hope I can help man...



MG

I'm not trying to contradict your advice but I think it should be noted that the color of the pistils have little to do with whether the plant is ready to harvest or not. The only way to tell is to look at the trichs.

I'd never recommend harvesting plants this early or even close to this early, no matter what type of buzz you're looking for.

 

[George Parker]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Well, I went back and pulled up a pic of the P91 I had purchased a while back to see what a mature bud should resemble, I still have a ways to go...

Nug from the same family of plants the clones came from.

I really do appreciate all of the help from you guys. I guess as a new grower I really overreacted, sorry for that. There isn't much data to reference with this strain which has made the simplest of things somewhat hard.

I'll be trying to time my harvest for around a 70% amber / 30% cloudy trich coloring. This should give them enough time to swell and get a flush in before that time. I know my big girl will go longer so I will be switching up their individual nute and water schedules from here until the end.

After lights-on, I'm going to check them from top to bottom. I will also be taking better notes and a shit-load of pics to see each days trich progression.

A big to all of you.

 

[Barry Manilow]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Glad you got that sorted out dime! Onwards and upwards

 

[Mr. Krip]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

I agree, DIME! Good things come to those who wait! Did I ever PM you that article on when to harvest? If not, let me know and I will!

 

[George Parker]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Glad you got that sorted out dime! Onwards and upwards

Hey Blue thanks, I'm just gonna roll the dice and see what happens

I agree, DIME! Good things come to those who wait! Did I ever PM you that article on when to harvest? If not, let me know and I will!

I'm just gonna keep going and when they tell me they're ready they are getting chopped and Also, I would love to have that article, thanks!

Well after a thorough inspection I have discovered that only a few of the leaves are actually showing amber trichs.. not all of them

So.. here are some pics of the ladies...

 

[MacGyver]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

I'm not trying to contradict your advice but I think it should be noted that the color of the pistils have little to do with whether the plant is ready to harvest or not. The only way to tell is to look at the trichs.

I'd never recommend harvesting plants this early or even close to this early, no matter what type of buzz you're looking for.

Hey man...never meant to say you should harvest based on that. Now that I've read it again it seems as though that is what I'm saying. That is usually what they will look like when they are ready is what I mean. The pistils will also start curling into the flower. Of coarse you should check for harvest based on trichiome colour. But I think a lot of people get confused on what they actually should be looking at. You should only be scoping the larger trichiomes and the ones in the bud not on the larger bud leaves...the leaves go amber sooner. There are many tell-tale signs of a finished plant and they should all be considered before harves imo. Trichiomes scoping is one thing...If you have amber trichs and your plant looks totally immature sometimes they wont change for a while suspend until the flowers thicken before they progress again...Especially in late trimming situations...then you should also include those other tell tale signs and I don't see that plant is there yet. Just thought I'd clear that up...I probably should have been more clear on that before.

Thanks for the clarification though 420fied. I think we can agree we all want to see each other do well. For that reason what you did there by correcting something is what it's all about. Know what I'm sayin'?

BTW Dime...That pic of the bud from '07 i think you said. Looks really nice man.

 

[OldMedMan]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Hey DIME.

My two cents. Get a Radio shack Microscope for 20 bucks and get a really good view of the tricks. Your sure that way.

As for couch lock, 50% amber will do it. You probably know all this already, but....

 

[Giantsfan24]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

I'm not trying to contradict your advice but I think it should be noted that the color of the pistils have little to do with whether the plant is ready to harvest or not. The only way to tell is to look at the trichs.

I'd never recommend harvesting plants this early or even close to this early, no matter what type of buzz you're looking for.

I harvested my hempy experiment early and she gives this incredible cerebral stone that is just amazing...a little harsh still..she's curing..

I saw that hempy looked really cool so I added a plant in about 20 days after the girls I've got going now and harvested her about 3 weeks ago, she's been curing 2 weeks tomorrow.

While essentially I agree, I wouldn't harvest that early on purpose unless I had to, the smoke came out pretty strong considering. It's a purple trash strain..

 

[George Parker]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Thanks to all of you for all of your help, support and suggestions. There is no shortage of kindness and knowledge from all of you. I feel so fortunate to have this much support and I am truly happy I decided to become a member of this fantastic site

I'm a bit embarrassed for reacting the way I did and freaking out. Sorry about that.

With that being said... let's get back to the grow!

Since I'm sort of winging it right now with this strain, I've decided to follow the flowering schedule of the only person I know who is growing it. Of course I will adjust as needed but that's the name of the game right? After hours of reading and the solid information you guys have given me, I'm going to hold out as long as I can but treat them as an 8 week flower right now. This will allow for ~4 more weeks of growth.

After some rest and some good meds a thorough check of the trichs on the buds revealed a ton of CLEAR trichomes. The amber is isolated to a few of the sugar leaves... Doh!

Now I'm waiting till the buds eat the damn pistils!

I'll get an update up tonight... Girls got some Bud Candy and I also started the Overdrive. I figured if flower goes past 8 weeks I'll just flush a bit longer and let the buds eat the leaves. I don't care if they're supermodels at harvest, I'd rather have great tasting and truly mature buds. Now I just hope I'm right

Thanks again guys and feel free to tell me I'm crazy if it needs to be said

 

[George Parker]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Well I don't have pics as I'm heading to bed early tonight but you can bet they'll be some up tomorrow

I had read something about using the Overdrive for longer than 2 weeks that stated it would continue to increase size smell and potency of the buds but it was on my phone and now I can't find the damn article.

I went on AN's site and found this:

Increased nutrient uptake
Increased photosynthesis and energy
Increased cell expansion and replication for larger flowers
Increased creation of internal floral structures and compounds for increased aroma, taste, potency and market value
Increased resistance to drought, heat, stress, diseases, pests and end stage exhaustion due to folic acid and other ingredients
Potential 9-23% gains in harvest weight and size during last trimester of growth

The graph is what interested me most, as the size and weight looks to increase past 7 weeks

Has anyone used OD past week 5 and 6...say weeks 5-8 on a 10 week strain? It seems as if the only reason to stop is so you can flush on time. Wouldn't it continue to give benefits and keep increasing overall bud development in longer flowering strains ?

Same key ingredients as Budswel minus the Magnesium (I have that from the Cal-Mag) which can be used up until harvest... beyond weeks 5 and 6.

Overdrive

I would think if you could use it longer, you'd get some football size buds on your plants. This may just be some stoner logic though

 

[Purple Goose]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

In my grow I am growing 8 week strains but the breeder says given an extra week they gain much more weight as well as resin so far I fed big bud up to week 5 and then over drive has been used for weeks 6 and 7 and just starting into week 8 so will see stay posted to the end and we should see decent results . But at Advanced nutrients you can use there calculator to choose the hobbyist system just add the weeks you had in question and it will show you how long to feed big bud for and how long to feed overdrive but as a rule of thumb you will use 3 1L bottles of big bud in the time you will use 1 1L bottle of overdrive I only mention this because with the new ppm perfect products it seems they will be best value when able to buy each one individually because if you look at the hobbyist kit you get enough big bud for 2 crops and enough over driver for 6 crops and enough voodoo juice for 2 crops so its prolly best to buy those products in ratios so everything will run out together.

 

[George Parker]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Thank you Cateros, that puts my mind a bit more at ease... I'm watching your grow closely

Yesterday I spent some much needed time with my family and got to watch my kids scramble for Easter eggs so today I give you...

UPDATE TIME! Pics and....a video!

Day 37 of 12/12, ~Day 33 of flower.

Girls were thirsty and a the soil was dry yesterday, still around 3 days between waterings. They received their weekly flush and got the following per Gal of RO (1 Gal ea)

Hygrozyme 10ml
Cal-Mag 10ml
Overdrive 8ml
Bud Candy 8ml
Budswel 30ml

Man they swelled up overnight! They are getting some density now

This morning...

Ashley has some trich craziness!

And of course, the HD Video

YouTube - Medical Grow P91 Day 37 of 12/12

 

[Giantsfan24]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Boy those look sweet bro....do you have a little trimming to do?? It looks pretty lush in there...

As always....awesome!

 

[Mr. Krip]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Your girls all look fantastic, DIME! Really great job on the LST! I love how even the canopy is. Just a couple more weeks and I have a hunch we won't be hearing from you in a while...at least not in any intelligible language!

 

[George Parker]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

Boy those look sweet bro....do you have a little trimming to do?? It looks pretty lush in there...

As always....awesome!

Thanks GF, It's hard to tell I trimed them two weeks ago eh? I did trim a few over the weekend that died of natural causes and a few that were not letting air get through the girls... 8 more days until the day 45 trim, but I think I'll be trimming on day 43 (This Sunday) as weekdays are hectic

Your girls all look fantastic, DIME! Really great job on the LST! I love how even the canopy is. Just a couple more weeks and I have a hunch we won't be hearing from you in a while...at least not in any intelligible language!

Thanks Mr, I guess I'll be knee-deep with shears in each hand... I'll teather myself to the grow room to avoid running with scissors.

Seems like the weight of the tops is keeping them even now. I haven't really messed with the LST outside of just shaping them a bit to fit under the light.

Take care guys!

 

[MacGyver]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

They look great man! Love the colours of them buds. They got some time for sure. Should explode for you now. Great job on them Dime.

MG

 

[George Parker]

Re: dirtinmyears P-91, CFL 12-Pack, SCROG, DWC 1st Grow

They look great man! Love the colours of them buds. They got some time for sure. Should explode for you now. Great job on them Dime.

MG

Thanks for the compliments and your help MG

I think now that I know what I'm looking for, I'll be a bit more prepared when I see it