Overlord Does Ethos Mandarin Cookies In High Brix

Graytail said:
:cheesygrinsmiley: So then ... how do you like the Kit so far? :cheesygrinsmiley:

Noice noice, very noice. :bravo:

But did it get hot in there or something? :hmmmm: What's with the cupped older fans?
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I am all in on the kit for sure.

The Taco'd leaves baffle me a bit, according to the gauges it did not get too hot. Humidity went up into the high 70's and I dialed down the humidifier to the point it hasn't run.

I also raised the light as they had grown closer to it.

However I do not know the actual reason, noticed it on my last post. It has not spread to new leaves, but the ones that were affected curled a little more since then.

The majority show no signs of taco'ing, and it seems to be limited to the bigger/older ones.

I am all ears to opinions and/or suggestions.
 
That happened to my grow last time
and I kinda passed it off to the fact I did not raise or lower power on my
on my lights when I switched to Flower HPS?
 
There is a floor heating & cooling register close bye, it is shut off. However the 8" extraction fan sucks air through anyway, and I had turned up the heat a couple of degrees when the temps outside dropped into negative digits.

Wonder if maybe the fan was sucking hot air into the tent and across the plants as it exhausted it out of the room?

Still the temp on the gauges never showed over 78, which is also the temp set for the fan kick to on.
 
Doc has mentioned that when the leaves curl like that it is because they are sprinting and there is a lot of demand on their metabolisms. Give them a super drench at some point to help with the demand. It is either that or your light is too intense. I have been seeing similar leaves lately. I turned half my panels down since the back row seemed to be getting cooked which is odd since my lights should all be putting out the same amount of light.

Your plants really look to be loving life though. You have some nice frost forming for early on bud! :thumb:
 
I read about this several months ago, so I did a quick search and came up with this explanation - basically what I thought. Pests can also cause it, but this is the one that stuck in my mind for future reference. Sometimes we don't realize how bright our lights can be in areas for instance. Combine that with boosted metabolism from a perfect drench and Brix foliar, and water uptake can lag. For me, it signals a heat/transpiration warning, 'cause I rarely get that "my plants are doing too well" situation. :cheesygrinsmiley:

"There are several possible causal factors for physiological leaf roll or cupping. Water relations are suspected in many cases where there has been a reduction in water uptake or increased water demand placed on the plant. The plant responds by rolling the leaves which reduces the surface area exposed to high radiation. High temperatures, excessive pruning, cultivation, and vine moving activities may also trigger leaf rolling. High nitrogen fertility programs followed by moisture stress may also trigger this type of leaf roll. Inadequate calcium moving to leaf margins may also cause a different type of leaf cupping. This is also related to interrupted water movement.

In most cases, yields are not affected by physiological leaf rolling or cupping. However, growers may choose to select varieties that are less susceptible to this disorder."
 
Graytail said:
I read about this several months ago, so I did a quick search and came up with this explanation - basically what I thought. Pests can also cause it, but this is the one that stuck in my mind for future reference. Sometimes we don't realize how bright our lights can be in areas for instance. Combine that with boosted metabolism from a perfect drench and Brix foliar, and water uptake can lag. For me, it signals a heat/transpiration warning, 'cause I rarely get that "my plants are doing too well" situation. :cheesygrinsmiley:

"There are several possible causal factors for physiological leaf roll or cupping. Water relations are suspected in many cases where there has been a reduction in water uptake or increased water demand placed on the plant. The plant responds by rolling the leaves which reduces the surface area exposed to high radiation. High temperatures, excessive pruning, cultivation, and vine moving activities may also trigger leaf rolling. High nitrogen fertility programs followed by moisture stress may also trigger this type of leaf roll. Inadequate calcium moving to leaf margins may also cause a different type of leaf cupping. This is also related to interrupted water movement.

In most cases, yields are not affected by physiological leaf rolling or cupping. However, growers may choose to select varieties that are less susceptible to this disorder."
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It may be related to water uptake, this one is using at least 33% more water according to the tensiometers I have in each pot. That is one reason I used plain RO on them and top watered until it started running into the saucers.

This makes a little more sense, thanks for that post will see if it improves over the next few days.
 
overlord said:
It may be related to water uptake, this one is using at least 33% more water according to the tensiometers I have in each pot. That is one reason I used plain RO on them and top watered until it started running into the saucers.

This makes a little more sense, thanks for that post will see if it improves over the next few days.
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Cool "Tensiometer" quick stop at Wiki

Tensiometer (soil science) - Wikipedia

A new tool THANKS
 
Graytail said:
I read about this several months ago, so I did a quick search and came up with this explanation - basically what I thought. Pests can also cause it, but this is the one that stuck in my mind for future reference. Sometimes we don't realize how bright our lights can be in areas for instance. Combine that with boosted metabolism from a perfect drench and Brix foliar, and water uptake can lag. For me, it signals a heat/transpiration warning, 'cause I rarely get that "my plants are doing too well" situation. :cheesygrinsmiley:

"There are several possible causal factors for physiological leaf roll or cupping. Water relations are suspected in many cases where there has been a reduction in water uptake or increased water demand placed on the plant. The plant responds by rolling the leaves which reduces the surface area exposed to high radiation. High temperatures, excessive pruning, cultivation, and vine moving activities may also trigger leaf rolling. High nitrogen fertility programs followed by moisture stress may also trigger this type of leaf roll. Inadequate calcium moving to leaf margins may also cause a different type of leaf cupping. This is also related to interrupted water movement.

In most cases, yields are not affected by physiological leaf rolling or cupping. However, growers may choose to select varieties that are less susceptible to this disorder."
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Evenin Ol and friends. Thanks for this Gray...very informative ..appreciate.:passitleft:
Have a chillaxin night gang...:joint::joint::joint::joint: Pass these around would ya's.



sent from my DeLorean...in the future!
 
Damn OL! I'm late to the party. I see the gang is all here. Not sure how I missed you, I've seen you around but never realized you were in Doc's Kit until now, I follow mostly Kit journals. I need to go back and read but it looks like you've got this shit down quite nice. That tent is full! M hoping I can fill mine as much with 3 #15's.

Rock on OL!

:theband:
 
weenmeoff said:
Damn OL! I'm late to the party. I see the gang is all here. Not sure how I missed you, I've seen you around but never realized you were in Doc's Kit until now, I follow mostly Kit journals. I need to go back and read but it looks like you've got this shit down quite nice. That tent is full! M hoping I can fill mine as much with 3 #15's.

Rock on OL!

:theband:
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Welcome, and don't fret I stumble across journals all the time thinking "I can't believe I didn't know about this one"

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I'm all caught up now OL. Freakin' Awesome cultivation job! Can't wait to see these ladies finish up.

Rock on!

:theband:
 
Today is Flip +27

The curled leaves stay the same for the ones already with the problem, Don't really see others doing this.

Meant to take a couple of pics just before lights on, but got 1 and the lights fired up lol.

Last watering was plain RO, before that Trans plus tea. The reason I mention this is I was thinking I would start the cat drenches next week.

With that in mind I figured I would water tonight with RO + tea, then the cats.

Anyone see any issue with that?

I will wait a couple hours after posting this before I go in to see if anyone makes a suggestion.

Now for the pictures...

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Thanks for stopping by. :Namaste:
 
overlord said:
Today is Flip +27

The curled leaves stay the same for the ones already with the problem, Don't really see others doing this.

Meant to take a couple of pics just before lights on, but got 1 and the lights fired up lol.

Last watering was plain RO, before that Trans plus tea. The reason I mention this is I was thinking I would start the cat drenches next week.

With that in mind I figured I would water tonight with RO + tea, then the cats.

Anyone see any issue with that?

I will wait a couple hours after posting this before I go in to see if anyone makes a suggestion.
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I am not an expert by any means so not much actual advice to give.
What I do see is a Plant that for what ever reason does not want to loss
any more water through the leafs so she is closing them up.

Just thinking what would or could cause her to be transpiring to much water
out the leafs ?

1) To much Heat - I believe you are good here
2) Lights to close - Also I think has been accounted for
3) to much fan on leafs ?

Any other ways ? if we can eliminate the possible reasons
we should be able to zero in on this.

It is plant specific so what helps with water uptake YUCCA ?

Not much help I know but sometimes just asking questions can
lead to a solution
 
Great evening to ya's...ya, ya know , sometimes it's just a 'wonky' plant. If all others are doing well under same conditions...it's a definite possibility.
Cheers eh!
 
I think you're right on the money OL but I'm sure the more experienced brixxers will chime in.
 
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