nickeluring
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Sorry, when I reread your heading my suggestion seems pretty stupid.
Stick with quadlining, other manifolds take longer veg.
Outdoor Organic Balcony Stealth Quadlining: White Widow/Gorgonzola
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Sorry, when I reread your heading my suggestion seems pretty stupid.
Stick with quadlining, other manifolds take longer veg.
@Stunger if I may?
Niiiick, Nick, Nick, nick, Nick. Don’t come around here trying to pass yourself off as stupid, please. We are kiwis and self-deprecation is genetic here. We are proper berks! You won’t find idiots more idiotic, morons more moronic or a media more mainstream than ours.
While respecting your challenge, we have a title to retain.
Nice try.
nickeluring
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Hahaha, that's so funny!
I have been to your beautiful country, and I must have missed all those stupid people. I ran into a few, but no more than usual...but thanks, mate. I appreciate it.
You were being helpful. That’s awesome. And you were right! Win, win.Hahaha, that's so funny!
I have been to your beautiful country, and I must have missed all those stupid people. I ran into a few, but no more than usual...but thanks, mate. I appreciate it.
Emeraldo
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This last grow I only made a single cut/pruning of the plants (the initial topping) and left everything to grow out so I could start using the weaker bud for early sampling when my jarred buds ran out. This next grow I will look to prune off all puny growth and lower growth to work the theory that more energy will go then to the main buds. Last time because the branches were not pruned/topped they grew quite long and necessitated considerable supercropping and LST to manage them, I am wondering whether it might be better to carry out some sort of multi topping/manifold type approach to try to restrict the canopy cola length to shorter fully budded colas only. Some of my last plants had 18 inch colas but those were growing at the end of pretty much another almost 18 inches of bare branch. So as I should now have a good future supply of stored bud I am wondering about trying to focus on growing out the bigger stronger bud growth while taking a multi topping approach. A 4.5 month period of veging should allow them to build a good root base to perhaps support more vigorous cola focused growth. Just a thought at the moment.
With your setup, if it were me, I would try to grow a selection of maybe 4 or 5 while devising a plan in advance to keep the plants short and low during veg and even in flower. Indicas can be topped twice and will stay fairly short. Sativas, alas, are genetically destined to want to grow tall and large.
As you mention, there is that manifolding technique (I have not done this) whereby the plant is topped multiple times during veg, with supercropping in between, with the last topping done about 2 weeks before flowering starts. I always thought it was a lot like your quadlining technique. The many toppings keep the plant vegetative growth slow, the plant is busy trying to recover from toppings, and if I have that correctly, the plant does not get tall. Then you let it go in flower, and most of the long naked branches you mention never had a chance to grow. The buds flower on shorter stems, I guess. But it would take a lot of work, monitoring, and training.
Another thought along these lines: If you start your grow later, say germinate about 3 weeks before your solstice (Dec 21?), then the plants will not have all that time to just veg veg veg. They will barely be mature enough to flower when the days start getting shorter. They will ultimately be smaller for that late start, but would still require the manifolding & training.
Emeraldo
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Maybe it is I who be stupid (even though non-kiwi, I can also be self-effacing and self-deprecating), but could it be that a slow, long veg could help Stunger keep the plants smaller?
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Thanks Emeraldo.Maybe it is I who be stupid (even though non-kiwi, I can also be self-effacing and self-deprecating), but could it be that a slow, long veg could help Stunger keep the plants smaller?
Well, what I was thinking was, and please don't hesitate to comment if my logic seems flakey. This last grow the 2 quadlined girls were in veg for close to 4.5 months. So the root base would have had a pretty good amount of time to become well developed. Similarly without any pruning the canopy also grew out proportionally for that length of time in veg, so it was also quite big. Your previous suggestion that I could kick the plants off closer to the solstice and thereby avoid too much branch growth before flowering starts. I did think of that too. However, I felt if I keep with the long veg and pruned out all puny growth, and in addition carried out some careful manifold type toppings that I could utilize the well developed base to perhaps better support strong selective bud growth (as all low promise growth would be pruned off). Of course multiple toppings would presumably cause some slow down of the canopy growth in veg. But when flowering starts the plants would have the benefit of a bigger root system to service the smaller pruned canopy, and obviously I would look to finish all such pruning/topping at least 2 weeks before flowering starts. And also too, I'd clearly have to play it by ear so I work with the plant to avoid pushing on in the event it is not happy with such pruning.
Quadlining with supercropping and LST require a reasonable amount of work, monitoring and training, so I would imagine to incorporate additional toppings or prunings would probably not create much difference in the way of extra work.
To draw a possibly flaky logic parallel with an example of growing tomatoes. When you grow a tomato plant the whole plant grows proportionally, the roots and the canopy, and you get, say, 1000 cherry tomatoes. But if you buy a grafted root stock tomato plant where they use a different plant (I forget what one is commonly used) but it produces a much bigger root system and with the tomato plant grafted to it's root base it provides the 'turbo grunt' to support much greater fruit growth and you end up getting a much bigger yield, say 2000 tomatoes. This sort of effect is what I was wondering could be possible with large root base with a smaller managed canopy.
Emeraldo
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Interesting. Is your goal to have a variety of say select sativas that you keep as small as possible (for stealth reasons), or to get as much yield as possible off one big plant?
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No not really, my wish would be to grow many for a big variety, but in the current NZ climate of pot prohibition it's not the best thing. Growing cannabis in NZ is frowned upon and numbers count against you. So being caught with 2 or 3 big ones looks a lot better than being caught with many smaller plants. As you can always claim you had no idea they'd do so well, and you had to plan for some being male.
So I'm thinking about what I can do to improve the yields further or failing that, still keeping the yields high but having plants that bud wise are focused more of cola quality and perhaps a more compact but yield dense canopy, rather than a wild cumbersome canopy that contains a maze of branches and buds of all sizes - then it is probably a bit smaller and easier to manage and a lot more straight forward to trim when the time comes. I feel I now have enough jarred bud to fall back on so I can try a few things, and if the subsequent yields are good but not as good as the last grow then that's still OK.
Emeraldo
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Ok, ok. You have a great grow behind you now. If you would like to go smaller, try a 5 gal fabric pot and see what you get. It will be a smaller, more manageable, stealthier size. With less bud, of course. It'll be interesting to follow your next grow as no doubt this past one has been an experience to build on.
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I think I will still grow in the same size containers for a long veg so they get a great root base, but train/prune/top the plants so only strong bud growth is left on and the large root base then has an excess of 'grunt' to supply the buds which topping/pruning would in theory reduce the 'wild' excess of unproductive canopy growth, like the analogy of a grafted root stock tomato plant. I appreciate easier said than done, but that's just my thoughts at the moment.
Emeraldo
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Sounds cool, Stunger. Rock on! 
nickeluring
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For variety you could also perhaps get 2 harvests in a season if you'd do only autos. 3 plants each time, so you could get 6 different strains in a year. A good variety is awesome! Every time I go to get a new bud to vape, I look at my jars for a while and once I know which one to open there's a big grin on my face.
Emeraldo
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I've heard in Switzerland where cannabis is still illegal, the customs/police confiscate seeds in the mail and later they contact the person the seeds were addressed to. It's not a formal prosecution, a voluntary conversation, but if the addressee admits ordering the seeds, the police do calculate a huge fine based on each seed producing a fixed large amount of pot. Incredible, that such draconian measures are still used. Is there any word on the referendum in NZ? Do you know what the text of the referendum says? In California, the initiative spelled out 6 plants per household.
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That is draconian, so many countries are still like that. I saw an interview the other day on NZ TV where the interviewer was against it, and the former policeman he was interviewing had to explain when asked how he'd like his kids being able to get it if it was legal, to which he responded that people can still get weed and grow weed illegally, but I was disappointed he didn't turn the question around to the interviewer and ask him whether he is more comfortable that alcohol is legal and therefore people and potentially his own kids are potentially going to seek out moonshine that or some illegally brewed alcohol that every now and then we see folk dying in third world countries where it is made cheaply.
The referendum is in September and will be a simple Yes/No on whether the voter supports proposed Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill. If it succeeds people can grow up to 2 plants per person with a maximum of 4 plants per household.
Emeraldo
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From Wikipedia:
"When voting age New Zealanders were asked in July 2017 if they supported "Growing and/or using cannabis for medical reasons if you have a terminal illness", 59% responded that it should be legal, 22% supported decriminalisation, while 15% responded it should be illegal. However when they were asked their thoughts on "Possessing a small amount of cannabis for personal use", 37% responded that it should be decriminalised, 31% responded that it should be illegal, and 28% responded that it should be fully legal."
Seems from this picture that only a small group thinks cannabis should be illegal. If most of the decriminalizers (37%) vote in support of the bill, along with the legalizers (28%), then it may well pass. Let's hope for that outcome!
"When voting age New Zealanders were asked in July 2017 if they supported "Growing and/or using cannabis for medical reasons if you have a terminal illness", 59% responded that it should be legal, 22% supported decriminalisation, while 15% responded it should be illegal. However when they were asked their thoughts on "Possessing a small amount of cannabis for personal use", 37% responded that it should be decriminalised, 31% responded that it should be illegal, and 28% responded that it should be fully legal."
2020 New Zealand cannabis referendum - Wikipedia
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Seems from this picture that only a small group thinks cannabis should be illegal. If most of the decriminalizers (37%) vote in support of the bill, along with the legalizers (28%), then it may well pass. Let's hope for that outcome!
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Yes that's right, but there's been various polls since then, some have been conducted by groups against it, some impartial, but overall with varying pass and fail results, so it is hard to forecast which way it'll go on voting day. I suspect many pro 420 people will be hopeful but probably a lot (like me) will still find it hard to believe that it will actually pass. There's been a number of high profile people who have said we should vote yes, like Helen Clark who was NZ Prime Minister for 3 terms. So I hope the general population will vote yes on the day.
As an aside. I got diagnosed with Shingles today after getting a bit of rash last week that turn nasty over the weekend like someone's poured a boiling kettle over my right shoulder. I never take anything more than a Disprin, but now I have a codeine/paracetamol combo which I am still waiting for it to kick in, or maybe it has kicked in and I need to take 2 tablets instead of one next time. I have barely slept the past 3 days and have found I can't even read my favorite 420 website for longer than a few minutes because the discomfort bowls me over. Anyway, hopefully the anti-viral meds do the job and clear it up soon.
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Thanks syenite, yes I will definitely be bumping it up to 2 tablets tonight!Damn @Stunger sorry to hear about that. Hope you recover soon!
Codeine + paracetamol tabs are generally quite (very) mild. I wouldn't hesitate to take 2 instead of 1.
Mate! I’ve hated shingles every time I’ve had them. That’s the pits 
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I’ve got an almond oil topical you can try if you’d like? PM your address if you want to give it a go. I promise I’ll look away while I write it on an envelope.
(Edit. In case I undersold it. It’s a canna topical, made with the hulklato rosin. It works a treat for muscular and joint pain. Rubbed in the base of the neck as an anxiolytic it’s quite good. I think it would work on a neuralgia. I can go by the couriers tomorrow afternoon. You’d have it by the end of the week. Don’t say no all it once. Text me tomorrow if you want.