nickeluring
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Yes, in my experience less light means longer flowering time. Stressing a plant can also affect when flowering starts, it can both delay and make a plant start flowering faster.
Outdoor Organic Balcony Stealth Quadlining: White Widow/Gorgonzola
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General Update
The 3 girls are all getting close to harvest. I will post these as an update just in case they're given the chop before any further pics are taken. The balcony doesn't have much space left, it pretty much just buds now. Today I gave them a final Dr Bronner's Castille spray, I thought they were looking quite good from the recent sprays the buds have received, so today's spray was also to give them a bit of a bud soaping. There is supposed to be rain coming and if not I'll give them some plain water spray wash/rinsing before they get the chop, as I am still hoping I can manage to do whole plant drying of them rather than cut the colas off.
1-GGa - Gorilla Glue Auto - day 102 since sprouting
She is not far away getting the chop, still showing some clear, perhaps mostly cloudy, with some amber too
2-WW - White Widow XTRM
I think of the 3 girls, that the White Widow XTRM is perhaps the closest to being ready. Funny her trichomes are the shortest of the 3, but last season I thought she was the strongest smoke.
3-WWG - White Widow XTRM/Gorgonzola
Her trichomes are a little longer than her half sister 2-WW, and still showing perhaps more clear that her half sister too, but still has cloudy and some amber too. Also not far away.
Keep safe and well everyone
The 3 girls are all getting close to harvest. I will post these as an update just in case they're given the chop before any further pics are taken. The balcony doesn't have much space left, it pretty much just buds now. Today I gave them a final Dr Bronner's Castille spray, I thought they were looking quite good from the recent sprays the buds have received, so today's spray was also to give them a bit of a bud soaping. There is supposed to be rain coming and if not I'll give them some plain water spray wash/rinsing before they get the chop, as I am still hoping I can manage to do whole plant drying of them rather than cut the colas off.
1-GGa - Gorilla Glue Auto - day 102 since sprouting
She is not far away getting the chop, still showing some clear, perhaps mostly cloudy, with some amber too
2-WW - White Widow XTRM
I think of the 3 girls, that the White Widow XTRM is perhaps the closest to being ready. Funny her trichomes are the shortest of the 3, but last season I thought she was the strongest smoke.
3-WWG - White Widow XTRM/Gorgonzola
Her trichomes are a little longer than her half sister 2-WW, and still showing perhaps more clear that her half sister too, but still has cloudy and some amber too. Also not far away.
Keep safe and well everyone
nickeluring
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I think you need a bigger balcony. Beautiful plants - happy harvest!
Wow, Stunger! Far out what a great job you’ve done!
You haven’t wasted 1c of your power bill either - you are using every square centimetre of light.
Top work. It’ll be a black armband day when they fall.
2WW looking very close now. Exciting!
I love the foxtail on that GGa, but then I've always had a thing for foxtails since my first plant had them (Blueberry auto)!
Narrowed down your POTM submission pic yet?
Narrowed down your POTM submission pic yet?
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You know I noticed the Gorilla auto had those narrowed cola tops. I didn't realize that is what folks referred to as foxtails, for some reason I thought a foxtail was something to do with when a cola top sent off multiple such tops. I hadn't encountered that before, and I notice on the GGa that they are visually quite dense trichome growth areas.
Did your Blueberry auto give a decent enough buzz to feel like it had a reasonable THC%? I wondered as it's a bugger getting orders to NZ, and so far in my limited experience it is 420 who has come thru the best, but I note their Blueberry was listed around the 14%, which seemed a bit low compared to what's listed for other autos. I mean, of course it is all relative, the numbers don't really matter on their own, just whether or not you get a great smoking/vaping/edible result. Just wondered how you rated your's and who the breeder was.
Re POTM, I have made a submission. It was a toss up on the main pic, I chose one that I thought looked quite aggressive with the colas, and gave an overhead pic as the second pic as that gives a good idea on the canopy size of the plant.
Good to hear!
I have to say it's really cool that right now I'm conversing in two threads on completely opposite sides of world. You in NZ and the Professor in the UK.
I have to say it's really cool that right now I'm conversing in two threads on completely opposite sides of world. You in NZ and the Professor in the UK.
Emeraldo
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Hey Stunger, congrats again on your crop, that is one joyful moment for you I'm sure. Be sure to post about the GGA's quality and effect as I've ordered that one from 420, not here yet but they sent an email telling me not to worry. Looking forward to starting those.
I don't know if you mentioned it, but you might want to stop all watering at least a week before you chop. The plants can get a head start on drying and they will dry a lot faster and cure with less risk of mold if you stop the water a week or so before harvest.
I don't know if you mentioned it, but you might want to stop all watering at least a week before you chop. The plants can get a head start on drying and they will dry a lot faster and cure with less risk of mold if you stop the water a week or so before harvest.
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Yes I'll post a smoke report re the GGa when she's done, I still haven't sampled her yet as the other 2 are supplying fast dried lower buds to keep going with, and I'm delaying doing the same with the GGa, wanting to wait as close as possible till when she's ready as I'm hoping there will then be more characteristics of difference that I can then compare to the other 2 girls. I am hoping as I get to grow more variety of strains that I'll be able to appreciate these differences between strains more rather than simply fitting them on the scale somewhere between bad shit and good shit.
Re the watering, for the last 10 days or so I have dropped their watering back to what I hope is close to the bare minimum in an effort to create a drought stress response as bought to my attention by @Maritimer. I am just going by gut feel on when to water by the weight of the container and watching the leaves for an indication that they're feeling some drought stress.
The GGa's fan leaves around her buds have started yellow but the plant continues to look in great shape - she is 103 days since sprouting today, not long for her now.
McRib
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I must have missed a notification... I'm all caught up now. Girl's are looking absolutely stunning! Well done Stunger
Kodiak420
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@Stunger
Took me a while to read it all, what a well documented grow, I hope mine will be also
Let me also say what a beautiful grow, you will get some great results for sure.
Thread 'Emmie's DIY CalMagPhos+ From Eggshells'
Thread 'Emmie's Backyard Fermented Plant Extracts From Dandelions!'
Thread 'Making your own Lactobacillus Serum'
Anyways great grow @Stunger wish you great success.
Took me a while to read it all, what a well documented grow, I hope mine will be also
Let me also say what a beautiful grow, you will get some great results for sure.
In my years of guerrilla growing, there has been numerous times that we were unable to get into our sites for what ever reason. Accidentally creating "drought stress", and depending on the stage of the grow it would be beneficial. From my experience, you have it right on. Any sooner would be wrong kind of stress, which leads to hermies, and other stress related problems.
I always wanted to try this.
If you need help masking the smell, try fermenting your own amendments. @Emilya has some great DIY, which I hope to try this season, in preparation for next grow. Not that I need to mask smell, live the country. Below are the ones that I will try this year.
Thread 'Emmie's DIY CalMagPhos+ From Eggshells'
Thread 'Emmie's Backyard Fermented Plant Extracts From Dandelions!'
Thread 'Making your own Lactobacillus Serum'
Anyways great grow @Stunger wish you great success.
Kodiak420
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I also was wondering what you thought of this drought stress does to a Living soil?
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I would answer that in a couple of ways. Firstly the Kaplan paper on cannabis and drought stress that I referenced previously (and for this I am grateful to @Maritimer for posting this in his excellent thread Exceptionally High FECO Yields ). My understanding of that was to reduce the soil moisture down to a drought stress level and keep it around that level, not enough for the the plant to die but just enough to trigger it into getting more resiny to help it survive the drought stress it finds itself in, it's not meant to let it all dry out. I mentioned previously of an early grow where I had unwittingly caused these conditions and the resulting buds were airy but extremely sticky and sugar leaves hard as if they were varnished, quite different from those buds that are well admired for being covered with a soft feathery frosty layer of trichomes like snow. That drought stressed plant grew from 'nothing special' bag seed but the high it gave was wonderfully potent that far exceeded the bag of weed in which it was found. That particularly grow just happened by chance creating those conditions.
The second thing I'd say in reference to the effects on living soil. As you're not letting it dry out altogether, the soil's life I would expect to continue just like soil in nature weathers the cycles of rainfall and drought. During the last outdoor growing 'offseason' my organic living soil pots were left under cover at the side of the house for some months of time without watering before I went about re-amending them in preparation for the next (my current) grow. When I tipped the soil out to add the amendments it was pretty dry, friable but really dry, much dryer than I would imagine a living plant could handle. So I was very surprised to still find a number of worms alive in the pots in such dryness. So to answer that point of your question, I feel if the worms managed to stay alive in real drought stress conditions I would assume the soil biology would as well.
Cheers
Maritimer
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Ahoy @Stunger,
I have no intention of hijacking your thread but your previous guest @Kodiak420 questioned you on what the application of drought stress does to living soil. I have also read some of your comments on the process. I would enjoy joining this discussion (albeit; briefly) with your permission.
I have no intention of hijacking your thread but your previous guest @Kodiak420 questioned you on what the application of drought stress does to living soil. I have also read some of your comments on the process. I would enjoy joining this discussion (albeit; briefly) with your permission.
Emeraldo
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Yes, please explain to us all -- eager to learn, here 
-- what is meant by "Living Soil"? Is that something other than regular old homemade organic soil? I've seen the term used but wasn't aware of its specific definition.
-- what is meant by "Living Soil"? Is that something other than regular old homemade organic soil? I've seen the term used but wasn't aware of its specific definition.
Living Organic Soil (LOS) is soil designed to be used without added fertilizers ("water only") or with something like compost teas or organic top dressing. It is built from various recipes (there are loads!) that include organic forms of all the nutrients that plants use as they grow and then mixed and (usually) cooked for weeks or months to get it all ready for plants.
That's the basic definition anyway! I'm sure the LOS growers will correct whatever I got wrong.
That's the basic definition anyway! I'm sure the LOS growers will correct whatever I got wrong
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Hi Maritimer, please hijack away! I am just giving credit where credit is due as it was from reading your posts and thread which made me resurrect thoughts on drought stress that I had from an early grow a dozen or so years ago. I have by gut feel applied this to my current crop which have been on minimum watering since the beginning of the month.Ahoy @Stunger,
I have no intention of hijacking your thread but your previous guest @Kodiak420 questioned you on what the application of drought stress does to living soil. I have also read some of your comments on the process. I would enjoy joining this discussion (albeit; briefly) with your permission.
Living soil or organic living soil are existing terms bandied about a lot. I think the distinction comes about when soil has it's own microrganism herd. My container super soil (and likely probably lots of folk's soil mix) has things like compost, worm castings, biochar, worm wee and worms which are commonly viewed as having living biology within. I understand that soils are considering living soil when this is nurtured with an amendment approach that allows the living biology to continue. The opposite (again my assumption) is when soil is considered 'dead' from presumably an amendment/nutrient regime that kills off the living biology of the soil. But of that I have no experience on. I have read articles where some 'experts' have stated that such non-organic fertilizers don't necessary kill off the soil biology. As I said I have no experience of that. But at the end of my grows, if my containers still have worms living in them after my cannabis plants have been growing in the containers for 6 - 7+ months then rightly or wrongly I view the soil as being a 'living soil'. And thanks to @InTheShed for posting an explanation as I was typing this.Yes, please explain to us all -- eager to learn, here
Sorry, this site doesn't have the three little dancing dots or I would have held my fire!
Maritimer
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It don't?
I see em all the time
Ahoy @Stunger,
I will have to get back with you on this, probably tonight. I am a bit pressed for time today as my chore list includes manicuring two plants worth the bud and branches. Experienced gardeners usually avoid the mistake of over working the trim crew, and never chop more than one a day. My bad. hehe
Anyhow, thank you for your kind words.
Maritimer
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Some skinny about cannabis drought applications as I see things;
The application of late bloom drought improves cannabinoid yields in both foliar and floral materials.
The early application of drought is counter productive to florescence production. (smaller flowers)
The repetitive applications of drought stress are counter productive.
The indication of leaf wilt (LWA) is the measured angle between the petiole and the branch.
The turgid state is measured LWA when the cultivar is fully fertigated and healthy. This is your zero mark for LWA readings.
Attaining a measured LWA of 50 degrees wilt indicates full recognition of drought by the cultivars GRN satisfying our target stress. The GRN will have fully altered the homeostasis of hormones thereby re-directing the needed proteins in the synthesis of essential oils. The plant will use the essential oils to protect reproductive assets (seeds) from moisture loss.
Attaining measured LWA of less than 50 degrees during drought application presents a linear drop in additional oil production. (less time/intensity in stress = less extra juice)
Substrate composition will change mean drying times but does not impair LWA accuracy. Quicker drying mediums tend to produce the more drastic improvements in cannabinoid yields. LOS and other slower drying substrates can be utilized reducing targeted stress goals.
The process can be tweaked for any medium, but not all strains. This is all genetically controlled by the plants GRN.
Any ? don't hesitate my friends.
The application of late bloom drought improves cannabinoid yields in both foliar and floral materials.
The early application of drought is counter productive to florescence production. (smaller flowers)
The repetitive applications of drought stress are counter productive.
The indication of leaf wilt (LWA) is the measured angle between the petiole and the branch.
The turgid state is measured LWA when the cultivar is fully fertigated and healthy. This is your zero mark for LWA readings.
Attaining a measured LWA of 50 degrees wilt indicates full recognition of drought by the cultivars GRN satisfying our target stress. The GRN will have fully altered the homeostasis of hormones thereby re-directing the needed proteins in the synthesis of essential oils. The plant will use the essential oils to protect reproductive assets (seeds) from moisture loss.
Attaining measured LWA of less than 50 degrees during drought application presents a linear drop in additional oil production. (less time/intensity in stress = less extra juice)
Substrate composition will change mean drying times but does not impair LWA accuracy. Quicker drying mediums tend to produce the more drastic improvements in cannabinoid yields. LOS and other slower drying substrates can be utilized reducing targeted stress goals.
The process can be tweaked for any medium, but not all strains. This is all genetically controlled by the plants GRN.
Any ? don't hesitate my friends.