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Dexter4Morgan said:
did you mix the biotone into all the soil ? irishboy had issues when he just put it in the hole (that sounds bad LOL)
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I mixed it into the soil, and it worked terrific. I've never had better roots! And pretty quick, too. I started in 8" styrofoam cups, transplanted to one gallons then 5 gallons 2 1/2 weeks later and they were almost rootbound. Incredible growth!
 
lbezphil2005 said:
I mixed it into the soil, and it worked terrific. I've never had better roots! And pretty quick, too. I started in 8" styrofoam cups, transplanted to one gallons then 5 gallons 2 1/2 weeks later and they were almost rootbound. Incredible growth!
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did you mix it into only the transplant whole? or the whole medium? i did it like the directions said with the transplant hole and it burned my girls at 1st. mixing it threw the medium should better to me, all though some needs to be close to the roots for it to work
 
I've got a claw thing going on also.

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OC+ incorporated in a coco hempy. I just posted some more details in my journal.

Anybody with any clues would be welcome, thanks :)

:peace:
 
HorseBadortiz said:
I'll let you know!

:peace:
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I"ve never seen an OC+ plant with the claw....except in coco! I had one do it too! (tossed it in the trash, not from the claw but from the piss-poor growth it had.)

Here's a semi-scientific guess as to the problem:

Coir wicks water really well. So well that's it's wet all the time. OC+ yields nutes when wet.....wet all the time, nutes all the time=buildup of nutes to the point where the claw comes calling!

I'm sure coco is wonderful stuff, but I see so many problems with it in my own garden....and now yours?

I wish I could do more to help you out! Certainly a thorough flushing would help.
 
Coco doesn't retain more water or wick better than most quality potting soils, just way better than other soilless media, so not sure that's the problem, since OC works fine in soil.

Once coco has satisfied its CEC, you moderate the release of nutes with PH level. If your leaves yellow or show other deficiencies, a couple of waterings with lower PH releases more nutes from the coco and fixes things.

With clawing, I suspect that you may be running your PH a bit low, so after you flush, try raising it and see what happens, after you flush.
 
Setting Sun said:
Coco doesn't retain more water or wick better than most quality potting soils, just way better than other soilless media, so not sure that's the problem, since OC works fine in soil.

Once coco has satisfied its CEC, you moderate the release of nutes with PH level. If your leaves yellow or show other deficiencies, a couple of waterings with lower PH releases more nutes from the coco and fixes things.

With clawing, I suspect that you may be running your PH a bit low, so after you flush, try raising it and see what happens, after you flush.
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Interesting.....so the coco is really sensitive to pH eh? I did not know that. (not that I ever tried to learn)
 
It's not so much that it's sensitive to PH, rather than it can be manipulated by PH. The grower is still in control.

It tolerates a range of PH, but if I start seeing issues, I can fix them easily by adjusting the PH.

You don't want to add micros, they're already in there waiting to be released.

Coco seems to work very well with CRF's for me, whether incorporated or sprinkled into holes, and I think that rather than retain too much water for CRF's, coco works well with them *because* it wicks and retains well.

It's not the recommended way to use the product, but the prills can be completely submerged, so I don't think good water retention is the culprit.

"Do plants receive nutrients immediately after application?
Nutrients are released shortly after the granule is inflated with moisture. Of course, this depends upon the amount of moisture in the soil. Because of the special properties of the Osmocote coating, granules hold a fixed amount of moisture and no more, even if submerged in standing water. The temperature of the soil controls the rate at which nutrients are released. The warmer the soil, the faster nutrients are released. Conversely, when soil temperatures drop, so does the release of nutrients. Most North American plants cease to feed when soil temperatures drop below 45◦F. The osmosis process that releases nutrients into the soil stops working at approximately the same temperature."
 
IrishBoy said:
did you mix it into only the transplant whole? or the whole medium? i did it like the directions said with the transplant hole and it burned my girls at 1st. mixing it threw the medium should better to me, all though some needs to be close to the roots for it to work
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No, I mixed it into the entire medium and about a tablespoonful at the base of the roots, but mixed a little with the soil there.
 
lbezphil2005 said:
No, I mixed it into the entire medium and about a tablespoonful at the base of the roots, but mixed a little with the soil there.
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I meant teaspoon. I want to mention that I did get a slight edge burn initially, but I also incorporated mater magic when I did the transplant so it could have been that. When I germinated my seeds i put them straight into 8" dixie cups with a mixture of ffof/perlite/vermiculite/half-dose of biotone, because of the nutrients added I was afraid it would hurt the seedlings. When I mixed my transplant soil, I went with 1.5cu ft. bags, 1 of ffof, 1/2 bag of happy frog jump start, 1/2 bag hydrofarm supercoarse perlite and another 1/2 dose of the biotone (half the recommended mix) after the transplant no burn. I added oc+ to the transplant mixed all thru the soil at 2.5 times recommended rate, top dressing mater magic and dm red as I go. Watering with silica blast, vita grow water conditioner, superthrive, snowstorm ultra, will add molasses, sucanat and bloombastic when times come. funny when i start my water is 8.5 ph. start with water conditioner, then add everything, before water conditioner when I added silica ph would jump to 10, now after all done ph is at 6.7 to 7.1! I forgot to check ph before starting the other day on a watering and by the time I was done it had leveled off from the additives. Works for me!!
 
DocBud said:
I"ve never seen an OC+ plant with the claw....except in coco! I had one do it too! (tossed it in the trash, not from the claw but from the piss-poor growth it had.)

Here's a semi-scientific guess as to the problem:

Coir wicks water really well. So well that's it's wet all the time. OC+ yields nutes when wet.....wet all the time, nutes all the time=buildup of nutes to the point where the claw comes calling!

I'm sure coco is wonderful stuff, but I see so many problems with it in my own garden....and now yours?

I wish I could do more to help you out! Certainly a thorough flushing would help.
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The coco in the claw pot may not have been cal/magged heavily enough, not that I think about it. I have another JH in a later, more heavily cal/magged coco concoction... so the CE may be a factor?

Thanks for the braincells :)

:peace:
 
Setting Sun said:
It's not so much that it's sensitive to PH, rather than it can be manipulated by PH. The grower is still in control.

It tolerates a range of PH, but if I start seeing issues, I can fix them easily by adjusting the PH.

You don't want to add micros, they're already in there waiting to be released.

Coco seems to work very well with CRF's for me, whether incorporated or sprinkled into holes, and I think that rather than retain too much water for CRF's, coco works well with them *because* it wicks and retains well.

It's not the recommended way to use the product, but the prills can be completely submerged, so I don't think good water retention is the culprit.
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I have been keeping the pH right at 5.8, ignoring my original floating pH therory! Old timer's disease :)

Had to baby sit a real baby last night, but in the the dark this am, the claws seem to be relaxing their death grip!

Thanks for the dope slap :grinjoint:

:peace:
 
staffy said:
hey guys my night time temp are staying at 68 at night. is this just a tad bit low for OC+ and i should raise it a bit?
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I wouldn't worry about it as long as it is with lights out. Plants start feeding at sunrise. Water them as soon as the lights go on an they should be fine. the nutes are released during lights on which should be a period of warmer temps for you.
 
molotov said:
I wouldn't worry about it as long as it is with lights out. Plants start feeding at sunrise. Water them as soon as the lights go on an they should be fine. the nutes are released during lights on which should be a period of warmer temps for you.
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ok thank you
 
I have no clue how I got unsubscribed to this thread but I'm glad I came back to check just in case. Great discussions!

Currently I'm loving my TRF's..using both DMr and OC+. I swear if you look at my plants it almost seems like I know what I'm doing. :blunt:

Just supplementing SS Ultra, Cal/mag, Hygrozyme, and silica. If you haven't tried OC+ or DM yet I would highly suggest it. Save some cash and make your ladies happy.


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Marley
 
So I have a question about OC+ for your Mother plants? Is anyone using it on for their Mother? I don't currently have one but am planning on keeping a couple by this summer and I'm currently trying to gather as much info as possible....And I just picked up som OC+ today for my next round and thought I would ask.

peace and thanks in advance...
 
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