Original source seeds from the 70's: Yes I have some

So back to my Durban grow here this year. The guy that got the seeds to me from Europe said that he did not know the history on these seeds, or if they were worked or not. I believe that they were not, and likely came from bag weed or a local plant grown in ZA (Dutch Zuid-Afrikaanse for Zuid Afrika or ZA, which is still the abrevation used for South Africa). Nothing about them is consistent. One girl started blooming last week and the other is thinking about it. One male is popping bananas, the other two are not. And again, reading more about it, it is very unstable and can bloom anywhere from June though late October. I tested these female buds and this is indeed real Durban. More on that later. The plants also have a classic sativa look to them though they are rather short. So as my baby girls have relegated themselves to being novelties, I have put them back into 4 gallon pots where they can finish flowering in the garden. I pulled two males, the early bloomer and the shortest one. I also did a dreadnought hunt in the Portland metro area and dug up replacement clones of the Durban Poison strain floating around the US west. Land race Durban is just one strain that I will not likely have the time or patience or room to work with. It is just too unstable to make seeds. I may still do one seed run though with these super early mutants, as I kept one male sibling. I am also rubbing my hands together watching these new worked Durbans grow in the heat we are getting now. "Houston, we have a launch!"

Durban Poison is in high demand here, sells out fast at rec weed stores, and these clones are really hard to find locally. Of all places I found them at a rec store in Milwaukie that was not even aware that they had them in stock. I had gone there to get a Cherry Pie clone, which is a cross between Durban Poison and Granddaddy Purple (GDP). Those are my two favorite modern strains to smoke, but the Cherry Pie weed that I have smoked (several grams and eighths) just did not have what I love about Durban Poison and GDP. Durban in the morning for wake 'n bake, and GDP after dinner to mellow out. If I want to get blitzed. I smoke a bowl with both strains. Now, that is the bomb. Cherry Pie falls short of that though, but it is still OK weed. I was also warned at the rec store that Cherry Pie will absolutely REEK TO HIGH HELL. I replied that I live in the boonies, and the counter person said that she does as well, a mile from anyone else, but she STILL had to put filters on her greenhouse last year when growing Cherry Pie. So i put back the Cherry Pie clone and bought 4 Durbans. Everyone here has Cheery Pie clones, no one has Durban. Well one does. Or did. They will sell out fast if word gets out. So this year I am now working land race Durban and a US worked land race Durban. Worked by the best if they were indeed worked by Ed and Mel.
 
If I have not mentioned it before here, Durban Poison is my FAVORITE of all strains of weed. For multiple reasons, one being that I cut my teeth with Mexican weed, which was in the early 1970's all regional land race sativas. The only indica that we got there then was in the form of hashish. The Mexican land race sativas, like Durban Poison, had (and have) a measurable amount of THCV in them, which acts to suppress appetite. Durban also has a wake up! mentally (speedy) factor to it, and it makes me feel good. It also has a delayed ramp-up onset of the high, coming on in about a half hour. This is in agreement with more recent research that shows that THCV acts like CBD in that it suppresses the high of THC. Also THCV is rather short lived, meaning that it wears off in about a half hour, which correlates to my experiences smoking Durban Poison. THCV is poorly understood though, so it is not clearly known what is actually going on with this type of weed. But I like Durban! I ALWAYS want to smoke more, and it is a great high. I am high on it right now, actually. (oops, do not tell Sessions). Its the best morning and day weed high. It is useless for getting to sleep, and I cannot smoke any DP after about 6pm or I will be up until 2am. Its speed weed. Green Crack is said to be similar, but I get nowhere near the good effects from GC as I do from DP. DP gets 5 stars in my book. CG gets 3. Cherry Pie gets 3.5 stars. GDP gets 4.5 stars, but I am thinking of upgrading GDP to 5. They also run out of that fast here, and it is also hard to fond GDP clones here. I should have kept a clone running from my PDG plant last year... (hind sight is always 20:20). I bought a gram of GDP last week because it was only $5. In comparison, it is not nearly as good as my home grown GDP from last year. Not even close. So there is wide variation within the same strains, and $5 weed is generally bottom shelf and not so great. I have had to pass up some old Durbans on the shelf as well. I bought the last Gram of Durban shatter today at one place though. I ran out of Durban weed two days ago. Yes, I love Durban. Whatever it is in this magic weed, I crave it. The right mix of THC, CBD and THCV? Some CBN tossed into the mix as it ages?

From this year out I will likely be growing Durban and GDP, and if things continue to shape up, Lebanese! One Lebby girl is tall and slender, like her boyfriend. The other is growing out really fat and squat, with huge leaves. It exudes indica. Not as stinky as the Durbans, the ZA weed reeks already. But the Leb high? Holy shirt Batman, its intense and psychedelic. And the weed tastes just like red Lebanese hashish. These are the real deals, these land races, for better or worse. I also plan on crossing the tall x tall and tall x short Lebby cousins here. They are having foreplay on the growing tables out in the greenhouse now. I wonder if they can sense each other by smell?
 
My Durban and Lebby land race grow update... this is a shot of the pair I kept. My brother has the rest of them. Sexed females, ZA Durban Poison on the left, Bekaa Valley Lebby on the right. This was in June, which was cool here and rather wet. Photo taken in the smaller GH.

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And this is the Bekaa Lebby in mid July, after a nice month of 70-80 temps outside, and 80-95 heat in the GH. The Lebby has a max of 5 leaflets per leaf. My brothers has mostly 3 leaflets per leaf on his seeded sisters to this. They are low and shrubby, and have been pinched (to sex a cutting under 12/12 light).

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And this is the Durban Poison gal in mid July. Note that is is already blooming! Durban Poison land races are said to be like this. Crazy blooming.

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And a close up

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Way early in this thread old grow stories was mentioned. Thought I would throw this one out. My best friend growing up had a neighbor that grew all the time. 1 year he had a monster 10 foot seeded female that had so many seeds they even landed on my friends side of the fence. About 80 plants came up in his yard the next year.
 
In Carmel Valley in the mid 1970s my brother used to babysit pot plants for cash while he worshiped the sun and tanned out there. The coast was usually socked in with fog all summer, so he would head inland for the sun. Later he chased the sun to Maui. Anyway, those plants topped out at about 12 feet, uncut and untrimmed. They had quite a few seeds, as the males were pulled late and no one really knew how to grow sinsemilia then. I helped harvest and trim the colas, and many were 2 feet long. They were Guerrero land races from a half pound of loose tops that I had gotten (best Mexican tops I ever smoked, but before I froze any seeds). A trippy sativa. The next year there were plants growing all over their yard.
 
I guess you are over at Icmag too now? Interesting that the Lebanese trips you out. I got some RSC Lebanese seeds on account of your story. I did not experience the high you got from my smoking hash, but what the hell. Had the blonde Leb back in '85 from two different chunks of hash.

I am growing some Guerrero x Michoacan and from smoking the leaves have got a dead ringer for the stuff I had in '75 and '85. Threw all the seeds away from '75 and none in '85, all buds and sinse by then. The high is as good if not better than anything I have smoked. Humble no name pot for $10 a lid in '75.

Glad you found a couple favorites of your past and they are doing you right. Lots of people just complain about what was lost. With effort and luck, I think most people can find what they lost.

The Durban kinda scared me off with the name and the racy reputation. I have some Senegal seeds to try though.
 
BigSur said:
In Carmel Valley in the mid 1970s my brother used to babysit pot plants for cash while he worshiped the sun and tanned out there. The coast was usually socked in with fog all summer, so he would head inland for the sun. Later he chased the sun to Maui. Anyway, those plants topped out at about 12 feet, uncut and untrimmed. They had quite a few seeds, as the males were pulled late and no one really knew how to grow sinsemilia then. I helped harvest and trim the colas, and many were 2 feet long. They were Guerrero land races from a half pound of loose tops that I had gotten (best Mexican tops I ever smoked, but before I froze any seeds). A trippy sativa. The next year there were plants growing all over their yard.
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There were some awesome plants grow back in the 70. They grow huge plants today but nothing compares to the site of tall untopped sativas. Lucky to be around a grower back then I got to see a lot a cool plants growing up. I have heard of 14 to 16 foot plants but never got to see one. The most beautiful was around 10 or 11 foot. It had closer internodes and had a denser fuller structure. The leaves were long and huge so big I couldn't press one between record albums I never got to know what its genetic make up was but that strains kept Chico State University high for a few years.
 
I was banned as BigSur over on IcyMag. No reason given. *shrug* I have my opinions.

Red Lebanese hashish was the best I had, except for a eighth of Kona Gold hash that my ex roommate brought back from Hawaii. I would love to know where the Bekaa Valley Lebby strain came from. Maybe Greece and Turkey? They are definitely a sativa/indica cross with these two distinct phenos. I did not post a photo of the sativa phenos, but they looks like the Durban Poison plant in stature, with slightly larger leaves. Skinny and tall sativas. It will be interesting if the high remains the same as the samples I had before. I will be testing them again soon. I got word from the supplier of these seeds that they may well have been mucked with regarding auto and fem genetics. But they are said to be super early. And they are running as described on Seed finder.
 
As for Durban, there are different strains out there. I am growing three now. One type is the smaller land race super early bloomers. Another strain I got as seeds from an eighth at a rec store of indoor Durban (which was a great high, no rushes at all, just a lift and a good buzz high, no stone, no body high, not couch lock). A THCV sativa at its best. I love the stuff. I only got a male from a few seeds that I planted of that stuff though. I may cross it with one of the Durban clones that I also got. I will do a seed run of those again next year. I am also growing a clone of Durban that I got at another rec store a few weeks ago, which I now suspect is Mel's Durban B strain x Skunk #1 that was worked in Holland after Ed and Mel worked on it in the states. At first I thought it might be the Strain A that Mel came up with that is supposedly a cut still going around the SF Bay area, but the leaves are forming rather fat now and the plant does not look like a sativa or the other Durbans I am growing. She is looking rather indica now. We will see what she blooms and smokes like.

I got a gram of some outdoor Durban grown down on the AppleGate Valley that is similar, but less intense than the seeded indoor Durban that I got earlier. Neither were overly super intense high like DJ Short and others say it is. These may have been toned down with breeding. What many are describing as Durban? I would say is more like Cinex, which is rushy and speedy (I do not like it). Durban is speedy but subtle. You do not realize you are that high, until some point that you notice that you are really that high.
 
BigSur said:
I was banned as BigSur over on IcyMag. No reason given. *shrug* I have my opinions.
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I've seen the OG thread in which a supermod told you bye-bye and called you a liar. I don't post over there frequently, so I don't have the insider knowledge about ICMAG's politics, but it seems you just stepped on someone's toes. Well the attitude on the scene sometimes makes me sick, but who gives a shit? We're supposed to share the experience not wage wars. I've had my bundle of arguments online, but they rarely resolve anything.
 
conradino23 said:
I've seen the OG thread in which a supermod told you bye-bye and called you a liar. I don't post over there frequently, so I don't have the insider knowledge about ICMAG's politics, but it seems you just stepped on someone's toes. Well the attitude on the scene sometimes makes me sick, but who gives a shit? We're supposed to share the experience not wage wars. I've had my bundle of arguments online, but they rarely resolve anything.
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Amusing. A liar, eh? Ha ha. I logged in there one day and it said I was banned for life, and for no reason. Spineless pricks. I thought it was for my posts about Dave Watson being a narc on the Mister Nicey forum. Or that I posted about the real breeder of Cali-O. Some mods on IcyFag had warned me before about not posting anything real about him and they removed my posts, even though they admitted that what I posted was true and they knew it.

So it was over the history of OG Kush? Too funny. It was obviously developed in California. *shrug*
 
I don't really know what it was about, I didn't track your career over there :laugh: I'm just saying what I saw under your last post.
 
Jackalope said:
Back to the Durbans for a second. How does Pure Power plant match up with the Durbans?
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Power Plant/PP is another strain that is moderately high in THCV like Durban, and like Durban it comes from South Africa, so they should be similar. PP may even be derived from Durban (or Sawzi). I have not tried it though. Pure PP is said to have indica crossed into PP, so the speedy sativa effect of PP is said to be watered down a bit. There are several sativas that have moderate levels of THCV in them, including Red Congolese, Power Plant, Durban Poison, and Malawi Gold. Some high THCV strains include XJ-13, Doug's Varin, Pineapple Purps, Jack the Ripper, and Willie Nelson.

I added a clone of J1 this week that is short for Jack #1. It is Jack Herer x Skunk #1. J1 is said here to be an ultimate wake 'n bake strain. It also goes for top shelf prices, like Durban does here, and sells out pretty fast. It is just a baby now, but growing fast.

Viva Sativa baby!
 
I have both, some Durban from Sensi I think and PPP from Nirvanna and Spliff. The Spliff is feminized and supposed to have a lime smell so it may be from one of the different African sativas. I don't mind the Afghani in the PPP thought it might help with growth patterns. Not so sure about a lemon or lime PPP
 
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