Opioid Tapering With Cannabis: A Regimen

[Dirtdemon]

Hey y’all, I’m sorry for being silent. Mandi and I went camping to get away from it all and we just didn’t want to come back. Still clean wahoo. I found the cbd strain with less than 1%thc and 17% cbd works okay but the 6% to 13% seemed to work better. The high thc up in the 20% range helps with depression.
I got back into service last night and there was a bunch of messages from one of my brothers he had heard I wasn’t working ( we are not close barely even friends) and offered me a job 8 to 10 hour shifts. I took it had my first day today. 9 hour day with orientation and one load delivered. It was a tough day being honest. Thought about perks a lot. I missed all y’all. Hope everyone is well!

 

[Derbybud]

Hey y’all, I’m sorry for being silent. Mandi and I went camping to get away from it all and we just didn’t want to come back. Still clean wahoo. I found the cbd strain with less than 1%thc and 17% cbd works okay but the 6% to 13% seemed to work better. The high thc up in the 20% range helps with depression.
I got back into service last night and there was a bunch of messages from one of my brothers he had heard I wasn’t working ( we are not close barely even friends) and offered me a job 8 to 10 hour shifts. I took it had my first day today. 9 hour day with orientation and one load delivered. It was a tough day being honest. Thought about perks a lot. I missed all y’all. Hope everyone is well!

Great to here about the job. Hopefully in time it might help keep your mind off of the perks and busy on the job.
Keep your head up and glad to here your still clean. Great job my friend. Great job.

 

[SweetSue]

Hey y’all, I’m sorry for being silent. Mandi and I went camping to get away from it all and we just didn’t want to come back. Still clean wahoo. I found the cbd strain with less than 1%thc and 17% cbd works okay but the 6% to 13% seemed to work better. The high thc up in the 20% range helps with depression.
I got back into service last night and there was a bunch of messages from one of my brothers he had heard I wasn’t working ( we are not close barely even friends) and offered me a job 8 to 10 hour shifts. I took it had my first day today. 9 hour day with orientation and one load delivered. It was a tough day being honest. Thought about perks a lot. I missed all y’all. Hope everyone is well!

Time away from the hustle and bustle is good for the soul. Soooo glad to hear about the job. In time the thoughts change, but you can add a deliberate edge to their evolution.

Make it a practice to deliberately shift your thoughts to something or someone that makes you thrill with joy and excitement. Puppies work well. Lol! As soon as you notice the momentum of craving coming in the distance train yourself to deliberately go somewhere else.

Practice of this principle reshapes the way your brain thinks. It shifts your default emotion to one of expectation and hope for what lies ahead.

The universe just demonstrated that it has your back. Trust that you’re past the danger zone and well on the road to full recovery and your cells follow that emotional map.

Feels good to wake up in the morning, doesn’t it? It only gets better from here.

 

[Derbybud]

Maybe think about the great time you and Mandi just had camping?

 

[Dirtdemon]

Time away from the hustle and bustle is good for the soul. Soooo glad to hear about the job. In time the thoughts change, but you can add a deliberate edge to their evolution.

Make it a practice to deliberately shift your thoughts to something or someone that makes you thrill with joy and excitement. Puppies work well. Lol! As soon as you notice the momentum of craving coming in the distance train yourself to deliberately go somewhere else.

Practice of this principle reshapes the way your brain thinks. It shifts your default emotion to one of expectation and hope for what lies ahead.

The universe just demonstrated that it has your back. Trust that you’re past the danger zone and well on the road to full recovery and your cells follow that emotional map.

Feels good to wake up in the morning, doesn’t it? It only gets better from here.

Yes ma’am, it does feel good to get up in the morning!

 

[noobgrow1]

So this is a bit strange for me to post here, I really want to thank Sue for organizing and doing what must be hours and hours of learning and research! I held back signing up for any boards until I took some privacy measures. I live in a state that allows medical but no recreational or adult use yet. It is only recently that I qualify for a medical card we can purchase but not grow which is absolutely insane. So some info about me, I am recently back to cannabis use & had high hopes for using to get off or severely reduce any opiate pain meds. My reason for lurking this board was growing info, I seemingly have spider mites! Just barely 2 weeks into flowering.

Anyone else reading this pay attention to being clean when tending to your grow, I began raising some food at the same time as such do all gardening tasks at the same time. Believe I cross contaminated while tending to my food crops. I mean WTF, I have grown food several times through the years & have never had any plant disease or real pests. As soon as I am growing a pricey crop BOOM! Yellowing leaves which I thought were nute issues seemingly are mites.

Due to high costs for meds $300 - $400 oz I purchased some varied seeds that "seem" to be favorable for pain management & hopefully insomnia as well. Either or now I am on first grow just started flower, having spent so many hours educating myself to have quality meds affordably. So I also found one seed in a sack I purchased, it seemingly took off in comparison to the other 4 purchased online. It also started to flower while in 18/6 schedule!

I have to say finding useful info on cannabis boards seems almost impossible at times especially when attempting to drop my legal heroin. I was on minimum 180 - 200 mgs oxy daily, now down to half. Have been on it over a decade due to osteo arthritis. I have watched TV shows (Vice network) about Maine rehabs in the woods to detox etc. as well as anything mentioned in the typical media outlets. I am finding cannabis too at times really increase my pain. Now I think perhaps it is due to too high of a dose. That's a big maybe because other times it does not with same strain / dose etc. It has been the acceptance of the media & laws that made me try cannabis as an option.

Reading through descriptions on medical use for a strain is inconsistent to say the least I don't think I have found one description that doesn't relieve pain. Now the (IMO) insane CBD rush, I have seen and think I experienced always a more excited state from CBD.

I digress, I am rambling a bit walked the dog vaped a bowel...anyway if anyone here has some outlined protocol that will help me get off pain pills that would be awesome. Being high during the day is not an option really my tolerance to THC is higher at this time no more take a couple hits and holding on to the wall! No way this is my HS days weed, I stopped smoking sometime in the 80's because I would get sooo paranoid / anxious. This is at times still an issue also usually the best way to reduce the anxiety is to up dosage for me.

I am in a state that is legal medical & I could ask to see the one doc that can recommend MMJ but resist getting a card with the BS & getting to dispensaries. I may still ask my pain doctor about it provided there is no issue when I go back next month. I had second urine in 10 years last time I was in since the "epidemic" has been declared my pain doc does annual urines. I am not sure what those freaking contracts say about herb use. I have read that they are hopefully not testing for it anymore as I have read many sources. I know they test to assure you are taking your meds vs selling black market.

Anyway tips etc and any successful strain related as I prefer to grow my own especially after I have learned so much about pesticides and fertilizers growers may use. I know I have gotten moldy meds as I am pretty allergic to mold. Hopefully I am able to manage my own med production bummer that I began growing my own food at the same time & have spider mites I believe.

I have no access to oils, shatter, wax or the like unless I do a DIY version. I have been making GD tincture & think the dose that gives me a nice buzz may also some days appears to increase my very real pain. Having bi-lateral joint replacements about 20 months ago. If not for this hellish pain I think I could have continued my pill reduction. It is not easy giving up my comfort as my body adjusts to less Oxy. I can only hope that reducing my pain meds allows my brain to adjust to the absence of Oxy however with my current pain level I pushed for the doc to stop reducing until I can manage otherwise.

My difficulties are real pain, but even more so the decreased ability to motivate myself to run my business. I also have two other psychotropic meds Adderal for Adult ADHD it's been with me forever just never medicated until recent history. The other is Valium to relax muscles in my legs. It is really helpful which is another area I hoped to have MMJ assist me. I have played with smaller doses during the day.

So my hunt thus far is for strains helpful with Pain, Anxiety, Muscle relaxation, finally I forgot to deal with insomnia. What I read about CBD levels there are many variables on your end yields. Currently I know I can take 3 droppers depending on the batch of my GD wait a few hours and as the buzz fades that nice drowsiness kicks in. Seems to help with not waking in the middle of the night I also will just use my ABV as an edible take .2 -.4 grams and a handful of whatever nuts or peanut butter to assist absorption. I may stay that route as GD tends to bother membranes using daily the issue as you all probably know is edibles can get a bit too intense.

I am unsure when I can & if I can get off the big pharma poisons but would love to find strains, dosings etc to just use cannabis for symptoms they "treat" . I have done similar things with food, 95% vegan now & seeing the merit in organic or minimally no herbicides or pesticides to help my aging body! The consequences have been a 50lb drop in weight & I think feeling better. One major plus is I was able to dump BP medication just with diet alone! Tough to gauge energy levels due to daily pain & massive depression from hell how much physically better I may feel.

I think cannabis has helped and does with the depression, it can kill my motivation however as I am obsessed to learn to farm my own meds. My goal, get off all pharma based drugs where possible more so now the opiods as they do suck the life from me no doubt.

My apology for any infringement of forum policy, if I did not post this now I will probably never do so. Feel free to PM me post here with suggestions etc. this is a freaky thing to really push through my fears and pain to further reduce opiods. I saw activity last night when I began this post. Kind of ironic I only went here last night after looking for help with my first grow!

I have gone through most of docs Sue has created some is redundant as to what I have found before & I get it that it will take time with much experimentation. I do have questions about being high during the day or while working, I tend to imbibe until I can feel at least some psychoactive effects which seems contraindicated. I also have quite a tolerance at this point as I am a daily user since coming home to cannabis.

Sorting through a lot of medical hype vs efficacy is proving difficult, I also have an innate belief that I think is surely changed now that strains mean squat! First I think trying some Headband which I am still uncertain wasn't just titrating that caused unpleasant sensations on my left part of my head. I believe now as I was able to get some Jack 47 and found myself so giggly. I asked my partner if she noticed the same proclivity & she concurred. OK so strains matter! LOL

So my goal is to get off or at worst really reduce the opiod meds, I have arthritis as such pain daily. Initial diagnosis to time from first joint replacement was under a year. Nothing but Oxy's helps with my pain. I had issues with substances in my youth as such was attempting to avoid any psychoactive drugs. that was almost 20 years ago. I now have multiple joint replacements that last are nothing short of hell. Pain seems worse than it was before surgery. But at almost 200 mgs daily of Oxy hard to say how bad it hurt. At half or less dose now but I have less of a life.

I could go on and on if you can't tell so I will save everyone a few mins and sign of thanks for reading if nothing else this is a commitment to get back on track reducing opiods. I look forward to all of your experiences & will go back through older posts to see what has helped others.

One other thing with cannabis & increased pain, anyone have ideas about why it occurs? My partner and I think probably as cannabis use increases most experiences perceived pain also can be increased. As I am in flowering on my very first grow I hope to make some topicals to try at $300-$400 oz. I cannot afford to buy enough to begin playing with my black market buys. It would be awesome to get relief from something I grow myself with total quality controls.


TIA

NoobGrow1

 

[Derbybud]

Well noob i'm going to let Sue answer the questions cause she does it best but I wanted to welcome you to our fine family. I was sneaking around paranoid for about 9 months until I joined and became even more paranoid until I got talked off the ledge by some of these great people who can help with just about anything. This site is rather secure as you have your log in name and things are scrambled in the background to protect who you are and where you live. I have a rather high profile job that I can't afford to loose. I get drug tested and would be out of a job instantly. Now the reason i grow is for my 21 year old daughter. At the age of 14 she was diagnosed with RA, Fibromyalgia, bowel issues as well as passes kidney stones like most people urinate. She has been on drugs that would make her hair fall out, nausea too the point we would have to go to the ER about every week and a half for a run off 9 months because she was so dehydrated she would pass out and wasn't able to keep any of her meds down(I think she now has a wing in her name at that hospital). She was on 23 different medications including perks for her pain which she hated as she was once addicted when she broke her back. She is a nerd in the fact that she researches everything. Things got really bad one Sunday over a year and a half ago and she couldn't take the pain anymore. I asked her if she had any friends that smoked pot at school. She reluctantly said she did but with all her other meds she just started away from anything street related. I told her it would be fine if one of them would come over and take 3-4 hits. Within 5 min. She had less than 30% of her pain.
So fast tract to today. Down to 3 meds and what she tells her daddy to grow for her. Remember that nerd thing? She knows what she can smoke, vape, oils, edibles, ect and which stains to get her thru different parts of the day. She hasn't been able to sleep more than 4 hours in any sitting before and now she gets a solid 8 almost daily. She now partakes in activities again that I though would just be memories. So we do things cause we have to and I've found this to be the safest most reliable place to do it. I'm sorry for the rambling but I want you to feel safe and the way I see it if something happens I at least gave it my all trying to help my daughter. I live in a state that had no medical or rec. So my buts on the line.

 

[SweetSue]

Yes ma’am, it does feel good to get up in the morning!

Good, that was the answer I was anticipating. Lol!

I’m so proud of you I could burst.

 

[SweetSue]

Well hello @noobgrow1

That was a bit rambling, but you know what? We’d rather you fill pages of rambling than stay silent in this room.

Ok, first things first. Mites....so sorry they choose to take over your first grow. Damn! That deserves another hug.

Get yourself some spinosad and spray the plants every three days for a couple weeks. If at all possible, keep the grow with the mites isolated. I worked that tent naked to keep from carrying them out and showered every single time when I finished handling them for any reason. I successfully eliminated them from two separate tents, so sometimes it pays to be unconventional.

Before I start trying to answer your questions....

@Derbybud ......your story moved me to tears remembering that moment when my own daughter took her first hits and her life changed completely.

Ok... I’m back.

That was rather convoluted but there were a couple things I wanted to touch on. To begin, are you using a topical, and if not can you either make your own (preferred) or purchase one? You live with many symptoms that would find relief with a potent topical, including a lightening of the mood. We can speak about the finer points later, for now I’m encouraging you to use one.

If you can’t access one we can talk about overcoming that challenge too.

Back at the beginning of the thread you’ll find a recipe for an essential oil topical - not made with cannabis - to relieve leg spasms. A cannabis topical with lavender oil will be most helpful as well, and drops of lavender oil on a cloth set under your pillow may help you fall asleep easier.

Stepping beyond topicals, there’s no reason I know of that you can’t attempt to taper using cannabis, when you’re ready to try again. Don’t beat yourself up for hesitating, the pain is very real.

Pain.... why would cannabis cause you to feel more pain? Well, cannabis is a biphasic medication, meaning that you can overshoot the optimal therapeutic dose and create the very thing you were treating.

Opioids increase the pain by perverting your body’s ability to modulate pain, actively increasing pain perception. With cannabis the answer is to back off the dose, in fact back way off and restart the titration. In almost every case the dose the endocannabinoid system responds best to is much lower than anyone thought.

For most chronic pain patients a balanced ratio of THC to CBD brings the most consistent relief. Unfortunately, prohibition screwed up genetics and many chemovars being grown are very high THC and negligible CBD.

Well, turns out the increase in CBD makes a big difference, and we shouldn’t be so surprised by that. In the wild cannabis typically expresses a more balanced cannabinoid ratio, or one slightly higher in CBD. Who’d of thought that Mother Nature might know what she was doing. Lol!

You can easily balance out the ratios these days by adding CBD isolate. I don’t often recommend an isolate, since the major cannabinoids work so well as a partnership, but that’s what we’re doing here - using the isolate to lift the CBD levels.

When you get the ratios to 1:5 THC:CBD you pretty much eliminate psychoactivity, and at that point you can raise the volume levels of both cannabinoids in balance to find the pain relief your body needs.

Your recounting of your history of agitation and paranoia when using cannabis suggests a need to be cautious about the terpene profiles.

Practical applications:

* I’d suggest you find a way to increase your CBD levels to 1:3 or 1:5 and then increase them together to find a point where you have enough pain management that you’re ready to taper off the opioids.

* The taper is laid out pretty concisely in the initial post of this thread. The team will work with you to adapt it to you. To be honest, every member that’s tried this has gone about it in an individual way.

We’re a pretty supportive team, and we’ve learned that the most important part of this work is simply to be there. You won’t find a more responsive team to help you than this room attracts.

* Get a topical and use it every time something goes “Ouch!”

* If I were going to grow something for chronic pain it’d be an even ratio chemovar. From the sound of it you’d be well-advised to stick to indicas. It’s the sativas that most often cause mind games. I’d be thinking about my sensitivity and trying to figure out which terpenes were doing this to my system.

Critical Mass springs to mind as a balanced ratio chemovar. By now there are many others and more being bred as we speak.

You’re correct about the convoluted gene pool for cannabis, and that’ll only get more exciting as we go. Lol!

I’m gonna stop there because by God, that’s a lot to take in at a single sitting.

Hey... let’s accept that we’ll have lots of these conversations and you’ll eventually give the taper a go. No one’s gonna push you to do that until you’re ready. Getting your pain levels under control first increases your chances for success.

We’re gonna introduce you to some fun concepts like hug therapy and laughter, but let’s let you find a comfy seat first and decide you can trust us. We have lots of time and we’re not going anywhere.

Oh yeah, when we get to know one another better we can have the conversation about how suppositories can be a godsend for deep, chronic pain that nothing else touches.

And maybe another conversation about increasing bioavailability so this expensive medicine goes further.

Good to meet you.

 

[Derbybud]

Didn't mean to bring out the tears but when I wrote that I shed a few myself. Thinking back we were almost too the point of giving up. Then came 420.
And as always, thanks for the hugs. Back at cha
Thanks for all you do

 

[noobgrow1]

Thanks so much for the incredibly fast & warm welcome I am in tears myself. I found the link to the Dr. Sulak's site & my head really spun with getting my tolerance down only to titrate again. Really seems counter intuitive to me. I will post on his site with my questions / comments when I have some more time, & go through the site a bit more before making any snap judgments.

I did rad last night & began today trying a small dose of my GD tincture with my Perocet dose I think it does help as described that is like a major ah-ha moment. I am strangely curious why my searches typically have led me more often to sites other than 420Mag but irrelevant now. I am here & so grateful to SSue & Derby for the almost immediate replies, can't tell you how much it means.

I will look into backing off & re-titrate if that is even a word. I will look into the other oils recommended lavender! Can't tell you how often I have seen recommended lavender I believe my partner has some upstairs now. I read this morning about self made patches that is really my only option. There is no purchasing them in my state legally at present.

There is nothing more than getting off these f****ing pills, they have sucked my soul dry for at least the past decade, initially they allowed me to function with the pain. However anyone here is probably aware that doesn't last. With my last surgery & lack of relief I have been so beaten down so I will continue my experimentation with the help & support from you all here. I know I can stop the pills I did it after my first joint replacement, that was sans cannabis & a real PITA also after having my knees scoped about 10 years back I was down to 2-3 percocet daily.

I imagine others experience withdrawal at each dose reduction I get this with any psychoactive compound, Nicotine was the first one I experienced it, a few times with opiods & benzos but less with the benzos for whatever reason. The tough thing with any psychoactive substance site & setting also plays into experience affects.

I have used CBD isolate with some success when I begin feeling too anxious & I think it does help the only thing I really trust dosages is with pure crystallized powder then if it is actually CBD at least I am more certain of controlling dosage. I hear you on the whole plant, that is one of my reasons to grow in the first place total control over what goes in or on that plant is my choice. Once I get some successful gardening going I will not be at the financial mercy which leads to minimal plant material & freaking out decarbing directly.

I think I mentioned I am growing with CropKing Seeds & currently have 2 of their CBD strain either 2:1 or the other that is 1:1 unfortunately they ship with only initials on the little ziplocks. Initials look as if they would be the same. Either way I will see what turns up. I have read exhaustively looking for high CBD seeds. I have just recently seen much higher strains available NN1 & I think CD2 I probably have names wrong but reading on the seedbank's descriptions they say it will vary based on growing conditions etc., etc.

That brings me to lab testing so I can clone and / or breed once I have strains I am after, that is assuming they produce the affects I am after. Of course breeders hopefully come up with some nicely balanced strains. Our culture really likes to find that one thing ie: CBD that will be the panacea. It is NEVER one thing now is it?!

One other question if I am working at micro or small doses does that translate to not medicating for euphoria or just making sure to do so less often? I can't seem to make tinctures w/o "testing" right? ; ) I jest of course but I would be bummed a bit if I have to forego the giggle & deeper discussion sessions with my beloved. That doesn't mean I will not do it but it would be a bit sad about it, laughing like a giddy school boy in love for the first time would be a bummer.

Anyway thanks again for the suggestions , guidance and general positive vibes. I am so glad to have found this forum. Will do my best to ask specific question or relate experiences going forward thank you again!

One question re: CBD cultivation, any grow tips to assure I get a given plant to produce optimal CBD aside from strain selection?

Also affordable lab testing would be appreciated I have found a couple of sites but now that I am no longer a lurker guess asking for a referral beats trial & error wasting time and money. If forum rule prohibit please send me a PM it is greatly appreciated. I do not want to begin making medicine unless I am sure of THC:CBD ratios.

If I can get really high CBD nothing stoops me from mixing in a THC strain after the fact into a tincture or flower mix for desired results. I look forward to my first harvest this hobby by necessity has proven a great depression lifter by itself, I absolutely love growing meds and food as much as possible.

Noob1

 

[SweetSue]

Growing has the unexpected benefit of exposing the cultivator to a continuous supply of terpenes, and it’s terpenes that direct the action of the cannabinoids. When we ingest cannabis we get them in a total package, but inhaling them directly off the biosphere of the plant in production still interacts with your body’s ECS. A sense of well-being accompanies any cannabis cultivation. It’s simple biology.

In answer to the question of CBD enhancement, the word in the professional realm is take the plant as soon as the trichomes begin to flush from clear to cloudy. It’s said that this is the optimal time for CBD development.

What carrier are you using for tinctures? Forgive me if you’ve already told me. It’s been a busy week here. Lol!

I approve of the chemovar cannabinoid ratio choices. Regardless, you should reasonably expect a balanced ratio, and once you try that you can adjust with additions of THC and/or CBD for more relief, if necessary.

Using multiple administration methods appears to have many benefits over a singular choice for dosing. Edibles make sleep more easily attainable and sustainable, and 25 mg of THC is showing itself to be the upper limit for some serious pain. Get the ratios right for your system and you get better results with lower doses.

Topicals are indispensable for any condition IMHO. Suppositories are an option for times when the gut can’t take the load without distress. Capsules permit a more controlled dosing and create a baseline of available reserve phytocannabinoids the body can count on.

You see I’m a fan of getting the cannabinoids in there from many directions. I’m also a proponent of adding some acid cannabinoids into the regimen, something done as simply as chewing on a bit of bud or sprinkling cannabis powder over your food as well as the better-known canna smoothies.

Diversity makes us stronger. Mix it up some and your body thanks you with accelerated healing.

 

[SweetSue]

@noobgrow1, I wouldn’t hesitate to use the oil without lab testing to verify cannabinoid counts. At this time testing is a frustration. Give it another year or so and that’ll begin to change.

Phytocannabinoids interface with the body’s healing system. Sure, it’s helpful to fine-tune the regimen with knowledge of the components, but quite frankly that’s not gonna make as much difference in the treatment plan as it may appear.

A cannabis therapy is pretty straightforward, regardless of the disease state you’re treating. This isn’t like pharma meds and we really don’t need to run ourselves ragged trying to make it act like one.

My personal opinion, mind you, and a nonconventional one, to say the least.

 

[Ganjagrowergu]

@noobgrow1, I wouldn’t hesitate to use the oil without lab testing to verify cannabinoid counts. At this time testing is a frustration. Give it another year or so and that’ll begin to change.

Phytocannabinoids interface with the body’s healing system. Sure, it’s helpful to fine-tune the regimen with knowledge of the components, but quite frankly that’s not gonna make as much difference in the treatment plan as it may appear.

A cannabis therapy is pretty straightforward, regardless of the disease state you’re treating. This isn’t like pharma meds and we really don’t need to run ourselves ragged trying to make it act like one.

My personal opinion, mind you, and a nonconventional one, to say the least.

Keeping this in mind for the wife...

 

[SweetSue]

@noobgrow1, we haven’t fully explored the cautions a chronic pain patient may have to pay attention to when euphoria is the intent. I share your rejection of the feeling that comes with thinking it would have to be set aside to find relief. I believe there’s a way, we simply haven’t explored enough territory yet.

My gut says find the regimen that controls the pain and taper off the opioids and it won’t be the concern we think it might. You’re going to have a sense of wellbeing regardless, but I have this feeling that once you find your baseline regimen and learn to stick to that schedule of administration you’ll find you can slip right into euphoria without a care.

Wellbeing.... at the top of the thoracic spine, where it meets with the neck vertebrae, is an area particularly useful with topicals. There are unmyelated axons under the surface that’ll shuttle the cannabinoids into the brain without euphoria.

You can hold off and even settle a headache, including a migraine, with topical application to this area. It’ll also lighten the mood. Give it a go and experience relief yourself.

 

[Derbybud]

Ok I've grown both the CBD strains from the King. (Not a sponsor anymore) One should be marked cbdream and the other cbdt. The dream is a indica leaning 1-1 at 6% both cbd & thc and the cbdt is their Dutch treat that is a sativa leaning 2-1 cbd @ 8% & thc @ 4%
My daughter Lopin loves the dream in the evenings. Just mellows out her stress and pain. The Dutch treat she likes to take as an oil about 2-3 times a day and starts when she first wakes up. Now with some of her pain she does have an assortment of high thc stains that she'll smoke or vape as needed throughout the day and evening. She does say that at times the sativa Dutch treat will make her jittery and she'll just quit for a day or 2 and be good. Both are easy growers.

 

[Dirtdemon]

Good, that was the answer I was anticipating. Lol!

I’m so proud of you I could burst.

Thank you Sue, you have no idea how important it is to me to not disappoint you. You have been a big contributing factor to my success. One day I will be able to give you a real hug. Idk how or when but I believe I will get the opportunity to look you in the eyes and say thank you.
I am trucking right now and I’m implementing your plan with my brain. And it’s helping more solid advice from you thank you!

 

[Derbybud]

Nice hearing from ya dirt. Sounds like the new job is just what you needed. Stay safe on the roads.

 

[SweetSue]

Thank you Sue, you have no idea how important it is to me to not disappoint you. You have been a big contributing factor to my success. One day I will be able to give you a real hug. Idk how or when but I believe I will get the opportunity to look you in the eyes and say thank you.
I am trucking right now and I’m implementing your plan with my brain. And it’s helping more solid advice from you thank you!

There is nothing that you could do that would ever disappoint me. Just so you know. Lol! I deliberately choose to live without judgement. I mean....you have no idea how unconventional I can be, and I've been judged most of my life. I don't much respond to judgement, and that has a way of putting judgemental people on edge. Lol!

Silly me, I enjoy pushing those buttons sometimes. Lol!

Dirtdemon..... I plan to start traveling around once I'm settled in New Orleans, probably sometime next year. Eventually we'll find ourselves in the same geographical location and we can get those hugs in. That "thank you" goes both ways. Drive safe.

 

[Dirtdemon]

Nice hearing from ya dirt. Sounds like the new job is just what you needed. Stay safe on the roads.

I do agree DB, I feel way better about myself. And to put the cherry on top Mandi got a job in town. Everything is just falling into place.