Opioid Tapering With Cannabis: A Regimen

[LadyAshwynn]

You guys are all amazing, and I'm feeling a little better about what I have ahead of me-- getting off of those 4 doses per day of Norco 5-325 (one of which is illicit) and Tramadol ER, before I then go on to trying to get rid of or reducing the rest of the pile of meds I take (Gabapentin, tizanidine, dopamax--I mean Topamax, etc.)

I'm initially only going to have access to tinctures in the form of 250mg/24:1 and 1:1 and some 24:1 lozenges although I can order 5:1 tincture if needed, and a vape. They also offer the tinctures in 1000mg.
My state is illegal and I don't have a dealer, so no weed to supplement for me at this time. Even if I could get some, I'd have no control over what strain it was. I'll hopefully be growing soon.
The fun starts later this week!

 

[John Wick]

Hello everyone, just checking in after 5 almost 24 hour day haying my fields.
Everything hurts but I didn't take more than prescribed (they already took 90% of my meds away) and that's a major step for me.
My girls are starting to flower so I still have to wait for real relief. I'm embarrassed to say this but damn, puffing on some chopped sugar leaf's are sure helping me out.
Been reading along here and have to tell Mr Dirt Deamon that I am truly proud of him especially resisting knocking "Joe Blow" on his Kester. Good job Mr Dirt.
And you Mr 9mm, way cool about your having Vic's laying around and
'Stay'in Strong' Whoop Whoop!
As far as MS Lady, Girl you have the begining of the Rest of your life ahead of you ! Trust in yourself.
Well that's what I need to say and I believe it's time for
Some Honey Roasted Peanuts, yum.
Stay strong all.

Wick.

 

[John Wick]

I'm embarrassed, Please forgive me Sweet Sue, the had a temporary brain fart and didn't say hello to you. Again please forgive me.
'Hello Sweet, you're an Angel from Heaven and I thank God for you.
Everybody have a wonderful Green Day.
I'm going back to munching on my Peanuts .

Wick

 

[Preston9mm]

You guys are all amazing, and I'm feeling a little better about what I have ahead of me-- getting off of those 4 doses per day of Norco 5-325 (one of which is illicit) and Tramadol ER, before I then go on to trying to get rid of or reducing the rest of the pile of meds I take (Gabapentin, tizanidine, dopamax--I mean Topamax, etc.)

I'm initially only going to have access to tinctures in the form of 250mg/24:1 and 1:1 and some 24:1 lozenges although I can order 5:1 tincture if needed, and a vape. They also offer the tinctures in 1000mg.
My state is illegal and I don't have a dealer, so no weed to supplement for me at this time. Even if I could get some, I'd have no control over what strain it was. I'll hopefully be growing soon.
The fun starts later this week!

I'll be around anytime for someone trying to kick.... Message away if you're looking for help or if you just need someone to bitch to. LoL
It took me 3 full years to get clean... total of 8 on opiates & benzos. I can hopefully relate to the struggle as you jam through it. It is 100% possible!

 

[Dirtdemon]

Hey guys a little update. There are so many ups and downs with my battle. 2 days ago I felt like a million bucks. Last night not so much of being honest I felt pretty dang low.
My gf is busting her ass in the heat for rediculous amount of hours while I sit at home because I’m a junkie. Yesterday was my Bday and by 8pm all I could think about was getting high. The thoughts were controlling me, I couldn’t stop it. But I made it through still feeling useless and like a boy instead of a man.

DLF finished product

• Dirtdemon
• Jul 25, 2018

On a better note I have weed ready for SS pain cream so there’s that. Hope y’all are great.

 

[Preston9mm]

Hey guys a little update. There are so many ups and downs with my battle. 2 days ago I felt like a million bucks. Last night not so much of being honest I felt pretty dang low.
My gf is busting her ass in the heat for rediculous amount of hours while I sit at home because I’m a junkie. Yesterday was my Bday and by 8pm all I could think about was getting high. The thoughts were controlling me, I couldn’t stop it. But I made it through still feeling useless and like a boy instead of a man.

DLF finished product

• Dirtdemon
• Jul 25, 2018

On a better note I have weed ready for SS pain cream so there’s that. Hope y’all are great.

Our brains do some funky stuff when we cut that junk out of our lives. Depression would come/go for awhile as I was readjusting. Hope you have a nice sativa on hand to perk you up a bit.

Never think for a minute that you are useless or not a man. It takes monster man balls to kick opiates. Many others dont even try!

 

[Dirtdemon]

Our brains do some funky stuff when we cut that junk out of our lives. Depression would come/go for awhile as I was readjusting. Hope you have a nice sativa on hand to perk you up a bit.

Never think for a minute that you are useless or not a man. It takes monster man balls to kick opiates. Many others dont even try!

Thanks brother, I understand what your saying but I can’t stop the thoughts. All I have is hybrid on hand. So I smoked a fatty and honestly made me feel worse. Made me concentrate on the thoughts more so. I am walking around because I can’t take sitting in the apartment. I am holding on because I know it will pass and I will feel good again. It’s just a matter of time. Thanks for the chat brother!

 

[Preston9mm]

Thanks brother, I understand what your saying but I can’t stop the thoughts. All I have is hybrid on hand. So I smoked a fatty and honestly made me feel worse. Made me concentrate on the thoughts more so. I am walking around because I can’t take sitting in the apartment. I am holding on because I know it will pass and I will feel good again. It’s just a matter of time. Thanks for the chat brother!

It does pass... and become less frequent. I struggled with that as I got forced into retirement by the Navy. I was in alpha-male type jobs my whole career then broke my back and was on bedrest for 6 months. Boredom drove my depression, but feelings of inadequacy plagued me because I couldn't do the tough jobs anymore. You will find all sorts of new ways to challenge yourself, I'm sure.

"This too shall pass"

 

[SweetSue]

Ok... first off I have to say how proud I am that you are all here for each other.

Now.... My husband and I married the year the steel industry crashed in our hometown. 250,000 Pittsburgers relocated to keep afloat. Those of us who stayed had a few years of challenge. Lol! My husband and I started with one child already with us and immediately got pregnant with our second.

For 7 years he found no work. None at all. We lived on the largesse of my mother who shared her home with us and about $200 cash and $300 foodstamps a month. Obviously, you get a lot of help from others.

What kept us together was a simple conversation we had at the beginning where I explained to him that he was not, and would never be defined by the amount of money he did or did not bring into our home.

At the time I wasn’t thinking it was possible to go 7 years unemployed. I meant what I said, and money or productivity never became a point of frustration in the relationship.

When his health went terribly bad and we spent twenty years running ahead of death and supporting the medical establishment it became a challenge to help him see himself as a point of joy in my life rather than the burden his mind kept trying to tell himself he was.

I’m not your typical woman, I’ll admit, but you know what a woman really wants? It’s not your money or your things or your status. When she wakes up in the morning she wants to see you there beside her. When she comes home at night it’s into your loving arms she wants to fall.

Women are really simple creatures. We want to be cherished. @Dirtdemon, she goes to work because she chooses to. It’s you she gets to come home to. I think you got this.

About the job.... have him put it in writing, to be destroyed after the firing. He want them to trust him. Let him trust them right back.

 

[SweetSue]

Your way stronger than I am Brother, I don’t think I could handle that right now. But in time That will change I know it. Congratulations being able to avoid temptation that is right in front of you is a huge deal in my eyes.

No sane person would expect you to be that strong. Someday maybe, but certainly not now.

Good work on the CBD oil. I’m looking forward to your report on efficacy.

Hello everyone, just checking in after 5 almost 24 hour day haying my fields.
Everything hurts but I didn't take more than prescribed (they already took 90% of my meds away) and that's a major step for me.
My girls are starting to flower so I still have to wait for real relief. I'm embarrassed to say this but damn, puffing on some chopped sugar leaf's are sure helping me out.
Been reading along here and have to tell Mr Dirt Deamon that I am truly proud of him especially resisting knocking "Joe Blow" on his Kester. Good job Mr Dirt.
And you Mr 9mm, way cool about your having Vic's laying around and
'Stay'in Strong' Whoop Whoop!
As far as MS Lady, Girl you have the begining of the Rest of your life ahead of you ! Trust in yourself.
Well that's what I need to say and I believe it's time for
Some Honey Roasted Peanuts, yum.
Stay strong all.

Wick.

Well done John. Now I’m curious as to why puffing on sugar leaves is a thing to be embarrassed of? You’ve been picking from the growing plant?

Welcome to the club. I’d venture a guess that every one of us has done the same. Hehehe!

Hey..... find relief when you can. I’ve smoked fan leaves in desperate moments. Growing my own with focus on medicine changed the game and I now have a stock to pull from.

I'm embarrassed, Please forgive me Sweet Sue, the had a temporary brain fart and didn't say hello to you. Again please forgive me.
'Hello Sweet, you're an Angel from Heaven and I thank God for you.
Everybody have a wonderful Green Day.
I'm going back to munching on my Peanuts .

Wick

Wick, please..... lol! Thank you. I’m not always angelic, you know.

while I sit at home because I’m a junkie.

There are no junkies here. If you insist on hanging onto the word add “former” to the description.

The conversations we have with ourselves are the most critical. For too long your identification with yourself was “junkie.” Rewrite that into something more telling of who you really are.

Yesterday was my Bday and by 8pm all I could think about was getting high. The thoughts were controlling me, I couldn’t stop it. But I made it through still feeling useless and like a boy instead of a man.

And a Happy Belated Birthday to you.



This one had to feel better than the last. Next one will be profoundly better. Keep reminding yourself “Things always work out for me.”

It’s gonna be a good year.

Thanks brother, I understand what your saying but I can’t stop the thoughts. All I have is hybrid on hand. So I smoked a fatty and honestly made me feel worse. Made me concentrate on the thoughts more so. I am walking around because I can’t take sitting in the apartment. I am holding on because I know it will pass and I will feel good again. It’s just a matter of time. Thanks for the chat brother!

Whatever that was that you were smoking.... I’d delegate it to sleep meds as soon as it was convenient to do so. Sounds like the wrong terpene combinations for you.

 

[SweetSue]

You guys are all amazing, and I'm feeling a little better about what I have ahead of me-- getting off of those 4 doses per day of Norco 5-325 (one of which is illicit) and Tramadol ER, before I then go on to trying to get rid of or reducing the rest of the pile of meds I take (Gabapentin, tizanidine, dopamax--I mean Topamax, etc.)

I'm initially only going to have access to tinctures in the form of 250mg/24:1 and 1:1 and some 24:1 lozenges although I can order 5:1 tincture if needed, and a vape. They also offer the tinctures in 1000mg.
My state is illegal and I don't have a dealer, so no weed to supplement for me at this time. Even if I could get some, I'd have no control over what strain it was. I'll hopefully be growing soon.
The fun starts later this week!

Welcome to the room LadyAshwynn.

I’m curious as to your planned regimen. This is all so new to everyone that it feels like we’re writing the playbook, so any particulars you care to share will be appreciated.

I’m assuming the ratios you posted for your meds were listed as CBD:THC, since that dominance in THC isn’t really gonna do it. Lol!

May I ask what pain you’re treating with that wicked cocktail?

I agree with your confidence in yourself. I’ve noticed that it’s taking the step into the unknown surrounded by supportive friends that seems to be the magic bullet. Well.... the high CBD was a real eye-opener, wasn’t it?

I can assure you you won’t be alone.

 

[Dirtdemon]

Ok... first off I have to say how proud I am that you are all here for each other.

Now.... My husband and I married the year the steel industry crashed in our hometown. 250,000 Pittsburgers relocated to keep afloat. Those of us who stayed had a few years of challenge. Lol! My husband and I started with one child already with us and immediately got pregnant with our second.

For 7 years he found no work. None at all. We lived on the largesse of my mother who shared her home with us and about $200 cash and $300 foodstamps a month. Obviously, you get a lot of help from others.

What kept us together was a simple conversation we had at the beginning where I explained to him that he was not, and would never be defined by the amount of money he did or did not bring into our home.

At the time I wasn’t thinking it was possible to go 7 years unemployed. I meant what I said, and money or productivity never became a point of frustration in the relationship.

When his health went terribly bad and we spent twenty years running ahead of death and supporting the medical establishment it became a challenge to help him see himself as a point of joy in my life rather than the burden his mind kept trying to tell himself he was.

I’m not your typical woman, I’ll admit, but you know what a woman really wants? It’s not your money or your things or your status. When she wakes up in the morning she wants to see you there beside her. When she comes home at night it’s into your loving arms she wants to fall.

Women are really simple creatures. We want to be cherished. @Dirtdemon, she goes to work because she chooses to. It’s you she gets to come home to. I think you got this.

About the job.... have him put it in writing, to be destroyed after the firing. He want them to trust him. Let him trust them right back.

It’s truly not the money, I still bring in enough with my benefits to support us. We have never been hung up on money. Basically there is just money in our home not mine and yours. It’s just the principle of the matter. A man is supposed to get up and go to work. It doesn’t matter what the job is wether it’s a minimum wage job or a high paying career. What dictates a man is going to work. I have lived by that ever since I dropped out of school at 17. Now I sit at home because I wasn’t strong enough to keep a tiny pill from taking over my life. I am trying to change my mood. Went walking for a long while. Going to throw on a comedy special or 5 and eat some cookies. I am looking forward to this passing. I know it will and I keep reminding myself how I don’t want Mandi going through the pill BS again. That would kill me to cause that pain again.

 

[Dirtdemon]

And a Happy Belated Birthday to you.



This one had to feel better than the last. Next one will be profoundly better. Keep reminding yourself “Things always work out for me.”

It’s gonna be a good year.

Thank you, yes you make a great point, my first bday in 10 years being clean. That really never crossed my mind in that way. I felt good in the morning but it slipped away.
Thank you

 

[SweetSue]

It’s truly not the money, I still bring in enough with my benefits to support us. We have never been hung up on money. Basically there is just money in our home not mine and yours. It’s just the principle of the matter. A man is supposed to get up and go to work. It doesn’t matter what the job is wether it’s a minimum wage job or a high paying career. What dictates a man is going to work. I have lived by that ever since I dropped out of school at 17. Now I sit at home because I wasn’t strong enough to keep a tiny pill from taking over my life. I am trying to change my mood. Went walking for a long while. Going to throw on a comedy special or 5 and eat some cookies. I am looking forward to this passing. I know it will and I keep reminding myself how I don’t want Mandi going through the pill BS again. That would kill me to cause that pain again.

Spend more time thinking and feeling the wonder of what lies ahead and less on what you went through. The vibration of what lies ahead is what you want to be sending out. It’ll attract the answers.

Laughter is one of the best ways to get answers to come through. Have fun. Lol!

 

[LadyAshwynn]

Welcome to the room LadyAshwynn.

I’m curious as to your planned regimen. This is all so new to everyone that it feels like we’re writing the playbook, so any particulars you care to share will be appreciated.

I’m assuming the ratios you posted for your meds were listed as CBD:THC, since that dominance in THC isn’t really gonna do it. Lol!

Hello SweetSue! Yes, those ratios are CBD:THC. My supplier's suggestion for dosage is very similar to yours-- begin with a high CBD to THC ratio and then adjust as needed. (I read this entire thread before posting in it, so I saw how it started the other way around.)

That supplier is in California and he informed me in no uncertain terms that he thinks my state's cannabis oil law is complete crap (which I agree with) and offered me "useful" medication which I took him up on. So in addition to the 1:1 tincture I got, he sent me some lozenges. Now I was expecting these to be 24:1 for some reason but I opened the box and they're pure THC. LOL! Highly illegal in my state. Not that I'm complaining.

May I ask what pain you’re treating with that wicked cocktail?

The opioids were prescribed to treat various problems in my back and shoulder. I had surgery at C4-C5 to correct a herniated disc; an unsuccessful surgery at L4-L5 to correct spinal stenosis, and I have multiple untreated fractures in my T-spine. The fact that I have MS makes it undesirable to have me go back under the knife to correct the failed surgery and I'm definitely not a good candidate to correct the multiple fractures in the T-spine. Getting a spinal cord stimulator is an option on the table, but if things can be taken care of in a less invasive way, that's preferable.

In addition, I've got a lot of weird neuropathic and MS-specific pain going on. All of this stuff breaks through the drugs I take. I never asked for more opioids because I don't want them, but damn, those T-spine fractures make it really hard to sit, and the neuropathic pain and the lumbar pain makes it hard to stand. So where does that leave me??

I agree with your confidence in yourself. I’ve noticed that it’s taking the step into the unknown surrounded by supportive friends that seems to be the magic bullet.

I think it is.

Well.... the high CBD was a real eye-opener, wasn’t it?

Just came today and I've only taken my first dose, which was a really low dose of the 24:1. I felt pleasant, but it didn't make a dent in the pain. I think I can take a larger dose at bedtime, which I will need because I don't sleep very well.

I couldn't help but try one of those lozenges too, after I'd given the tincture a chance to work. It did actually help and it also gave me a nice head buzz. Bless my supplier!

I can assure you you won’t be alone.

I'm happy to make this my hangout thread and offer support to others!

 

[Dirtdemon]

Hey guys, so here’s what I did. I ate a dozen of my gummies and 2 cookies. Washed them down with a 5 hour energy. Then I smoked some roaches I had from pink lady. That strain always brightened me up. Then I watched Kevin Hart’s what now. Then Joan rivers
Anyone that can stay depressed after that must be dead. I hope I stay feeling good for the rest of the night.

 

[Preston9mm]

Hey guys, so here’s what I did. I ate a dozen of my gummies and 2 cookies. Washed them down with a 5 hour energy. Then I smoked some roaches I had from pink lady. That strain always brightened me up. Then I watched Kevin Hart’s what now. Then Joan rivers
Anyone that can stay depressed after that must be dead. I hope I stay feeling good for the rest of the night.

Thatta- boy! Hell's yeah. That actually put a smile on my face. LoL.

 

[Dirtdemon]

Hey y’all. Feeling some what better still. I got a email this evening that I am registered with the licensed producer so I placed my first order. I ordered
- Solveris11 - 15/0 - 0.2
trutiva <1/13
Sedamen20 - 24/0.25
CrumbleCannabis 5 - 8/10 - 16

I am looking forward to trying the high cbd I must admit. It will be great, even more excited about the edibles that are to come. It sure ain’t cheap let me tell you. I understand they have more expenses then the average dude with it being inspected and what not but golly average $10 to $15 g with most huvering between $12.50 to $15. That’s a hard pill to swallow(lol see what I did there). But I have to tuff it out until next appointment in two months then I can get paperwork to grow wahoo. Well it’s midnight I’m going to try and go to sleep

 

[SweetSue]

Sleep well Dirtdemon.

At $10 + a gram they’re building a solid foundation for the black market.

Cannabis is as dangerous to the general public as garlic and requires the same level of oversight and regulation.

Just my in-the-trenches conclusions.

 

[Dirtdemon]

Sleep well Dirtdemon.

At $10 + a gram they’re building a solid foundation for the black market.

Cannabis is as dangerous to the general public as garlic and requires the same level of oversight and regulation.

Just my in-the-trenches conclusions.

You have such a way with words Sweetsue, garlic bahahaha I do believe garlic should be regulated. All the old guys in my building eat cloves of garlic for health benefits. But golly do they stink, if one enters the hallway within 5 seconds the stench of garlic fills the hallway lol. So for the comfort of other human beings you should have to prove your going to cook with garlic and not just eat it raw. And if you get caught eating it raw definitely need mandatory minimums because it has worked so well in the past. Bahahaha