OldMedman Goes Indoors

Once I get things rolling with my new set-up a bit more and I feel comfortable that it's all dialed in -- CO2 is something I want to try. I think for me it will take a small investment in a controller first to time the CO2 with the fans operation, etc. Also, this product is really interesting:

Exhale

The hydro store near me says that people have been raving about how well this product really works, and it's so simple. Stick it in your grow space above the plants and it "rains down" CO2. Worth checking out - $25-30 for a 6 month supply seems reasonable enough *if* it works.

This is absolutely fascinating! So it uses mycelium to create CO2... Thats just amazing! :bravo: for the find Xlr8! It's cheaper than more CO2 things also!

I have one main concern... While this is cool, I still feel a little "iffy" on fungi around our girls... I do not know much about fungi, but remember that they reproduce by giving off spores.. I do not know if mycelium generates that, or its only when it creates "fruit" (mushrooms). Then again, I don't know if all mycelium generates mushrooms... Maybe the filter bags prevent spores? I don't know.

Maybe I'll write the company. Thanks again Xlr8! :high-five: EDIT: I wrote the company, will let you guys know my findings.

Keep up the good work OMM! Gonna call you tomorrow early early! :) Unless you tell me not to.. Glad your liking indoor growing! It sure seems the girls like it! :cheertwo: You gave'em a hell of a home!
 
Yes, from what I can remember, there are growers who have exactly that going on, Afew breaks here and there to inject the o2, off and on throughout the day, set up on timers to stagger between fans, and the o2 generators, or whatever theyre using....Ohhhh man I wish I had the space!!!! You guys got me all itchy for some big-boy growin!!!
 
This is absolutely fascinating! So it uses mycelium to create CO2... Thats just amazing! :bravo: for the find Xlr8! It's cheaper than more CO2 things also!

I have one main concern... While this is cool, I still feel a little "iffy" on fungi around our girls... I do not know much about fungi, but remember that they reproduce by giving off spores.. I do not know if mycelium generates that, or its only when it creates "fruit" (mushrooms). Then again, I don't know if all mycelium generates mushrooms... Maybe the filter bags prevent spores? I don't know.

Maybe I'll write the company. Thanks again Xlr8! :high-five: EDIT: I wrote the company, will let you guys know my findings.

Keep up the good work OMM! Gonna call you tomorrow early early! :) Unless you tell me not to.. Glad your liking indoor growing! It sure seems the girls like it! :cheertwo: You gave'em a hell of a home!

Hi there THsea :)
Some good questions you just asked. Your so on top of chemicals it's scary.
Folks....this young man knows chemistry like no one I've ever met. It's in his blood. Great helper too.
Call about 4:15 AM, my time, that's when the lights go on for the day. Can't wait to hear what that crazy girl is up to now! :circle-of-love:
 
Yes, from what I can remember, there are growers who have exactly that going on, Afew breaks here and there to inject the o2, off and on throughout the day, set up on timers to stagger between fans, and the o2 generators, or whatever theyre using....Ohhhh man I wish I had the space!!!! You guys got me all itchy for some big-boy growin!!!

Hey Quix ! :)
I think that should work for the co2.

What you are afflicted with is Up Grade Disease. Very common here on 420. You have a piece of candy now, but your sweet tooth wants more !! :high-five:
 
This is absolutely fascinating! So it uses mycelium to create CO2... Thats just amazing! :bravo: for the find Xlr8! It's cheaper than more CO2 things also!

I have one main concern... While this is cool, I still feel a little "iffy" on fungi around our girls... I do not know much about fungi, but remember that they reproduce by giving off spores.. I do not know if mycelium generates that, or its only when it creates "fruit" (mushrooms). Then again, I don't know if all mycelium generates mushrooms... Maybe the filter bags prevent spores? I don't know.

Maybe I'll write the company. Thanks again Xlr8! :high-five: EDIT: I wrote the company, will let you guys know my findings.

Keep up the good work OMM! Gonna call you tomorrow early early! :) Unless you tell me not to.. Glad your liking indoor growing! It sure seems the girls like it! :cheertwo: You gave'em a hell of a home!

THSea -

I asked the same question to a couple of different people at the grow shop - the manager, and a customer that was there who'd used it. They were adamant that the fungi are safe around all types of plants and not something to worry about (besides, it was created for this purpose so that makes a lot of sense that they'd think that through). I don't think you have anything to worry about. Plus, I believe everything is sealed inside with only a vent "patch" of some sort that lets oxygen in and CO2 out...

I'll still be curious to see what the company says. Thanks for looking into that further - :high-five:
 
Hey Quix ! :)
I think that should work for the co2.

What you are afflicted with is Up Grade Disease. Very common here on 420. You have a piece of candy now, but your sweet tooth wants more !! :high-five:

You said it my friend!!

I've been considering doing the old school baking soda and vinegar, in 2 L bottles with a hole poked in the cap. But I think for it to be effective, one would need more than I feel like maintaining. Probably have to do it 3-5 times a day, and the cost would out-weigh the bennefits eventually. Maybe I'll look into this thing you guys are talking about,....:high-five:
 
You said it my friend!!

I've been considering doing the old school baking soda and vinegar, in 2 L bottles with a hole poked in the cap. But I think for it to be effective, one would need more than I feel like maintaining. Probably have to do it 3-5 times a day, and the cost would out-weigh the bennefits eventually. Maybe I'll look into this thing you guys are talking about,....:high-five:

Hi Quix. ;)

I think CO2 made that way lasts about 3 days, if I remember right. You have to shake it up every few days. In your space it may work. Wont cost much to try it anyway. What we do for our girls. :high-five:
 
Yes, it's definitely supposed to help them tolerate heat better. Great point, Quix. Can't wait to see you try it, OMM. I'm close to pulling the trigger, too...

Hi xlr8 :)

Well, I went to Exhale's site and tried to order some Exhale. They wanted $127.45 just for shipping to Hawaii. Cancel!

I found it on the that big auction site we can't mention and got it for $39.99 including shipping.
Since you are on the mainland you can get it for $23.00 plus shipping.

The cost of living in Paradise! :yikes::yikes::yikes:
 
Oh the trials and tribulations we endure for our ladies! LOL. I have a schematic and I believe some photos of our earliest CO2 setup using vinegar and baking soda. I have an IV flow clamp(from the hospital) to help control the vinegar drip. We were able to get upwards of 45 minutes of drip time with our setup. Here is the schematic:

CO2.jpg


The last bottle is filled with water and the resulting bubbles created are just to show that the system is producing CO2. It worked just fine. The schematic also shows the control valve inside the bottle, whereas our new version has the control valve outside the bottle on the tube supplying the vinegar. I don't have any photos of the setup to post. But the system does work.
 
Here's some more good info on the use of CO2:

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is a colorless, odorless gas that is found in small quantities in the air, and is essential for plant life, without it plants could not survive.

Carbon dioxide is absorbed by the plants and during photosynthesis the CO2 is is split into it's basic elements, carbon and oxygen. Small amounts of oxygen are used by the plant but most of the oxygen are released back into the atmosphere.The carbon is combined with water (H2O) in the presence of light to form a sugar molecule. The plants then convert the sugar into carbohydrates. When the plant absorbs nutrients (primarily nitrogen from the roots) they are combined with the carbohydrates to form new plant tissue. This process is called photosynthesis. The entire process is only as good as its weakest link. If any of the required ingredients (light, CO2, water and nutrients) are at a level below that which the plant can use for maximum efficiency, the plant will not perform at it's full potential.In other words, if you inject CO2 into a system that is not receiving enough light or nutrients the results will be disappointing.

We here at Hydro-U recommend that CO2 injection should only be done by experienced gardeners with a good working knowledge of their gardening system.

Once a gardener is comfortable with the workings of their system and plant growth, CO2 can be a great benefit, however there are a lot of variables involved with using CO2 and beginners can really have their hands full, increasing the likelihood of a disaster (like total death of the entire crop).

There are several conditions that must be met for the plants to be able to use the increased CO2 levels properly. The most important is lighting. Light levels must be very high (more than 20 watts per square foot) or there will be little or no increase in plant growth rates. The plants will like slightly higher temperatures than normal (approx. 3 - 5 degrees higher). The plants will also metabolize water and nutrients faster, so reservoirs may need a little more attention.

Plants can absorb and process very large amounts of CO2. There is usually about 300 to 600 p.p.m. (parts per million) of CO2 in the atmosphere. Most plants can use 1500 p.p.m. in optimum growing conditions. When using elevated levels of CO2 the growth rate can be increased by as much as 100% to 200%. Most studies report increases in the 40% to 50% range.

The ideal situation would be to keep the CO2 levels at optimum at all times. This would require constant injection of low levels of gas (constantly replacing what the plants are using). This is not practical in most situations as venting of the growing environment is often needed to control heat build up. In these cases CO2 injection should be done immediately following venting.

The biggest problem that people encounter when using CO2 is that they get carried away, they think that a little is good so a lot is better....NOT! When CO2 levels approach 2000 p.p.m. most plants will die. High levels of CO2 are also toxic to humans, primarily due to oxygen deficiency. Before injecting CO2 the room should be vented to remove excess CO2 that might be left over from the previous injection, this prevents the build up of CO2 that could harm the plants.

There are several ways to get extra CO2, the two most common are using bottled CO2 and using CO2 generators. These are the automated ways to add CO2 to the growing environment. Getting precise control of the CO2 levels in your growing environment can be rather expensive, CO2 monitors are the best method, these monitors keep a constant reading of the C levels and automatically adds gas when needed. These monitors are fairly expensive so most people opt for a more inexpensive method (like timers).

There are also several "low-tech" ways to increase CO2 levels. Additional information about using all these methods follows:

Using Bottled CO2

There are several ways to introduce CO2 into the growing environment. Probably the most popular method is to used bottled gas. This type of CO2 injection consists of a CO2 tank, a pressure gauge (monitors how much gas is remaining in the tank), a flow meter (to monitor the amount of gas being released), a solenoid valve (turns the flow of gas on and off as needed) and a method of controlling the solenoid valve (a timer or other controller).


Using CO2 Generators

Until recently CO2 generators were used primarily by commercial growers, but with the advent of smaller, less expensive units, many hobby growers now use generators. CO2 generators burn either propane or natural gas. They have a pilot light that ignites the gas when a timer has opened a solenoid valve to release the gas into the system (similar to a gas bar-b-que grill). The generators come in many different sizes.

Producing CO2 with a generator is more cost effective than using bottled CO2. The generators can produce aprox. 26.1 cu. ft. of CO2 per pound of fuel burned.

The generators work very well and are cheaper to operate than the bottled system, however, they burn the fuel so they give off a lot of heat as well as CO2. This may or may not be a problem for you. If you live in a colder climate and you need to add heat to your growing environment than a generator might be just what you need. If you live in a warmer climate you may already be battling the heat and adding more might send you over the top. With devastating effects on your crop.

Another word of caution about CO2 generators: If they are not working properly they can give off Carbon Monoxide (CO) instead of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). Carbon Monoxide is very dangerous! It is deadly even in small doses (CO2 is deadly too, but only in higher concentrations). You should only use top quality generators that have been built specifically for gardening and have been checked out by the manufacturer. When using generators make sure that the flame is burning blue, this means that there is complete combustion and the generator is putting out CO2 and not CO. If the flame is burning yellow or orange there is a problem with the unit. Turn it off immediately and do not use the generator until a qualified service person has fixed it! Yellow or orange flames mean that the combustion is not complete and the main by product will be Carbon Monoxide instead of Carbon Dioxide.

OTHER METHODS OF ADDING CO2

There are several ways to add CO2 to your garden that do not require a lot of expensive equipment. These are not automated so require more "hands-on" attention.

Controlling the amount of CO2 is difficult at best with these methods, however there is little chance of accidentally adding too much CO2.


Decomposing organic matter gives off CO2 as a normal bi-product of decomposition.

Use materials like leaves, sawdust, manure, hay, etc.This method of generating CO2 is certainly inexpensive, with most materials being free, but it can be kind of gross. Besides being messy there is a possibility of disease and fungus forming in the decomposing material.

The fermentation process also gives off CO2 as part of the natural process (that's what puts the fizz in beer). Mixing water, sugar and yeast together will cause fermentation to begin and for CO2 to be generated.

Dry ice is solid CO2 that is made by compressing the gas until it "freezes" into a solid mass. CO2 is a rather unique substance in that it goes directly from a solid to a gas, which means that you can simply set a block of dry ice in your growing environment and it will slowly "boil" off CO2 gas. Dry ice is probably one of the most expensive ways to produce CO2 in your garden.

One pound of dry ice is equal to one pound of liquid CO2 (bottled). One Pound of either is equal to 8.7 cu. ft. of gas.

If you drip vinegar onto backing soda you will produce CO2 as well.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

If you would like to know more about using C in your garden there is an excellent book about it called "Gardening Indoors With CO2" by George Van Patten.
There is a lot of good information about CO2 equipment as well as other environmental controllers available at the following link. which is the website for GreenAir Products, which manufactures what most people consider the finest environmental controllers available for hobby gardeners.
 
Thanks social smoker ! ;)

They really are green my friend...pretty amazing. In about two weeks, I'll give them a good trim around the bottoms so they can breath a bit. I'm starting to be really impressed doing this indoor grow. I sure am much more close to the girls now and I thought I was looking close outside. Not! :cheertwo:

omm...glad to hear your liking the indoors....:bong:
 
i use a Co2 generator that i made similar to GM's designs but i use yeast and sugar. puts out good co2 for a good week + ill get pics of it the next time i make the mix again
works well for a small space and theres a less of a chance that it will explode like bakeing soda and viniger lol it can be risky if that one messes up

my inlet tube sits right in front of the fan so it disperses in the the air there will always be a little that will escape when opening and closeing door.. some out the exaust but it is still heavyer and sits for a good portion.... at my work we have propaine Co2 generators... they only turn on when the doors are opened and mabey every hour or 2 for a few min. (room set at 1250 ppm.. and with me in the room for 45 min it will jump to around 1400-1500ppm, room sits at 82* day and 78 night and 30 1000W HPS 10 1000 W MH) well thats the big flower room anyways....35x 40 room
Co2 is a must! you will Literaly Double your weight!
 
omm...glad to hear your liking the indoors....:bong:

Hi SS. :)

The only part I don't like about it is watering and getting rid of the overflow.
Looking for some method to make it easier. It will come to me....just have to think it over. :high-five:
 
Oh the trials and tribulations we endure for our ladies! LOL. I have a schematic and I believe some photos of our earliest CO2 setup using vinegar and baking soda. I have an IV flow clamp(from the hospital) to help control the vinegar drip. We were able to get upwards of 45 minutes of drip time with our setup. Here is the schematic:

CO2.jpg


The last bottle is filled with water and the resulting bubbles created are just to show that the system is producing CO2. It worked just fine. The schematic also shows the control valve inside the bottle, whereas our new version has the control valve outside the bottle on the tube supplying the vinegar. I don't have any photos of the setup to post. But the system does work.

Thanks GMT ! :)
Great picture of how it works and how easy it is to put together. You just helped many folks. Thanks! :bravo:
 
i use a Co2 generator that i made similar to GM's designs but i use yeast and sugar. puts out good co2 for a good week + ill get pics of it the next time i make the mix again
works well for a small space and theres a less of a chance that it will explode like bakeing soda and viniger lol it can be risky if that one messes up

my inlet tube sits right in front of the fan so it disperses in the the air there will always be a little that will escape when opening and closeing door.. some out the exaust but it is still heavyer and sits for a good portion.... at my work we have propaine Co2 generators... they only turn on when the doors are opened and mabey every hour or 2 for a few min. (room set at 1250 ppm.. and with me in the room for 45 min it will jump to around 1400-1500ppm, room sits at 82* day and 78 night and 30 1000W HPS 10 1000 W MH) well thats the big flower room anyways....35x 40 room
Co2 is a must! you will Literaly Double your weight!

Hi shaggie. :)
Yeast and sugar Huh? Sounds good my friend and safer.
We we'll see what the Exhale can do soon. If it doesn't work very well, I will do what you are doing. Thank You.! :cheertwo:

I really like "the double the weight idea" just fine! :high-five:
 
like everything...I strive for a natural solution.
I owned an exotic animal business for many years....We won't get specific, but, back when I had a room going, it was in the same space as a few hundred animals.
CO2 the old fashioned way ****:)
 
like everything...I strive for a natural solution.
I owned an exotic animal business for many years....We won't get specific, but, back when I had a room going, it was in the same space as a few hundred animals.
CO2 the old fashioned way ****:)

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