Oh No - It's A Green Hole! - Reverse Thrusters! - Dammit - Too Late!

Weaselcracker said:
I did track down and read about that hop graft stuff once upon a time It sounded like it was done, but it was difficult and in the end fairly pointless other than as a novelty.
I mean more that I'd like the strains to have similar growth rates and feeding habits, so I could grow a plant that actually looked like a nice plant, not just a monstrosity ;). Right now I don't seem to have any compatible strains. Closest would be the BB and PC, but the PC is just so damn weird and droopy.
Maybe I'll try and graft one BB limb onto the Mama Thai. It might go a little hungry on the MT's light feeding schedule though.
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The point in grafting is to graft a desirable fruit onto a hardy stock. So In your case you could try to graft the floppy PC onto hardier stock, and hope the graft transfers some of its hardiness to the PC branches. This seems like a lot of trouble, however, to support your PCs.

If the PC makes such heavy buds it pulls the branches down, the simplest solution would be the tomato cage. They are cheap, you can cut them down with wire snips, and they are light-weight. Gardener friends of yours might even part with a couple from previous year's tomato or cucumber crops. They last many years. You can either surround the whole plant inside the cage, or tie the branches to the outside of the cage to keep the center open. As big as cannibus can get indoors,, the latter seems more practical.
 
Thanks AK. The PC actually makes quite small buds. They are dense and heavy for their size though. It's more to do with the structure of the plant (I think?) which is thin-stemmed, very strong and wiry but also very bendy. The PC stalks are nearly impossible to break if I try to snap one by bending and twisting. I think that with a tomato cage the buds would still be dangling. But I suppose if it was the right size of cage so I'd have room to tie all the buds in a vertical position- that could work. I'll continue giving the plants increased silica over the next couple months and see what happens.
I know nothing about grafting, just seen it done here and there with fruit trees, but don't know how it affects the grafted plant. Like if the separate grafts retain their traits 100%, or if there's some morphing and melding going on. Really strange when I think about it. Will google...
 
Weaselcracker said:
Thanks AK. The PC actually makes quite small buds. They are dense and heavy for their size though. It's more to do with the structure of the plant (I think?) which is thin-stemmed, very strong and wiry but also very bendy. The PC stalks are nearly impossible to break if I try to snap one by bending and twisting. I think that with a tomato cage the buds would still be dangling. But I suppose if it was the right size of cage so I'd have room to tie all the buds in a vertical position- that could work. I'll continue giving the plants increased silica over the next couple months and see what happens.
I know nothing about grafting, just seen it done here and there with fruit trees, but don't know how it affects the grafted plant. Like if the separate grafts retain their traits 100%, or if there's some morphing and melding going on. Really strange when I think about it. Will google...
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You can get pretty big cages. I've seen them 48". Plus, with a bit of bailing wire, you can stack them, if you're growing anything taller. You'll figure it out. It's what I would do if I were lucky enough to have your "problem". :green_heart:
 
So far in my readings, i keep finding that grafting has no benefit on traits. Only benefit is the ability to keep a 4strain mother alive which might save you space.

I dont believe everything i read however. I find it incredibly hard to believe that 2 plants, sharing the same vein into the ground, sharing the same feeding tube, arent sharing bodily fluids containing DNA.
 
I'm going to try it when I next get reunited with my plants. I'll try to graft a Blueberry branch or two on to the Mama Thai. The challenge will be to not be able to move the pots around for the time they're grafting.
 
I'd heard about this grafting and hadn't seen the point in it until I read these posts. Damn I'd love to know if it's possible to keep a 2 or more strained mother plant alive. Looking forward to seeing this Weaselcracker, good luck mate it will be interesting to see how it goes :thumb:
 
Sounds like an awesome thing to do. Except I wouldn't do it for my regular harvests. I'd probably try to do it to a few reVeg'ing plants. That should be interesting and definitely a space saver. As I Veg my new plants I'll have the harvested ones reVeg'ing and grafted to each other.
 
Mello136 said:
Sounds like an awesome thing to do. Except I wouldn't do it for my regular harvests. I'd probably try to do it to a few reVeg'ing plants. That should be interesting and definitely a space saver. As I Veg my new plants I'll have the harvested ones reVeg'ing and grafted to each other.
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Speaking of revegging... I have had no luck whatsoever trying to reveg a harvested plant. Maybe I'm cutting too much off. Usually there are no leaves left by the time I harvest, but I leave a bunch of nodes. But the thing keeps dessicating, even with misting. I think the roots die off, as they pull up very easily when they give up the ghost. I even tried letting it dry out a bit, and just leaving it in with the other vegging ladies to do as it will.

Should I transplant a harvested plant into new soil and maybe a smaller pot? Should I re-innoculate the roots with rootone and mycco?
 
Hi AK. In no expert. So far every attempt has worked for me though. I leave the lower third of the plant after snatching any likely looking buds. Usually there are several dozen popcorn buds and not much left on the plant for leaves at that point. I try to have the plant fairly dry at harvest- otherwise your reveg attempt is going to be sitting in a wet pot for ages, as with no foliage it's not going to be using up much water. I've done 4 reveggings now. The last two I cut the rootball down to about a 6" ball or cube and put it in fresh sunshine mix, partly because the old stuff was wet- but also because I figured the mix was compacted, rootbound, and totally deprived of nutrient after all the flushing. Then I just left them in the veg room under the same MH light as the rest of the plants. It takes a week or two for anything much to start to happen.
I don't think the bennies would hurt at all, though I'm always in the dark about what's happening with them. I wonder if they survive the flushing process? Probably, if they made it that far through flowering, which is debatable.
Other than that, which isn't all that much help, I don't know!
 
Ah, that's the trick, making sure the soil is pretty dried out at harvest!

I will also prune the rootball and replant in fresh soil. I'll try anything at this point to save this strain, as I'm not sure the clones I took on Monday are going to survive. I won't be harvesting until around Xmas to give one lady all the time she needs. Meanwhile, I've pulled my last lady in waiting out of 12/12 and back to veg, to use as a motherplant. She's only been under 12/12 for a week. This is not my usual strategy, but Its worth a try.
 
:ciao:Weasel
 
None of the revegged ones I did were all that critical to me- I just threw them back in the veg room to see what would happen. You could leave some extra foliage on which may help. Probably the more the better I imagine, though with mine I managed to take 90% of the buds as the lower stuff didn't amount to much. Good luck!
 
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Weaselcracker said:
You could leave some extra foliage on which may help. Probably the more the better I imagine
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Indeed Weasel, the more popcorn buds left the easier it re-veggies.
 
The majority of the new weird looking re-veg foliage comes directly from the popcorn buds.
 
Hey B.A.R. Nice to see you! Thanks for filling in here while I was away :) Funny- I was out on the water zipping around today tending a bunch of crab traps (while you were here talking about revegging) and was thinking about you cause I haven't seen you around much lately, and about New York, where I've never been. There was a jazz musician from NY wandering around these parts once upon a time. He taught me a bunch of jazz guitar stuff ( which I mostly forget of course ).
We eat a lot of seafood and wild stuff here and he would be constantly exclaim - "That (whatever) you're eating would be worth (some crazy price tag) in New York!!!!!"
It was sort of entertaining but kind of wore thin after a while too! After a while it got hard to look at anything without it being 'worth $ in New York'. Anyway, that popped into my head when I was getting the crabs, but mostly I was daydreaming about NY and how it would be cool to go there sometime, and how we all must live in such different worlds, but are still able to relate and chat on 420 thanks to the wonders of tech. Very cool. Then I got that damn song in my head for hours!
"New York, Neeeeeeeeeeew Yooooooooooooooooorkkk!!!!!"

I have been too busy the last while, but aim to resume catching up on your journal where I left off, which was about 75 pages from the present day. Anxious to find out the results of the - 'will cuttings root in the flowering room' experiment. Don't tell me, I'm almost there:) :thumb:
 
Hey weasey, ever been to the very top o haida gwaii??? Maybe you are there now?????? Best crabbing ever and the best crabbing experience for me and me missus ever,, walls of crab,, all to be eaten,,:cheertwo:

Best of luck with the traps, and enjoy, please,, cheers pal
 
Thanks Nivek, and I certainly have, Nivek, and eaten many a crab there. :thumb:
I was thinking today as I plotted where to next set my traps, and whether to seek new areas or be satisfied with what I'm getting, that
~deep thought~
'A crab in the hand is worth two in the bush'.
Then I thought- "A crab in the hand is worth waaaay more than two crabs in the bush".
In fact, I don't even want crabs in the bush, at all!!
 
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