Oh No - It's A Green Hole! - Reverse Thrusters! - Dammit - Too Late!

[Mello136]

I think scrogged plants look fantastic and certainly POTM worthy. I do agree that it might need to have some kind of wow factor like colors, or lack of colors, etc.

 

[glimmergrass]

I think you're at a crossroads -- you sound (understandably) a bit frustrated by the gap between growing what you want to grow, what fascinates you and just growing to keep your patients happy.

You sound a bit restless That's a good thing -- it can lead you to doing more of what you really like and get a charge out of. After all, you can do any damned thing that takes your fancy, right?

So do a "learning to grow sativas" thread. That would be fascinating. I think a lot of people are really interested in landrace sativas especially (I know I am). Grow some non scrogged plants if that takes your fancy. Wherever your passion takes you, I promise that we'll be there, watching and cheering you on

 

[AKgramma]

Speaking of supports like scrogs: As I let my plants get larger in veg, I've found that a sturdy dowel planted next to the main stem just before the switch is handy later to tie heavy colas to. This works, even if I have topped three or 4 times, because once they go to flower, they are all pointing up anyway. Kinda looks like the spokes of a wheel from the top.

I've tried scrogs and tomato cages, but found them awkward to work with, as I like to rotate the ladies, while I prune them. The grow "tents" are in tight areas with only front access. So, for now, both the dowel and tying down vigorous branches help control the canopy. This gives me a lot of flexibility to re-position the branches when needed.

 

[Weaselcracker]

Thanks guys for the support! My main limitations always are time at the grow. I don't have time to baby plants and train and groom them to look all fancy. I also can't be around to really deal with growth spurts and have to tie things down after the fact. I go away for a week and then return to see that it turned back to jungle. So in that respect I'm pretty limited and anything that can help keep the plants under control is a good thing. I see that Stage's plant had a tomato cage on it. I was thinking to do some sort of diy version of that. I used to jam sticks into the pots for support, but unless the buds themselves want to stay vertical, it can be a bit of a mess. At least with the screen they can completely give up and lay down flat if they want. I've yet to find a way to keep the Pineapple Chunk from flopping over completely, though I'm upping the silica now. I'm always restless Glimmer! I just move at a slugs pace because otherwise changes cause too much complexity and chaos theory rules

 

[Mello136]

Silica would definitely help, although I don't think it will solve the issue fully.

 

[Stage]

~MAMA THAI~

I have some thoughts of not scrogging this one. The Mama Thai is quite wiry and maybe with the help of silicon I could grow one without the screen. I'm looking to Stage's incredible dog-fence Bubblegum POTM entry plant as an example. If things go according to plan, I'll grow it big enough to take up the space of two screens- so, a 2' x 3.5' rectangular area, and just leave a screen on it long enough to settle it into a candelabra shape, then remove the screen and hope for the best. I'm really longing to see an unscrogged plant in my life at this point.

Wheeze,
Your MT has the right structure to pull this off.
With you feeding her silica, you can get rough so you can shape her the way you wish.
When i topped my plant I did it on her outer 4 corners. I used a tomato cage and bamboo sticks arranged in a square in the soil/coco for support. I then super cropped the corners at the tomato cage ring then placed the fence on top.
This left the middle of the plant wide open allowing the middle shoots to catch up to the sides and fill in the middle. I waited a week then re-arranged the tops and placed the cage back on top.
I repeated this a total of 3x within a 21-28 day period.
Note that this occurred 7 days before flower and continued into week 3 of 12/12.
I was able to control the stretching this way. If i hadn't done this, I would have no (meaningful) buds in the middle of the canopy.
The size of the plant and the area you want to cover are definitely within your reach. I say go for it dude. I bet my nug cubbard you will be happy with this technique. I will be watching. Ask me anything you like as you move forward.
I would love to see others do what you are planning on doing. More ping pong table shaped plants FTW!

 

[nivek]

I hear ya weasey,, big time,, i would personally very much enjoy seeing just one plant I grow, not have to endure my relentless torture, abuse, coersion and total manipulation,, all the things I so despise being done to me, cept the torture part,, the missus makes that fun,, ha

My tiny one gallon pots leave a lot to be desired, but have numerous benefits as well,, so, I,, like y'all, will steer the course for now,, i have oh so much room for improvement without needing bigger pots,, guess I have bigger pot envy,, oh...

Cheers pal

 

[Mello136]

I personally like to train my plants with LST in my 50 Shades of Green Room.

 

[nivek]

Ditto

 

[Stage]

I personally like to train my plants with LST in my 50 Shades of Green Room.

Mello.....Lmaooo! !

 

[Tead]

I've found that a sturdy dowel planted next to the main stem just before the switch is handy later to tie heavy colas to.

<zoink!> Idea stolen. Thanks Granny!

 

[Weaselcracker]

not have to endure my relentless torture, abuse, coersion and total manipulation,, all the things I so despise being done to me, cept the torture part,, the missus makes that fun,, ha

I personally like to train my plants with LST in my 50 Shades of Green Room.

Ha ha! you guys are pretty funny. Nivek I suppose the grass is always greener somewhere, or longer, or shorter. A lifetime of fleeing from torture is what got me where I am today, wherever that is.
And Mello that kind of puts my journal title in a different light, but I won't go there.

Stage thanks so much for the tips! Much appreciated. I used to use old arrow shafts to support my plants, till I recycled them into making the scrog setups out of- later to be replaced by storebought aluminum versions. But my droopy plants usually didn't look like 'the spokes of a wheel from the top', more like dead octopi on sticks, after being tortured to death.

 

[Stage]

Ha ha! you guys are pretty funny. Nivek I suppose the grass is always greener somewhere, or longer, or shorter. A lifetime of fleeing from torture is what got me where I am today, wherever that is.
And Mello that kind of puts my journal title in a different light, but I won't go there.

Stage thanks so much for the tips! Much appreciated. I used to use old arrow shafts to support my plants, till I recycled them into making the scrog setups out of- later to be replaced by storebought aluminum versions. But my droopy plants usually didn't look like 'the spokes of a wheel from the top', more like dead octopi on sticks, after being tortured to death.

Weaselcracker,
Your'e welcome for the tips man!
Bwahahahah!!! The Green hole....in 50 shades of green! I'm rolling over here!!

 

[nivek]

Even weaseys plants get a bit more room to spread their wings than I allow my poor misfortunates,,, i really am just the cruelest overseer ever

Reaching is not permitted at this table,,

 

[Weaselcracker]

The more I read about this Malawi the more interested I am. I don't know if it is my kind of smoke. The high sounds good- clear and productive to a point (the point where you are too stoned to function that is), but over and over I read about how strong it is- more akin to something like strong LSD. Like you may not want to smoke it if you have any plans for the day that can't afford to be completely scrambled. I just read an awesome journal, from another site so I won't try to link to it, and among the many many many descriptions of its devastating effects were things like this -
"One toke and wow! two tokes and shit- what's happening? , 3 tokes and -I shouldn't of had that second toke god help me now!"

I have a feeling that all three of my plants are going to be female. Hopefully I'm wrong but if not things will be interesting.

The other thing that makes this interesting is that I'm trying to squeeze these plants into little tiny screens and 7 gallon pots when they look like they're obviously meant to be over 8 feet tall. I'm assuming my relentless supercropping and bending will save the day.
I wonder if the patients will say that it's 'too strong'. Hahahhahaha!!!! (Demonic laughter)

 

[Weaselcracker]

I have another great idea I want to try. Not really my idea- it came from reading DankWolf's journal. But I'm thinking I should try grafting a multi strained plant together, into one plant. I don't think I have three strains that would be suitable. I'd love to do a 3 sativa graft, but the Malawi and the Thai stick look like they want to grow into willowy monsters, while the Mama Thai is much tamer. I'd be savagely hacking and mangling the Malawi and Thai stick just to keep the MT in the light.
PC is too floppy.
Hmmmm... Blueberry and Mama Thai could work, sort of.
Well, I'll see what happens with the Malawi and Thai Stick. Maybe there's hope for the 3 sativa plant. In the journals I read though, the Malawi was still stretching at 7 weeks into flowering. Sounds tricky.

 

[DankWolf907]

Yay! More awesomeness! Cannafan also said shes going to be picking 2 seeds of her next grow to attempt grafting.
I should imagine ill be making an attempt around the same time. Idunno? Lots of researching yet to do. Considered using bagseed 3 in flower now, after a successfully reveg, but thats 4+months out. Have to figure something else out..

 

[Weaselcracker]

Cool. I'm thinking I'll try grafting two limbs together in my veg room next week as practice. It'll make them a real pain to deal with as I won't be able to shuffle pots around, but seems like too cool an idea to pass up on. Imagine the cannabis hydra monster I could make. I just need three compatible strains. Which I don't have, unless I start digging through my seed collection and find some good new ones from there.

 

[DankWolf907]

I honestly believe that their all compatible, to atleast some degree. Read a little bit, people have grafted hops+weed, and an OJ tree with weed? Not sure about that one. Ive always wanted an indoor lemon tree, would be fun having a lemonweed tree. My mind just wanders..

 

[Weaselcracker]

I did track down and read about that hop graft stuff once upon a time It sounded like it was done, but it was difficult and in the end fairly pointless other than as a novelty.
I mean more that I'd like the strains to have similar growth rates and feeding habits, so I could grow a plant that actually looked like a nice plant, not just a monstrosity . Right now I don't seem to have any compatible strains. Closest would be the BB and PC, but the PC is just so damn weird and droopy.
Maybe I'll try and graft one BB limb onto the Mama Thai. It might go a little hungry on the MT's light feeding schedule though.