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Its all trail and error with me , what works i stick to , what does not work i forget , thanks for the visit
the table is a rough guide from all things organic npk site
NuttyProfessor And His Herd Of Indigenous Microorganisms
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the table is a rough guide from all things organic npk site
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Think i found the ladies G spot 
temps 27c to 30c lights on, 22c lights off , 50/55 RH ,
root ball temp 18c/22c
feeding and watering temp 18/20
bottom watering 15 mins then 1 litre on top 7 gallon pot ,
10 mins bottom 5 gallon pot 1/2 litre top ,
i think ill get working on the plastic pots again as sometimes i feel the fabric pots end up like a bucket holding more water when the fabric gets blocked up by roots and fine soil , perlite etc ,
they seem to be praying better and they look a bit more active than last week
temps 27c to 30c lights on, 22c lights off , 50/55 RH ,
root ball temp 18c/22c
feeding and watering temp 18/20
bottom watering 15 mins then 1 litre on top 7 gallon pot ,
10 mins bottom 5 gallon pot 1/2 litre top ,
i think ill get working on the plastic pots again as sometimes i feel the fabric pots end up like a bucket holding more water when the fabric gets blocked up by roots and fine soil , perlite etc ,
they seem to be praying better and they look a bit more active than last week
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So putting this theory to the test
I put my fat petes cookies into a 10 litre bath of water 2 five litre jugs , set my timer for 15 minutes , after 15 minutes i lifted her up , i then measured what the medium drew up , it took up 6 litres , I also added one litre to the top , I had the pot on a stand so i could catch the run off to measure also , to my surprise the pot was very heavy yet no run off , I took before and ill take after pics of this plant , I wonder if this will keep more nutrients in my pot its got to be a good thing with living soil . ( i hope )
I put my fat petes cookies into a 10 litre bath of water 2 five litre jugs , set my timer for 15 minutes , after 15 minutes i lifted her up , i then measured what the medium drew up , it took up 6 litres , I also added one litre to the top , I had the pot on a stand so i could catch the run off to measure also , to my surprise the pot was very heavy yet no run off , I took before and ill take after pics of this plant , I wonder if this will keep more nutrients in my pot its got to be a good thing with living soil . ( i hope )
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some little purple shots , gonna miss her 
until she is grinned and lit 
ohh and that is paint on my hand 
until she is grinned and lit ohh and that is paint on my hand
@NuttyProfessor I know the ladies are beautiful and all, but you forgot to clean up your mess
Love the colors.some little purple shots , gonna miss her
Those big pots you dunk how long does it take dry after?
Bill
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I couldn't help it@NuttyProfessor I know the ladies are beautiful and all, but you forgot to clean up your mess
, it was that third pic that did it for me 
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I think the last time i did that one was about 4 days , the bigger one i am going to do tomorrow or tonight 3 days ,
i just done a little experiment mate that blew me away completely !
, ill fill you in when i update tomorrow .when i do a post on my theory and experiment 
The roots must have the pot packed,I think the last time i did that one was about 4 days , the bigger one i am going to do tomorrow or tonight 3 days ,
i just done a little experiment mate that blew me away completely !
if they can drain that much that quick.
Bill
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I think its more i am not soaking my pots , no big wet dry , i think im drawing up enough to keep the medium damp for 2/3 days then i go again , but i also add a liter over a day on top , i am trying to keep it wet but not water logged for days ,The roots must have the pot packed,
if they can drain that much that quick.
Bill
Ok the thing i did today , i had two plants in 1 litres pots , i let them dry out , i topped watered one slowly until there was good run off , the other i left in a tray of water , i added a tiny little bit of water to the top , after ten mins i lifted it out , now because these were smaller plants NOT MJ , i was able to slide them out of the pots , the one i bottom watered was perfect , not soaked but wet nothing dripping , the other i top watered i slide out of the pot and once i did the water started dripping like mad , it was like the pot becomes a vacuum holding on to more water than what is needed ,
The one i bottom watered had little to no perched water table , I think this might work for me ,
i am half way through the first two plants this is the scary part now Flowering lol , this will be the one that will maybe kick me in the nuts !
Its sounds perfect. Lifting them in and out would kill me.
Are you going to do all of them like that now.
Bill
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well i was thinking i got this far doing this why fix whats not broke , but at the same time i am shitting myself because these are some of the nicest ive done .I dont want to hit a brick wall BUT if i do not ill never know and keep my self awake more than i am lol @Bill284
flowering and harvest is the story teller
@Bill284flowering and harvest is the story teller
Happiest plant's I've seen.well i was thinking i got this far doing this why fix whats not broke , but at the same time i am shitting myself because these are some of the nicest ive done
flowering and harvest is the story teller
BILL
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that is why i am shitting my self lol , thanks
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Every plant is doing well , the microbe solution is packed , i will utilize some today
last pic is yesterdays bottom watered plant
another reason i think this not drying out completely is better , some peat base mixes are very hard to re-wet so you lose the Cation exchange capacity along with your microbes going to sleep, some microbes are 95% water so if your letting things go bone dry then the dry medium will kill them off ( how i see it ) no one has to agree lol
last pic is yesterdays bottom watered plant
another reason i think this not drying out completely is better , some peat base mixes are very hard to re-wet so you lose the Cation exchange capacity along with your microbes going to sleep, some microbes are 95% water so if your letting things go bone dry then the dry medium will kill them off ( how i see it ) no one has to agree lol
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Why is microbial activity less in dry soil?
Researchers investigate how microbes respire in dry conditions. Research has shown that microbial activity in soil reduces as soil moisture levels decrease
, a result of both physiological stress and physical factors.
Letting your soil dry out is like a human not drinking water for a week. Its not going to kill you but you will not function properly. Once peat based mixes dry out they become very water repellent, and as it may seem as if your watering alot, its just running right out the bottom....
Remember " what is visible represents what is invisible "
Researchers investigate how microbes respire in dry conditions. Research has shown that microbial activity in soil reduces as soil moisture levels decrease
, a result of both physiological stress and physical factors. Letting your soil dry out is like a human not drinking water for a week. Its not going to kill you but you will not function properly. Once peat based mixes dry out they become very water repellent, and as it may seem as if your watering alot, its just running right out the bottom....
Dry soil conditions impact on nutrient availability
These extended periods of very dry soil conditions can reduce Nitrogen (N), Phosphorus (P) and Potassium (K) availability to plants.Nitrogen
For N, low soil moisture decreases soil microbe activity. Microbes play an important role in breaking down organic matter and converting organic N to inorganic nitrate nitrogen, a process called mineralization. In dry soils with low N mineralization, there could be less plant available N in the form of either ammonium (NH4+-N) or nitrate (NO3--N) nitrogen. In dry soils, the risk of NO3--N loss through leaching or denitrification is reduced. While this means there is more soil N available to crops, plant uptake can be reduced. When the rains return there a can be a sudden increase in soil nitrogen. If this occurs late in the season it may be detrimental for perennial crops going into dormancy.Phosphorus
Reduced soil microbial activity in soils with low moisture can reduced organic matter decomposition and the mineralization of organic P to inorganic P. Phosphorus moves from higher concentrations in the soil to lower concentrations in plant roots by diffusion. As soils become drier, less diffusion occurs. This is because the water film around the soil particles becomes thinner, making diffusion to the plant root more difficult.Potassium
Decreased movement of K to the plant roots occurs in dry soil. As soil dry, clay minerals become dry and shrink, trapping K tightly between mineral layers. Once trapped, K is unavailable to plant roots for uptake. This K is released and plant available again when the soil moisture increases. Reduce K uptake during extended dry soil conditions can show up as low K levels in tissue samples or high K levels in a post-harvest soil sample.Remember " what is visible represents what is invisible "
Colby Rohrig
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Morning professor ! I know that drying out is part of the little critters life cycle you would thing that prolonged drought would cause them to go into a hibernating state it makes sense look up future cannabis project in living soil discusions with kevin jodry the guy whi runs wonderland nurseryWhy is microbial activity less in dry soil?
Researchers investigate how microbes respire in dry conditions. Research has shown that microbial activity in soil reduces as soil moisture levels decrease
Letting your soil dry out is like a human not drinking water for a week. Its not going to kill you but you will not function properly. Once peat based mixes dry out they become very water repellent, and as it may seem as if your watering alot, its just running right out the bottom....
Dry soil conditions impact on nutrient availability
These extended periods of very dry soil conditions can reduce Nitrogen (N), Phosphorus (P) and Potassium (K) availability to plants.
Nitrogen
For N, low soil moisture decreases soil microbe activity. Microbes play an important role in breaking down organic matter and converting organic N to inorganic nitrate nitrogen, a process called mineralization. In dry soils with low N mineralization, there could be less plant available N in the form of either ammonium (NH4+-N) or nitrate (NO3--N) nitrogen. In dry soils, the risk of NO3--N loss through leaching or denitrification is reduced. While this means there is more soil N available to crops, plant uptake can be reduced. When the rains return there a can be a sudden increase in soil nitrogen. If this occurs late in the season it may be detrimental for perennial crops going into dormancy.
Phosphorus
Reduced soil microbial activity in soils with low moisture can reduced organic matter decomposition and the mineralization of organic P to inorganic P. Phosphorus moves from higher concentrations in the soil to lower concentrations in plant roots by diffusion. As soils become drier, less diffusion occurs. This is because the water film around the soil particles becomes thinner, making diffusion to the plant root more difficult.
Potassium
Decreased movement of K to the plant roots occurs in dry soil. As soil dry, clay minerals become dry and shrink, trapping K tightly between mineral layers. Once trapped, K is unavailable to plant roots for uptake. This K is released and plant available again when the soil moisture increases. Reduce K uptake during extended dry soil conditions can show up as low K levels in tissue samples or high K levels in a post-harvest soil sample.
Remember " what is visible represents what is invisible "
Colby Rohrig
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think about it they obv are far more effective at moving about thier business in a low g high h20 environment.Why is microbial activity less in dry soil?
Researchers investigate how microbes respire in dry conditions. Research has shown that microbial activity in soil reduces as soil moisture levels decrease
Letting your soil dry out is like a human not drinking water for a week. Its not going to kill you but you will not function properly. Once peat based mixes dry out they become very water repellent, and as it may seem as if your watering alot, its just running right out the bottom....
Dry soil conditions impact on nutrient availability
These extended periods of very dry soil conditions can reduce Nitrogen (N), Phosphorus (P) and Potassium (K) availability to plants.
Nitrogen
For N, low soil moisture decreases soil microbe activity. Microbes play an important role in breaking down organic matter and converting organic N to inorganic nitrate nitrogen, a process called mineralization. In dry soils with low N mineralization, there could be less plant available N in the form of either ammonium (NH4+-N) or nitrate (NO3--N) nitrogen. In dry soils, the risk of NO3--N loss through leaching or denitrification is reduced. While this means there is more soil N available to crops, plant uptake can be reduced. When the rains return there a can be a sudden increase in soil nitrogen. If this occurs late in the season it may be detrimental for perennial crops going into dormancy.
Phosphorus
Reduced soil microbial activity in soils with low moisture can reduced organic matter decomposition and the mineralization of organic P to inorganic P. Phosphorus moves from higher concentrations in the soil to lower concentrations in plant roots by diffusion. As soils become drier, less diffusion occurs. This is because the water film around the soil particles becomes thinner, making diffusion to the plant root more difficult.
Potassium
Decreased movement of K to the plant roots occurs in dry soil. As soil dry, clay minerals become dry and shrink, trapping K tightly between mineral layers. Once trapped, K is unavailable to plant roots for uptake. This K is released and plant available again when the soil moisture increases. Reduce K uptake during extended dry soil conditions can show up as low K levels in tissue samples or high K levels in a post-harvest soil sample.
Remember " what is visible represents what is invisible "
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i shall check this out
