No Mercy Seeds 12/12 Hours 7 Harvests a Year System

SpeesCees said:
In fact...we all should love each other ...but the reality is different in this world.
Especially the Mr. Bush world !
When will this guy falling down with his crazy war on drugs ?
SpeesCees.
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Look, I know this is a very old post; and by no means am I stating my personal stance on the matter, but I feel like it's important to point out that the "War on Drugs" is not something created by Bush. Richard Nixon declared "war on drugs" and the policies that his administration implemented as part of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 were a continuation of drug prohibition policies from 1914.

Also, to be fair and current, Obama uses more aggressive tactics that previous administrations; it's not a battle of left vs right.

We do not spread love to each other, nor understanding, by throwing around regurgitated and unsubstantiated political rhetoric invented by campaigners. Learn fact from opinion and use you knowledge to influence people, not your personal bias.

Back to the original topic...
This seems interesting and once again this thread is rather old. Even if this method does produce higher yield and more harvests/year, is it as cost effective? If you only keep female plants, you spend a lot more on seeds doing this.
 
Feel free to have a look at our website to find out how much people in Holland in the mean time are working with the 12/12 system.
It did grow out to normal use in about 5-6 years. In fact you will find a lot of good info about the 12/12 system and top seeds for a lovely price on our website.
In fact... if you find good seed for a fair price,... it's easyer and cheaper as working with clones.

Stay cool, high and take time to Fly !
SpeesCees
 
I did step away from No Mercy Supply and I'm building a new website by myself by the name No Mercy Seeds.
What you already do find is a lot of information, specialy about the 12/12 system, and my seed bank.
Check it out... I'm willing to create a seed war as I did write before.
Seed is far too expencive... and I will fight against that.


Stay cool,
SpeesCees
 
You are absolutely right about seeds vs clones.

I agree that most seedbanks are overpriced,

when you consider how many seeds a plant can produce.

I have lots of seeds at the moment, but I will order from you in future :)

I like the look of Santa Maria :thumb:
 
Yea, thanks for the info SpeesCees. My main concern with this grow method is seed price. It is much more cost effective to use clones simply because of seed prices. Tomato seeds - 500 for $10.00.... Cilantro - 500 seeds for $5.00 .... Cannabis -10 seeds for $100.00 (not exact figures).

I will be checking out your site after I click Post. Glad I bumped your thread.
 
MaxVice said:
Cannabis -10 seeds for $100.00 (not exact figures).
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Well, it depends on the type of seeds you get, feminized seeds will double the cost as well as certain hybrids which can be quite expensive. But it doesn't have to cost that much. I bought the cheapest seeds available that fit my grow requirements and paid ~$175, including shipping/tracking, for 60 seeds, which included 20 free seeds. I have enough for several grows bringing my cost to around $15-30/(6 plant grow) depending on germination rates.
 
MaxVice said:
Look, I know this is a very old post; and by no means am I stating my personal stance on the matter, but I feel like it's important to point out that the "War on Drugs" is not something created by Bush. Richard Nixon declared "war on drugs" and the policies that his administration implemented as part of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 were a continuation of drug prohibition policies from 1914.

WHEN ALCOHOL PROHIBITION WAS OVER THE SPECIAL INTERESTS HAD TO CONTROL SOMETHING.

Also, to be fair and current, Obama uses more aggressive tactics that previous administrations; it's not a battle of left vs right.

We do not spread love to each other, nor understanding, by throwing around regurgitated and unsubstantiated political rhetoric invented by campaigners. Learn fact from opinion and use you knowledge to influence people, not your personal bias.

Back to the original topic...
This seems interesting and once again this thread is rather old. Even if this method does produce higher yield and more harvests/year, is it as cost effective? If you only keep female plants, you spend a lot more on seeds doing this.
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MOST GROWS GET 3 TO 4 CROPS PER YEAR. HAVE TO TAKE TIME TO CLONE[SAME TIME FOR A SEED PLANT TO GROW TO THE SAME SIZE]

12/12 YOU CAN GET 4 TO 7 CROPS IN THE SAME SPACE ALL UNDER 1 LIGHTING SYSTEM. THAT ALONE SAVES YOU VEG SPACE SO THE ENTIRE AREA YOU GROW CAN BE A PERPETUAL CROP AFTER CROP .
1] INCREESE YIELD PER WATT.
2] INCREESE THE # OF HARVESTS PER YEAR.
3] GROW YOUR OWN SEED FOR THE NEXT GROW. IN THE SAME SPACE.
THERE IS ALOT OF INFO YOU NEED TO KNOW TO DO A 12/12 OPERATION CORRECTLY.
AND
IF IT IS A VERTICAL GROW, 2.5 TO 5 POUNDS OF BUD PER 1000WATT IS NORMAL FOR ALL THE VERTICAL GROWS I HELP MANAGE.
IF YA ADD AQUAPONICS INTO THE EQUATION YOU SAVE 90% ON ON NUTRIENTS ALONE [JUST FEED THE FISH]. [NEVER HAVE TO BUY THE SHIT/NUTES AGAIN] AND THE PLANTS GROW PERFECT WITH OUT SHOOTERS, SWEETENERS, BUD ENHANCERS, BUD FATENERS ETC. ITS ALL ABOUT LIGHT.FOOD,WATER AND ENVIRONMENT.


THE WAR ON CANNABIS STARTED WAY BEFORE NIXON.
HERST AND DUPONT AND NYLON. OUR GOVERNMENT WAS INFLUENCED AND FORCED BY CORP MONGOLS TO MAKE CANNABIS AND POT ILLEGAL. HENRY FORD BUILT A PROTOTYPE ALL HEMP CAR RUNNING ON HEMP FUEL WHEN THIS OCCURED. CORP INTERESTS CONTINUE TO TRY AND CONTROLL THE INDUSTRY. YET "WE THE PEOPLE" CAN TAKE BACK OUR GOVERNMENT, AND OUR FREEDOMS[ALL FREEDOMS]
THIS WAR IS ALL ABOUT "FREEDOM" IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT POT IS LEADING THE WAY IN THIS REVOLUTION .
-In 1941, Popular Mechanics ran a story featuring a photograph of Henry Ford standing next to the car he "grew from the soil". The hemp-ethanol fueled and hemp-resin bodied vehicle was a dream of his but many bills proposing a national agricultural based fuel energy program were killed by smear campaigns launched by vested petroleum interests. One claim put forth was that the U.S. government's plans "robbed taxpayers to make farmers rich".
AND
-Hemp's overall protein content of 35% is comparable to soybeans and is higher than that found in nuts, other seeds, meats, dairy products and fish or poultry. Hemp protein contains all of the essential amino acids in more nutritionally significant amounts and at a ratio closer to "complete" sources of protein (like meat, milk and eggs) than all other seeds except soy.
-65% of the proteins in hemp are "edestin," which are easily digestible and act as pre-cursors to such vital body components as hormones, hemoglobin, enzymes and antibodies.
-Hemp's edestin structure is the highest in the plant kingdom, making it more digestible than soy and many other plant foods.
-Hemp also contains a healthy 35% of dietary fiber, the highest of all commercial flour grains, and it is high in the natural antioxidants Vitamin E, Vitamin C and chlorophyll.
-The hardiness and nutritional benefits of hemp could help address many of the world's starvation problems.
ALSO
Hemp removes 10 times the amount of CO2 from the atmosphere per acre as an acre of trees, makes four times the amount of paper per acre as an acre of trees and grows in almost any climate without the need for pesticides or fertilizers. Considering that 25% of all of the world's pesticides are used on American cotton, hemp is an environmentally friendly and sustainable competitor in the fiber market.
Growing hemp for fiber, paper and plastic would remove CO2 from and keep it out of the atmosphere by converting it into durable goods. For example, Popular Science in 1941 showcased a car designed by Henry Ford that he "grew from the soil" made of hemp plastic.
Hemp as a carbon-neutral energy
Hemp could replace fossil fuels in the plastics and energy markets. Hemp seeds are 40 percent oil, which can easily converted into plastic or ethanol for energy. Oil, coal and natural gas are comprised of carbon, so burning them for energy releases carbon into the atmosphere. Hemp oil is rich in carbon, but that carbon was recently extracted from the atmosphere, so carbon released when burning hemp ethanol is carbon that was previously in the atmosphere until the hemp plant "breathed" it in.
THESE FACTS COME FROM THE DEPT OF ENERGY AND BACKED BY OTHER COUNTRY'S STUDY'S.

THERE ARE MORE FACTS THEN A PERSON CAN EVEN RESEARCH IN A YEAR DOING IT EVERYDAY ON HEMP ALONE.
ALSO POT IS THE ONLY DRUG THAT HAS TO GO THRU 5 STEPS FOR RESEARCH APPROVAL BY COLLAGES THRU THE D.E.A. LICENCING PROCEDURES AND THEN THEY CAN ONLY STUDY FOR THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF IT.[WHICH HAS SHOT THEM IN THE ASS EVERY STUDY].
 
My seed pops in 24 to 72hrs from a dry seed to the teardrop first leaf set 60% of them by day 7 90% are poped.
Nothing special like soaking or paper towels bla bla bla etc etc. That's all a waste of time.
Just stick them where they going to grow, 78 to 82 warm 60% humidity and whala. I do this in the same space as muturing plants under the same lights.
 
Thanks, alot of great info in your post!

gairbud said:
[THE WAR ON CANNABIS STARTED WAY BEFORE NIXON.]
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If you read my origional comment, you'll see that I said that.
From my post - "... and the policies that his administration implemented as part of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 were a continuation of drug prohibition policies from 1914."




gairbud said:
THERE ARE MORE FACTS THEN A PERSON CAN EVEN RESEARCH IN A YEAR DOING IT EVERYDAY ON HEMP ALONE.
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Agreed; however, just because there are too many facts for one person to know, within reason, does not mean that one should make ignorant statements one a subject on which they know nothing.

Lastly, when you quoted my original post, you added your own words into to it (presumably by mistake) and it looks as if I said something I didn't.

To sum things up, I don't disagree with any of your loud typing, and you didn't seem to disagree with mine either. Be careful when quoting people to not add your own words [inside the quotes].
Your explanation on the 12/12 system cleared things up for me quite a bit, thanks very much for sharing your knowledge with me :thumb:


CAPS LOCK OP :shhh:
 
@ gairbud-
If you have any photos you can share of a clean 12/12 setup (even better if its aquaponics) I'd really appreciate it. I'm just starting to get into aquaponics and I love it, but I'm a newbie. Any info or experience you can share would be greatly appreciated. Nothing like having fresh fish when you get hungry from watching your garden grow.
What type of lighting would you use for the 12/12, what spectrum.

Really looking forward to your response. This is such a great community and +rep for gairbud :)
 
MaxVice said:
Yea, thanks for the info SpeesCees. My main concern with this grow method is seed price. It is much more cost effective to use clones simply because of seed prices. Tomato seeds - 500 for $10.00.... Cilantro - 500 seeds for $5.00 .... Cannabis -10 seeds for $100.00 (not exact figures).

I will be checking out your site after I click Post. Glad I bumped your thread.
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We know... and we know it already for a long time.
Seeds are too expencive !
However, we did start to change that.

Strong point in this one is that we're shipping worldwide for the same prices. ( sssstttt....)

SpeesCees
 
Add earth worms
they shit high octane nutes which are friendly to the plant and the oxygenate the soil. Very old school trick for soil gardens.
And yes the 2 main problems is ph lock out of nutes and too much nutes. Easy to fix not enough nute issues very hard to the plant to undue over nute conditions.
Also one thing they dont tell ya about 12/12 systems is that the last 3 to 4 weeks of flowering the lights should be at 11 on and 13 off.
Or better yet use a environmental programmable controll and set it to bring the day cycle down from the plants peek/fill out to 11/13 in the last 2 weeks.
Also mozart and natural sounds plants love. Rock rnb rap ect they hate it.
 
When the male plant starts to open flowers the female has very little flowers so you can allow them to polinate the early flowers. Then kill off male and mist garden down . Male pollen will die in 3 days when misting it down, it keeps it sticky . The idea that seeds take away from the plant are all bull shit. The female will continue to grow big and strong and all the new upper buds will be seedless.
Each part of a plant has its own genetic code to follow. That is why clone gardens have different height plants .when breeding the plants each consecutive grow you will end up with a pure strain at about f7 to f8.
You can pic the desired male and female plants that are seeded early and at the bottom to get a more even grow from 1 grow to the next and have way less pheno problems. All the while producing your own seed. The 7 to 14 days it takes for clones to establish is the same time seed grown plants take and seed plants[tap root] are much healthier , stronger , way more resistant to bugs and sickness and produce a much bigger cola and over all yield.
Each node area on the plant will max out itself, it is designed to do so. And dont cut leaf at all. Thoose are the main production factorys of that node. Train your plants and use tip and or pinching techniques to controll the plant. Depending on the strain i get 1.5 to 3 pounds per 3x3 tray per 1000watt light in horizontal grows. I use only basic nutes , great lighting and very clean zero memory water. I never use bud enhancements ever and i outgrow everyone here . I never get hermies cause it aint the lights that cause it it is the enviroment , water and nutes that cause that.[the grower]..
There is so much bullshit being sold to all of ya it is very hard for me to unbrain wash ya and reprogram ya to think like the plant. I have bet my entire grow again and again against many many growers useing thier own clones/stains and out preform them over and over in yield. Taste, stoniness and the duration of the high. I have never lost a bet. And i am a nice guy so i only take a pound of their inferior buds instead of the entire crop.
And all i do is basic grows.
When i do a vertical grow. No one beliefs the results of 15 to 20 pounds+ for 6 lights.
I came out from being under ground because of all the crap bud out there. After being prodded for years by my collective to blow what is called top shelf back to the low grade basement where it belongs and in some cases mid shelf. I make good $ managing over 50 grows in north america. I am not greedy and teach everything to my contracts.
In the big grows i get 1500$ a day all expenses paid and 10% of the yield and they are way more then happy to give that too me. Small and medium grows i get allot less and compassionate care patients i do for free. All they need to do is pay attention and follow directions. My newbie grows[people who never have grown a plant before. Blow away expert growers in their first crop. It takes 2 or more grows to undo the bullshit most experienced growers have learned.
 
Full spectrum. Always always always with uvb [lizard lights ] koy and gold fish produce the most they eat all the time the more ya feed them the more fertilizer they produce. Only add water and every time you have added to top off 80% of res you do a 30% water change out. Not the whole res. Example.
100 gallons. You top off each day or 2 unless on auto water system[need meter to count water usage] when 80% or 80 gallons have been added[used by the plants.
Take out and water the grass 30 gallons. And add 30 gallons of fresh water. If needing to controll ph then use peat moss bags. You can make your own. Ill try and get in contact with ya and fill ya in more.
 
Thank you. I'm very excited to learn more. I'm a newbie, I have never grown before.
I've recently been shown, by a very close friend, that I can stop taking the 10+ pills per day of synthetic pharmaceuticals that I'm on and narrow it down to just 1 medication that is natural: Cannabis. It's not that the pills don't do their job... but but I experience so many side effects. Its like this....
*Your hand got cut off- take this pill to make your hand grow back, but you'll lose your foot as a side effect.
*Here, this will make your nose stop bleeding, but your throat will bleed and could cause suffocation in your sleep.
*Here, this pill will dull the pain you're in, but may cause nausea vomiting sleep disruption, internal bleeding and heart disease which could lead to death. FFS

I'm joining this community to learn the necessary skills to improve my quality of life, and possibly even to save my own life. In turn, I hope to share what I learn with other around my community so that they may do the same for themselves.

Do some people abuse the cannabis plant? Yes. Do some people use it to get "high" the way people drink alcohol to get drunk? Yes. Does this mean that it is the only thing this plant is good for? NO. Do some people abuse french fries and Coke? Hell yes. Just because people kill themselves and others with french fries and coke, does that mean potatoes and sugar (or corn because of corn syrup) should be illegal? Yes. Wait... No.... err that's different! (or is it?)

/end rant.
I didn't mean for my post to turn into a rant but I caught it early and stopped, haha.

To sum things up, I know nothing, I cant wait to learn everything I can from you (and others here) and peace brothers and sisters.
 
About seed... and where do you turn to for good advice?


There are more advantages. The most striking are a higher yield as a result of the absence of lateral growth, and the fact that the main buds represent 98% of your yield. Because of this flowering pattern you can also keep much more plants on the same surface. But especially being able to reduce your cleaning job by 95% is quite a boon. A seedling germinated and grown under 12 light hours hardly produces buds that need manicuring. Some extremely heavy sativa's (such as Mexican Haze) which normally show a lot of lateral growth may produce some minor side branches in this system. Generally speaking one 600 watt HPS bulb could easily light at least 30 seed plants of an average variety that were germinated under 12 hours of light and were kept that way! In 9 out of 10 cases it won't be necessary to mount a net because seed plants are better anchored, produce few if any side branches, and grow thicker stems than plants grown from cuttings. A couple of fluorescent lights in a corner of your flowering room is sufficient to germinate your seed and allow you to have young plants at your disposal every time you harvest.

Your fluorescent lights are switched on at the same time as your HPS bulbs. The thing to note here is that more than 95% of the usable yield will be produced by the main bud which. Seed plants develop one main bud and therefore require a minimum of space. If you could get seeds at less than half the price you would have to spend on cuttings... than growing from seed is a lot easier and cheaper. If you do it right, you'll get at least 75-80% females from your seed. No searching for cuttings, no pests, no dragging along big soggy boxes, no hassle with growshops, no diseased cuttings, exactly the variety you're after, a truckload less cutting to do... should I go on? And hey... seed is legal and cuttings are not. If you like to know more about growing from seed and/or the 12/12 system, check our forum and you'll find all the information you need. You can have a look at everything without the obligation to log in under your name. It's a fact that we only sell regular seed and no feminised seed. We think only female seed is honest business. At the moment we can not offer female seed, but we're working on it.


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So what's the deal with feminised/female seed?
Male seed is genetically XY, female seed is genetically XX and feminised seed is XXY.
To some this may sound a little like jumping to conclusions, because structures develop which we humans still can not understand nor quantify. The fact remains that the difference between female seed and feminised seed is huge.

The Y factor remains hidden within feminised seed's genetics. Because of that Y factor you'll never be certain you will score 100% female plants and/or hermaphrodites always lurk. Just a little stress and you see herma's developing and your room contaminated with seed. As far as I'm concerned there's no doubt the vast majority of European seed banks are about to ruin the available good genetics. Every time a seed bank decides to keep/safeguard a specific variety by storing XXY (feminised) seed... the quality of genetics takes a little step back.








Experienced growers know seed plants usually are a lot stronger than plants grown from cuttings. A seedling has a pen root and a cutting has been tricked into growing emergency rootlets. After all, a climate of 89% humidity and 25°C/77°F that's needed to root cuttings is not exactly something Mother Nature will readily provide a plant with. In nature an annual like cannabis will not start growing new roots once the stem is broken. A seed plant originating from a germination process of 12 hours (I'm referring to the 12-12 hour system we have developed and have been propagating for years) will simply be vigorous and in most cases won't grow side branches, but instead produce one big cola from bottom to top. A cola is a unit of several buds forming one big bud.


In itself hermaphrodites are a natural phenomenon. In nature, when reproduction is theatened, it allows female plants to produce male flowers and thus auto-pollinate. The commercial hemp industry has proven on a grand scale it's possible to genetically fix hermaphroditism.
When I first marketed female (as opposed to feminised) seed 13 years ago there were only a few people who envisioned where this would lead. Jos (the former chief of Top Weert) actually was the first smarty pants that recognised the huge potential. Not one single male has sprouted from the 120.000 seeds I have grown during that period. The many interviews that followed (Highlife, Grow Magazine, Canamo etc.) made several people scratch their heads. The Ministry of Agriculture even gave me a license to produce female industrial hemp seed indoors. Winni of German magazine Grow (grow!: Home) didn't have any confidence this whole female thing would lead anywhere. I was stupid enough to assume that friends and/or people who could think ahead saw the same thing I saw. On the plane to Nepal we even quarreled like little boys. My fanaticism and cast iron vision had developed so far I hardly accepted contradiction. Pigheaded as hell. And Winni, well he's still very much okay, a truely respected human being and a great writer in hour “world of herbs”. A guy who follows the cannabis scene from A to Z, looks for the essence, considers soberly and reports about it as honest and neutral as possible.

But hey, look again... right now, in 2010? Uncle Cees was right again... grinzzz. There is hardly a seed bank to be found that doesn't sell feminised seed! They have been very busy trying to find the way to produce female seed but haven't succeeded. Various people and/or seed merchants knocked on my door. Often they represented some well known seed bank. Yes, also very large seed banks (but serious money was never offered to “get the job done” by those scrapers).

Unfortunately... it took me 14 years to actually be able to produce female seeds... so I decided to keep the formula to myself. But all hell broke loose. Henk van Dalen of Dutch Passion Seeds was the first serious seed bank that marketed 100% female seed. In an interview in Highlife magazine (spring 1999) he said he didn't want to reveal how he produced female seed. He did indicate however they used an aggressive or unnatural substance. He suggested some sort of salty solution. It didn't take long or Dutch Passion rectified as well and said it was feminised seed instead of 100% female seed. In the meanwhile things have quieted down again. The fact that feminised seed did result in a high percentage of female plants slowed down the intensity of the search for 100% female seeds. The consumer pays well for the present concept and is satisfied with the way things are going. And well, that leaves the developing space to the unstoppable pioneers.



It is not a secret I use Gibberalic Acid to manipulate. As far as possible I have always written fair and square what I did and how I did it. In Dutch horticulture Gibberalic Acid has been used for decades, especially in fruit and flower breeding. Gibberalic Acid naturally occurs in plants. Gibberalic Acid is a growth promoting plant hormone that for example is triggered by changes in light duration and amongst others induces the production of growth and/or flowering hormones. Science is not quite sure how to classify Gibberalic Acid. To simply call it a hormone would be out of line.

In the 1969 edition of Mel Frank's Green Guide I read it should be possible to create female seed by using Gibberalic Acid. When it appeared he hadn't succeeded in doing so, I was sold.
Not a day passed without me being occupied with this possibility. It took me 14 long years to actually succeed. After extensive consultations with toxicologist dr Alink from the university of Wageningen I could take off. At the time he was thé authority to turn to when you were insecure about the substance you were working with. I got a unequivocal and written green light that enabled me to work safely with Gibberalic Acid in the concentration I had in mind. The reason for me to take it easy in this regard right now has to do with my private life. I'm glad I learned there is a real world besides the plant. And that was something I really needed. On the other hand... blood is thicker than water. LOL …


The way it really works and the difference between feminised & female seed!

Feminised seed originates from pollen of female plants that in some way (there are many ways) has been stressed in order to induce hermaphrodites. That happens quite often, while cannabis naturally has the hermaphrodite factor in it's genes. In other words, male flowers are called for in a female plant to produce pollen. That's not that difficult to do, and as far as I can see there's way too much paid for the resulting seeds. Seed originating from pollen (XXY) of these cheated female plants is entitled to be called feminised. Take note... the Y factor is still in the game. The fact feminised seed often produces many, or even exclusively female plants, is something that's hidden within nature. Like a female plant “knows” under which circumstances she should produce some male flowers (the hermaphroditism present in the gen) and healthy seed to secure reproduction, she also “knows” (genetic commitment) that she has to produce a lot of females the next round. Before we know exactly how that process works and wise up to it, we'll probably be dead and buried. It's a fact that feminised seed often produces a lot of females. But you know... you don't have that 100% guarantee and very possibly there will be some males. Make sure too not to shock your plants from feminised seed, because hermaphroditism is always lurking round the corner.
Female (100% female) seed is a completely different story. A female plant is called a XX plant. XX signifying female and XY signifying male.

Once you're able to control female flowering hormones in the right manner, without stressing the plant any more, the male flowers that have been produced as a result of a complete “misunderstanding” by the plant, create pollen that is genetically pure XX (see picture). Every healthy female flower that gets pollinated by this pollen will produce 100% female seed. As long as there is only XX in the equation, leaving no room for the Y... it is strictly female. In the past I have tried to stress some pure females that originated from XX pollen... but that only increased the number of herma's.
It may be evident that during this quest seed makers concluded that feminised seed was “good enough” to go ahead, and that's probably a shame. Most of all that progress was financially motivated,as I don't think genetics were very important there. Growers and smokers would welcome a little more candour and a little more selected information; the average grower really doesn't know the difference between feminised and female seed. The seed business sticks to this English term because it's vague, ambivalent and veiling. At a consumer's level there is hardly any information to be found about the difference between female and feminised seed. In my mind there's no doubt that when feminised seed is used in the breeding process, it has a negative influence on genetics. Within canna-world morality usually takes a back seat because money has to be made no matter what. Like anywhere else! And I know, making female seed by using honest manipulation is not that simple at all. Even I don't succeed more than 2-3 times out of every 10 attempts. Apart from that, the villains are always vigilant. At the time I was living in the province of Zeeland, 170 plants loaded with female seeds were violently ripped from me. Thanks to that rip-off a “Quality” seed company in the Netherlands got very succesful. But hey, actually I was thinking one step ahead already. Hopefully seed farmers realize that maintaining the present seed banks can only be done responsibly by safeguarding the pure lines, without manipulating, and thus free of XXY seed. Time will tell.

Without exception our regular seed decends from ruthlessly selected plants. Apart from the F1 hybrids they originate from at least six times backcrossing on their progenitors – at least F6. Without exception those progenitors as well originated from seed fixed by inbreeding (to F6) and lengthy, merciless selection, focussed on the good properties as well as vitality. Through the years I learned to appreciate that a little bit of good luck is more than welcome here.
Especially Double Fun (F6), Lucky Queen (F1 Hybrid), Royal Queen (F1 Hybrid) and Santa Maria( F8) are varieties that have proven themselves to us and many growers the last couple of years. It's great we have also grown a variety that was given a name beforehand; it's called GreenLeaf Queen and it originates from 80% Double Fun and 20% Santa Maria. Why deal with GreenLeaf? Well, I really appreciate the things those people are doing, so collaboration is something positive. They want to reach more German speaking people and promote seed. But in Germany that's not allowed. So, other formula.
Don't make a mistake about a well grown F1 hybrid. Often those are the plants with exceptional vigor, the positive result of a cross of two heavily inbred and selected varieties. In other words: F6 x F6 = F1 hybrid.

Sometimes it seems like they received a blood transfusion. There's a good reason why so many F1 hybrids are sold in the commercial flower and vegetable seed business. Double inbreeding, selecting and then crossing after 6-7 generations remains the most succesful formula up to this day. Naturally the parents of that F1 seed remain in the seed bank because breeding from F1 hybrid seed creates a mixture of all kind of things; they are not stable and all sorts of progenitors may show up. From which a seed bank would benefit of course. As far as knowledge is concerned the development of cannabis breeding in the Netherlands levels with that of commerial breeding for agricultural seed stock. Take a look on our website and/or forum. We don't have big glossy brochures, we don't wear company clothing, we hardly give away anything for free, we don't drive flashy cars... but we are the cheapest, hand out reliable information and guarantee our quality. Seed banks that can sell quality seeds to retailers at the prices we sell for, may rise now. On top of that we are easy to reach, can provide you with information 6 days a week by telephone, e-mail, on our website and/or forum. Good seed doesn't need to be expensive.


Our G.A. Special Spray should not be considered a spray to create female seed. During my search for the production of female seed I stumbled into exactly the right dosage of G.A. that stimulates extra lush flowering in cannabis plants. G.A. Spray is nothing more and nothing less than a flowering booster/stimulator. When used stupidly it can even cause hermaphrodites in your garden. So read the info sheet real well just in case!


This is how it works: when our indoor plants are flowering for approximately 22-26 days, they have realised they're not going to get fertilised. Because certain substances are hardly or not at all being used and their cycle takes a different turn than nature had planned, a “switch is flicked” and they are susceptible to fertilisation once more. There's still 12 hours of light, enough nutrition, the soil temperature isn't any cooler and there's plenty of water – all radically different from what a plant would experience outdoors. At this point they once again produce flowering hormones, which take care of the formation of more new buds on top of the existing buds. This is called the secondary internodial flowering. Only plants that are very healthy may show this. A wicked sativa like a Mexican Haze... can produce some 5, 6 or 7 internodes of flowering. It is advisable to harvest haze varieties in stages. Secondary internodial flowering is created by interaction and commands to the plant. Gibberalic Acid is the substance present within the plant that takes care of this communication. It is a matter of making sure there is more of this substance present to give flowering hormones a little more stimulation. It's a fact our G.A. Spray (amongst others) has been copied by several entrepreneurs in our line of business. Whether those imitations contain what they're supposed to contain is highly questionable.

Stay Cool, High and take Time to Fly !
 

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