No Mercy Seeds 12/12 Hours 7 Harvests a Year System

[Keith Lake]

why couldn't you do this with hydro; either individual buckets or fem seed

 

[baldalicious]

I plan on doing it in passive hydro.....hempy buckets.

I'm wondering more about aero/Deep Water Culture. Germ the seeds, feminized, then transplant to rockwool in a multistation aero or Deep Water Culture set up and start with the 12/12 right away. I wonder what would happen? My guess is someone, somewhere as tried it but I've yet to find any documentation or even mention of it in the forums I belong to. With hydro, it's recommended that no nutes be used for the first couple of weeks after germination so that might be an issue but if seedlings grow without nutes under 24 hours of fluorescents, why not under 12/12 HID? I wonder if Cees ever tried this but, again, I've never seen any mention of it.

 

[maddie420]

Anyone using this "straight to 12/12" method?

yes i have

 

[Stealthy1]

I'm wondering more about aero/Deep Water Culture. Germ the seeds, feminized, then transplant to rockwool in a multistation aero or Deep Water Culture set up and start with the 12/12 right away. I wonder what would happen? My guess is someone, somewhere as tried it but I've yet to find any documentation or even mention of it in the forums I belong to. With hydro, it's recommended that no nutes be used for the first couple of weeks after germination so that might be an issue but if seedlings grow without nutes under 24 hours of fluorescents, why not under 12/12 HID? I wonder if Cees ever tried this but, again, I've never seen any mention of it.

Im using this method now check out my grow 4 weeks in now.
Though they are not growing like they are in pictures I have many side branches just like a vegged plant....

No nutes are used in dirt because there is plenty of nutes in the soil...
Water doesnt have that so you need to add some I ran mine pretty low at seedling levels for the first 3 weeks now im up to about 700ppm still low but they like it.

 

[Stealthy1]

Well Im pretty sure nomercy is a sponsor why else would they have a subforum here.
So yah its like an add because it is.

I have linked my grow in my sig so you can see what happened. Basically I tried this with hydro and it didnt work... plants just kept growing like normal maybe its the strain but I wont try it in hydro again...
I will try it in dirt some time though.

 

[Doc Bud]

for the hundreds of people that have said "yes, there are many studies that conclude this is the best - go to nomercy.com for more info" in this thread....

please, PLEASE start backing up your claims. the worst shit is when people just say "yeah, i found out it is great, so there" without actually adding any source information to the post. all in all, this really just seemed like an advertisement thread for NoMercy, seeing as how many times they posted hyperlinks to their website (even in the first page alone).

and to everyone that said "i'm using this method now" almost 2 years ago, what ever happened? you forget about it? or did you forget about us?

Lots of people have grown this way. The most common reasons more people don't do it boil down to number of plants allowed either by grow space or MMJ reco, AND the fact that seeds cost lots of money, so people like to have mother plants and use cuttings.

If you have a cheap source of seeds, aren't afraid to grow 30 plants and you grow a strain that likes 12/12, this is a superior method. Obviously, it's not for everyone.

Well Im pretty sure nomercy is a sponsor why else would they have a subforum here.
So yah its like an add because it is.

I have linked my grow in my sig so you can see what happened. Basically I tried this with hydro and it didnt work... plants just kept growing like normal maybe its the strain but I wont try it in hydro again...
I will try it in dirt some time though.

I do know this works. The yield per plant is much lower than if they were vegged and grown out, but you can grow more plants per square foot and get more production out of your light.

I know of one pro grower who has used this method with good results. He doesn't do it any longer, because he's growing from cuttings, but from seed it works very well.

I've got some seeds from No Mercy, and I will be doing a 12/12 grow this year. Perhaps in the summer. Running the light less will be a good thing.

 

[Munki]

I'm with ya DocBud. With different situations come different "best solutions". This method unfortunately does suffer from legal drawbacks in the US to put it in disfavor.

 

[Doc Bud]

I'm with ya DocBud. With different situations come different "best solutions". This method unfortunately does suffer from legal drawbacks in the US to put it in disfavor.

Yep!

When it becomes legal, we could put 50 seeds in a big bin, start 'em on 12/12, pull the males in 3 weeks, and harvest.

30 females@1.5 ounces each = 45 ounces=1260 grams= 1.26 grams per watt, assuming 1000 watt light.

Not bad. Not hard to do.

 

[Hash Hound]

alright its been about 2 months since the last post in here, that should have given someone enough time to try it and give an opinion. Anyone?

 

[Doc Bud]

alright its been about 2 months since the last post in here, that should have given someone enough time to try it and give an opinion. Anyone?

I'm doing it.
Un-Lucky Queen 12/12.....it's in my signature.

 

[Steve McStoferson]

I'm running a 12/12 from seed grow right now and have about 2-3 weeks left. They are budding up nicely, but the yield isn't very good. They showed sex about 2 weeks after they broke soil. They were about 6" tall and all 4 were ladies. Now they're around 14-18" tall and I would say will produce an ounce each. Not the best grow, but not the worst. Honestly, I'd only do 12/12 from seed if I were growing 10 or more plants at the same time. for 4 plants, I'd just grow them normally so they have more bud sites and yield heavier.

 

[Munki]

I'm running a 12/12 from seed grow right now and have about 2-3 weeks left. They are budding up nicely, but the yield isn't very good. They showed sex about 2 weeks after they broke soil. They were about 6" tall and all 4 were ladies. Now they're around 14-18" tall and I would say will produce an ounce each. Not the best grow, but not the worst. Honestly, I'd only do 12/12 from seed if I were growing 10 or more plants at the same time. for 4 plants, I'd just grow them normally so they have more bud sites and yield heavier.

This method encourages high plant counts as culling weaklings and males are normal parts of the process. That is how I understand it. This does not fit well with most US legislative controls for medical marijuana. Strict plant counts are often the first measure employed; probably to stop huge outdoor forests I imagine. For indoor growers, the best way to work within these limits are to maximize plant size with extended veg cycles. If the laws changed by not focusing on simple plant counts, the method described here becomes much more viable.

 

[Slick50]

No Mercy Supply 12/12 hour system


Sometimes I can’t understand that growers still stick to old growing techniques.

One of these old growing techniques is to work with cuttings. With those cuttings you have to rely on what the market has to offer you.
Apart from that, you have to ask yourself if you really got what they told you they should give.
Also you often get spider mites and/or thrips for free.
And on top of that the price of cuttings has gone up dramatically over the last years.
And then…….. you have to hope they “catch on” immediately.
Most of the time this is not the case and you see them “catch on” only after about a week to 10 days.
Years ago I wrote: we are returning to seed culture instead of cuttings.
And see… I’ve seen signs left and right that I was telling the truth back then.

GO AND WORK WITH SEED!
It’s cheaper, easier, anonymous and legal, no more waiting and carrying around suspicious wet boxes, no more spider mite/thrips. Your growing rooms don’t stay empty unnessarily, and for sure you harvest more than from cuttings. And if you do it right, you can harvest 7x a year, etc, etc, etc.

How?

Just by using the tricks of Mother Nature!
Assume that seed in cold ground needs 5 to 10 weeks before it chooses its sex.
With 12 hours of light you can force them to choose there sex right away.
Mount a preferably in height-adjustable light fixture with 4-5 fluorescent lights over your seedlings in your flowering room.
The best fluorescent lights are 3x Philips cool white 33 ( NOT "deluxe") and 2x Philips 83 or 84 !
Your “lighting store” knows exactly what you mean and they are not expensive.
Have the tubes run on the same 12 hours as your flowering space by using a timer.
This way you prevent bad light and getting herma`s.
Use pots size 9x9 cm or 10x10 cm in which you put 1 seed.
To read how to germinate your seed follow the instructions on No Mercy Supply and look under the button "Knowledge" and then "grow-info".
Sow 3 seeds for every 2 females you need, 20 days before you harvest. Use good sowing/cutting soil with clay in it!
Be sure your medium isn’t overfed. An EC of 0.5-0.7 is ok, and in this figure I include the ballast from the tapwater.

With the fluorescent lights right above their heads you’ll be amazed how well the seedlings will develop on 12/12 hours….. and directly choose to be male or female.
That’s why you can weed out the males on the 16-17th day. After 20 days even the biggest noob can recognize the males and get them out.

Don’t be afraid of pollination… females are always receptive a bit later than the males to release their pollen. In the worst case there can grow just one seed in a node of the plant through pollination of a female that chose sex.
They always show their sex in the node by creating one female flower. (Apparently there is a reason for this)
After you have harvested your flowering room… you can put the female seedlings right from under the fluorescents into the 12/12 flowering regi me the same day, so you don’t lose any time.
Because the new “batch” of females are already flowering for 2,5 weeks… you only have 7 weeks to go to your next harvest!
In the meantime (20 days before harvesting) you have again sown seeds and the process repeats.
The result: You get more compact plants without all the lateral branches that take lots of space, take away light and cause a lot of cutting work.
A seedling which is put on 12/12 straight away will only make one big bud of 50-70 cm without lateral branches.
SO…you can put more plants on a square meter because they don’t stand in each others way!
If you start realizing that 85% of the weight comes from the main bud… you’ll understand this system and will seriously consider using it.
Bigger growers can always make a deal about the price of the seed. (Think about that)

Resuming this story: harvesting 7x a year without spider mites/thrips and all that trouble, a much better end result and a lot less bud cleaning to do.
Don’t forget that seedlings have a taproot by nature… and that makes a big difference.

There will be questions about this… we will see.

If you are one of the naughty boys that puts 6 instead of 5 plants make an appointment and get yourself some info.

Source : No Mercy Seeds

This method works I have tried it and with seeds it is possible

 

[Firestone]

If your needs were low,say an ounce-ounce and half month,you could run this on small scale, 8-10 seedlings,cull the males at two weeks,and then start rolling into the rotation SpeeCees is talking about. Even half-assing it you should be able to meet your needs.

Heck,you could take pollen from one of the males and use it on one of the early bud sites to provide all the seed you'd need for a couple of years of 12/12 grows.

Start with a short maturing,true breeding,high potency strain and you're rockin'.

 

[Jaguarnaut]

Hi, I'm new here.

I haven't read this entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has been mentioned already, but this technique is the way to go with the longer flowering sativa hybrids, if you want to grow these indoors. You'll still get sizeable plants but you won't need any veg stage so you save on electricity and get premium weed in 3 months if you like sativas ... You can train the plants by bending and tying or do a sea of green with a net....

 

[gairbud]

yep for most of my 35 years of growing. 12/12 gives way better results with alot less work. when doing production i do 12/12 from flowering clones or veg shoots.
my normal day is this
12/12 at seed till 1 week old.
12 on 5 off 1 on 6 off [1 day]thru veg to about 14 to 18 inches.then strait up 12/12 till finish. then rejuve or pick a mother and clone her. rejuve for another harvest. i have gotten 5 harvests a year off the same plants. 7 is posible. i useally take a break about 5 weeks in oct, nov . as i do outdoor harvest drying then. no time for indoor and vacation time. but yes i know it can be done. perpetual growth and big buds.

 

[PotChimp]

sounds interesting. But, how much weight could you possibly get off a plant that's been on 12/12 from the start?

Depending on the strain, the growing medium and the type and wattage of the light system, you could get quite a bit. But with fluorescent lights and this type of system, I think the idea would be to do a lot of plants to make up for the smaller size.

 

[s1ingblade]

not sure if this is still an active from but I got a question for Spees: do you recommend someone who wants to sprout under 12/12 using feminized seed when possible? I read somewhere where yo mention sprouting 3 seeds for every desired female? Thanks man

 

[Hash Hound]

s1ing

for what it's worth, I have used fem seeds 12/12 from seed with no problem.

I do however notice you get what you get. There isn't a lot of veg time to allow a shorter indica to keep up with a stretchy sativa or hybrid.

here is my journal with 5 different strains 12/12 from seed
Hash Hounds Nirvana Super Skunk & Papaya in Soil

 

[paperclip]

Thanks alot xD this is very exiting! Im going to try it out as soon as I get my seeds maturexD