New City Grower 2.0

[Spimp]

Hi Reg
Reg, That hanger looks like the best piano ever.

Once stack a dollar really gets to growing in the next few weeks, I think the cuttings may end up being your first clones. I noticed in my re-veg that the growth rate (once kicked in) was crazy almost to the point I couldn't stop it. That may make for excellent clone contenders...

 

[B A R]

Stealth, Toker, John, and Sarah.


I'll be putting my membership card deep in my wallet for now Spimp. After taking your advice my hands are going to be full for awhile.

 

[PotChimp]

Thanks a lot KingJohnC, I am going to buy those nutes for my next grow I think.

@Peejay, Thank you so much for that great read,
It sounds very accurate and just plain old right, on the bright side my little plant is full into stretch now, pisils are starting to shoot everywhere!! Also my big plant has clearly taking a hit but the buds are definetley putting weight on, I think the flushing saved its ass to be honest, it looks like its slowly coming back... I absolutely agree with the fact that it doesnt ever seem to be one problem... One thing I have noticed alot in the last week is the main top stem starting to get red lines running up it, which I think is a Magnesium def, again I locked all nutes and burned the little root hairs makes sense it has locked all NPK CA MG out..

Anyway thanks alot for all your help! Keep reading as much as possible, one day Marijuana will be so accepted and that knowledge you have will be worth alot =)

Here's a chart that shows what elements get locked out at different pH levels:

 

[PotChimp]

Reps for the harvest!

 

[B A R]

QUICK UPDATE​

FLUXY MOMMA (Power Flower, Flux style) Day 126




I stripped everything inside the flux except on the arms that haven't reached the pot rim yet. I didn't touch those so that they might grow faster as the rest are trying to recover. I also fimmed all the over & under heads again.



Before

After

 

[PeeJay]

That looks to be your most potent harvest so far, Reg!

Awesome chart, Chimp.

Chimps chart is nice because it shows that things taper off. The other one is a little more absolute. It's scarier, "oh crap my runoff was 6.3. Calcium, Magnesium, and Potassium are all locked out!" Or, "I'm doomed! I got a reading of 6.7 and I'm totally locked out on Iron and Manganese! It's much more supportive of my position that so long as you are between 6.0 and 7.0 there is nothing to be concerned about. Imagine how much less thrashing about with pH meters would be going on if this was the chart that was always posted? I'd love to know the origins of the pretty chart; who made it based on what data.

 

[jaamzhow]

Spimp man, you should know that you shouldn't imbed your own quote within your quote; causes a rip in space time continuum.

 

[PotChimp]

Chimps chart is nice because it shows that things taper off. The other one is a little more absolute. It's scarier, "oh crap my runoff was 6.3. Calcium, Magnesium, and Potassium are all locked out!" Or, "I'm doomed! I got a reading of 6.7 and I'm totally locked out on Iron and Manganese! It's much more supportive of my position that so long as you are between 6.0 and 7.0 there is nothing to be concerned about. Imagine how much less thrashing about with pH meters would be going on if this was the chart that was always posted? I'd love to know the origins of the pretty chart; who made it based on what data.

Notice what happens to P and K between 7.5 and 8.5 on the chart from Hemp Diseases and Pests I posted? I'm not sure how practical that information is to know, but it's interesting. I noticed that the newer diagrams don't show this particular data.

 

[PeeJay]

What it looks like to me is someone made the pretty chart based on a chart like yours, Chimp, but they couldn't handle the tapering with whatever software they were using so just hacked stuff off where it started to taper... I knew I didn't like that chart but was too stupid to look for another one until you posted yours. There are tons of them if you look, and they all are mirrors of the one you posted... The vertical format of the pretty chart also gives me pains.

Interesting observation on the P and K link to morbitity in the 7.5 to 8.5 range.

That pretty chart is posted all the time. When you consider that the plant can control pH in miniscule zones via exudates, and that the same transporter move ions with the same charge leading to competitive inhibition... I don't think the pretty chart helps all the new growers who are exposed to it. An inexpensive meter that may or not be frequently and carefully calibrated, a chart that shows perilous cut off points, and the problems with taking a reading off of runoff are a formula for torment if I've ever seen one. I love that KJC has his heart in the right place when he distributes that thing, but I think it causes a lot of unnecessary stress and anxiety.

Competitive inhibition of transport is a big problem that is neglected. The +2 ions depend on the same transport mechanism but the calcium is more easily moved, mostly because it is a bigger ion. Too much Ca inhibits Mg transport.

Oh well... I wonder if we can get KJC to change the one he posts? Do you have one for hydro, Chimp?

 

[skunnymonster]

I think the pretty graph is a great tool if not taken literally but used as a general guide

 

[PeeJay]

Thanks, Skunny. Of the two which one do you think is easier to read?

 

[trichomes]

congrats on another fine harvest, BAR and a great looking Mommaflux

 

[PeeJay]

Sorry everyone if I seem like a PITA. I'm just very interested in this stuff. I understand it well in humans and animals and am delving into it in plants/cannabis. I see a lot of familiar things in the chart that the Chip posted to what we see in animals. I never really noticed them from looking at the vertical chart. Your mileage may vary.

 

[GardenFaerie]

Jay, I don't find you to be a PITA. When you think about it, what is the difference between plants and animals? Aside, of course, from the obvious, but the mechanism of each organism stems from the same stuff, atoms, DNA, molecules, arranged differently. So pH in plants and animals would work the same way, but at different levels. Maybe the complexity of the animal would have more genetic triggers than plants, like the switches we talked about the other day, etc. Another subject...

The other thing about pH which a lot of people don't know is that, between 6.0 and 7.0 is 100 fold. A pH of 7.0 is 100 times more alkaline than a 6.0, etc. This is why somewhere in the neutral zone you will see things dropping off or ramp up. The differences between the disciplines within science are not as far apart as people think...but it is definitely all very complex.

 

[trichomes]

Thanks, Skunny. Of the two which one do you think is easier to read?

PeeJay; Currently, the chart with the full names is best for my novice dome to comprehend, especially after a

IE: why is Potassium, K? that's whack. I give both charts & chart posters, an A & a puff stick

 

[PeeJay]

You've got the gist of it, GF, but you are a tad off. A tenth is a tenth between 6.0 and 7.0, but the difference between 5.9 and 6.0 is = to the whole difference between 6.0 and 7.0. The pH scale is logarithmic like the scale they use to measure earthquakes.

 

[PeeJay]

PeeJay; Currently, the chart with the full names is best for my novice dome to comprehend, especially after a

IE: why is Potassium, K? that's whack. I give both charts & chart posters, an A & a puff stick

If K was P, what would you make P (phosphorous.) Could it be K?

 

[COorganics]

I have done no more than a quick glance at the nute deficiency chart and the PH chart.

I was a little confused by both and moved along.
Nice thing is if you go the complete organic soil route, PH is basically irrelevant and deficiencies and lockouts just don't occur. So really understanding and interpreting either chart doesn't have to be necessary, unless we, the growers, make it so.

My couple pennys.

 

[Dennise]

I don't know where else to post this so I am going to post it here..... congrats Spimp.......

 

[B A R]

SMOKE REPORT​

STACK A DOLLAR (Cotton Candy, Re-veg)​

The pic above is the method I use to quick dry popcorn buds.
After smoking one I find it to be a quiet 5. The taste of sweetness is a tad bit stronger than the first time around and it has a little more of a "couch lock" effect than I prefer. One thing I can say is it's pretty smooth already.
I'd say the strength of the high is similar to the original harvest which leaves me to believe that the 3rd time around should be a charm.
On her first harvest I didn't really know what I was doing and on this harvest I ran into crazy issues.

Spimp man, you should know that you shouldn't imbed your own quote within your quote; causes a rip in space time continuum.

Here's a tip--

Always check your sidewalk planters for Wild Cannabis...

Hi Reg
Since I am off that 707 headband, and basically too lazy to checkback, Are you feeding any nutes?

I think I just blew my own mind...

I found it to be relevant to the flow of the the convo Jam. Not all of us read every post. (I do)
EDIT: Oh wait I feel the ripple effect...

Thanks, Skunny. Of the two which one do you think is easier to read?

I prefer the black & white chart. Maybe someone can color it in to make it pretty for you Monster. LOL...
Just teasing you.



I'm not sure if that route is safe or not COorganics as I've PH balanced nearly from day one. But it makes since to me that if it just so happens your water is already within parameters your good. It very well might not even matter at all but if there's a chance that it can improve the grow I'm all for balancing the PH.




Thanxx Trichster