My First Time Growing

[Dennise]

I was just getting ready to say the same thing Rad so thank you for typing it all out for me... Smoke if you were not using a Living organic soil it might be useful but with the soil you are using it is not needed and the extra sugar will just clog up the circuits IMO... the only thing I do other than add water is a foliar spray of essential oils mixed in water at lights out every 3 days... it kinda pisses the girls off and they put out trichs for protection so the thought is that it helps build trichs.... and it does but it is not something you need to worry about this round... your next round in flower you might want to try it...

 

[Jonwayne]

I should have went back and seen what type of nutrients he was using before I mentioned it. Apologies, and what Radogast said about what comes off the internet couldn be more true. But all I've ever seen says it won't do anything but help your final product if used the last few weeks of flower. As I'm a noob myself I'm constantly looking for ways to improve my methods witch is what led me here. And very interesting what you say about the Molasses radogast, never heard that side before. So your saying for a grow like mine with bottled nutrients being us3. That I'm pretty much wasting my time adding the Molasses? I apologize smoke, not trying to high jack your journal. If the stuff isn't helping me either I'll stop using it. Because I use a mix of top soil, perlite, tiny bit of sand amd worm castings in my soil mix amd feed a 3 part nute schedule on all my older plants. I'm still learning to smoke, take anything I say with a grain of salt and confirm it with some of these professionals lol all I know about growing weeds I've learned from 420 mag. And I've forgot everything I thought I knew about it before I discovered 420mag.

 

[Dennise]

Rad I swear I'm not trying to argue just for the sake of arguing but KingJohnC taught me to use Blackstrap when I was using Fox Farms full line of soil and nutes and his reasoning was so they would have an easy access to sugars for energy since the Fox Farms is not a living soil and you are feeding the plant not the soil where in the soil Smoke and I are using would be considered a living organic soil so therefore we are feeding the soil which feeds the plant.. so with all that being said the thinking is it will just clog up the works and not really serve a good purpose... For what it's worth and probably not a whole lot.......

 

[Dennise]

I should have went back and seen what type of nutrients he was using before I mentioned it. Apologies, and what Radogast said about what comes off the internet couldn be more true. But all I've ever seen says it won't do anything but help your final product if used the last few weeks of flower. As I'm a noob myself I'm constantly looking for ways to improve my methods witch is what led me here. And very interesting what you say about the Molasses radogast, never heard that side before. So your saying for a grow like mine with bottled nutrients being us3. That I'm pretty much wasting my time adding the Molasses? I apologize smoke, not trying to high jack your journal. If the stuff isn't helping me either I'll stop using it. Because I use a mix of top soil, perlite, tiny bit of sand amd worm castings in my soil mix amd feed a 3 part nute schedule on all my older plants. I'm still learning to smoke, take anything I say with a grain of salt and confirm it with some of these professionals lol all I know about growing weeds I've learned from 420 mag. And I've forgot everything I thought I knew about it before I discovered 420mag.

I don't mean to hi-jack your journal Smoke but this is important... you should never ever apoligize for asking a question or stating something you think might be of help.... That is how we all learn and to think of better ways to maybe do something... I for one very much appreciate your question and look forward to the post from other members with their opinions........

 

[JimmieJ]

After 4-5 weeks many have frosty leaves. Should your's be frostier? It depends on the soil, light, and genetics. I expected a little more frostier by now too - so it could be the bag seed genetics. Brand name seeds usually produce more trichomes than bag seeds. HOWEVER ...

Even if your leaves only have a few trichomes at harvest, there will still be trichomes on the buds themselves. You will get THC. You will get high. You will get pain relief.


p.s. My girls put into flower on 2/26 don't have frosty leaves yet. I know from their mothers that both these girls will produce top shelf smoke.

One of my girls is getting a hint of frosty leaves, the other, nothing yet. Roughly same time frame as your girls, too. The one that isn't frosty yet is the healthiest one. Being my first grow, the suspense is growing. Bet the same for you Smoke!

 

[Dennise]

Oh and for sure don't pour it straight into your soil ever... I used to mix 1 tbsp per gallon of water when I was using the FoxFarms....

 

[JimmieJ]

I was just getting ready to say the same thing Rad so thank you for typing it all out for me... Smoke if you were not using a Living organic soil it might be useful but with the soil you are using it is not needed and the extra sugar will just clog up the circuits IMO... the only thing I do other than add water is a foliar spray of essential oils mixed in water at lights out every 3 days... it kinda pisses the girls off and they put out trichs for protection so the thought is that it helps build trichs.... and it does but it is not something you need to worry about this round... your next round in flower you might want to try it...

So trichs can be a protection mechanism? Fascinating and I want to know more! In time.

 

[Smokeater]

I should have went back and seen what type of nutrients he was using before I mentioned it. Apologies, and what Radogast said about what comes off the internet couldn be more true. But all I've ever seen says it won't do anything but help your final product if used the last few weeks of flower. As I'm a noob myself I'm constantly looking for ways to improve my methods witch is what led me here. And very interesting what you say about the Molasses radogast, never heard that side before. So your saying for a grow like mine with bottled nutrients being us3. That I'm pretty much wasting my time adding the Molasses? I apologize smoke, not trying to high jack your journal. If the stuff isn't helping me either I'll stop using it. Because I use a mix of top soil, perlite, tiny bit of sand amd worm castings in my soil mix amd feed a 3 part nute schedule on all my older plants. I'm still learning to smoke, take anything I say with a grain of salt and confirm it with some of these professionals lol all I know about growing weeds I've learned from 420 mag. And I've forgot everything I thought I knew about it before I discovered 420mag.

No problem Jonwayne, I'm not using any nutes (have been told not to since the beginning). I was just worried because my girls aren't building up any trich's. and Radogast assures me they will come in. They have only been in flower since 2/16.

 

[Radogast]

One of my girls is getting a hint of frosty leaves, the other, nothing yet. Roughly same time frame as your girls, too. The one that isn't frosty yet is the healthiest one. Being my first grow, the suspense is growing. Bet the same for you Smoke!

I took a closer look at the girls in the flower room since 2/26, and one of them shows trichomes for 1/2" near the buds - to the naked eye. Can't really see in the first photo.

Borderliner Iman, 3' tall, 27 days in flower, just showing a few trichomes

The flash reveals what the naked eye does not see - trichomes !

 

[Smokeater]

I don't mean to hi-jack your journal Smoke but this is important... you should never ever apoligize for asking a question or stating something you think might be of help.... That is how we all learn and to think of better ways to maybe do something... I for one very much appreciate your question and look forward to the post from other members with their opinions........

Your welcome to to talk about anything in my journal Dennise, don't think of it as hi-jacking. I want to hear all opinions. What your talking about is the problem I was worried about and got into a conversation about the molasses to help build up the trich's because I can't see any Trich's on my girls at all, but they have only been in flower for a little over 5 weeks (since 2/16). Rad reassured me they will come in and if they don't the buds will have them on them. I was just worried I wasn't going to be able to quit my narcs because the harvest wouldn't be any good if it wasn't producing any trichomes.

 

[Radogast]

I wrote a post where I apologized for speaking so harshly and that I might be wrong. A bit of molasses in water may be a good thing for soil microbes.


Emilya seems to think so, and she grows better bud than I do

Emmie's LSD Grow Log



I'm not sure I can apologize for assholosity in consecutive posts, so take my word for it. I may have spoken with authority when I meant concern.

I, personally, am not comfortable feeding molasses in water to plants in flower because it can potentially disrupt a soil community/soil food web that has organized iself around assisting your flowering girl to extract nutrients from the soil. Why mess with a working system - and I just have to trust that soil organisms know their business better than I do.


What to do in late flower is an area that seems to support lots of myths and theories - since bud size and quality is so important to what we do.

Myth of 'The Flush' - this is the idea that pouring extra water through the soil somehow rinses chemical flavors out of the plant. I have not done empirical tests to prove this is a myth, but it makes no sense to me that washing 'junk'and nutrition out of the soil washes 'junk' out of the plant. - On the other hand, washing 'junk' off the OUTSIDE of the buds at harvest time does rinse off harsh flavors from hair, dust, insects and the miscellaneous stuff that clings to sticky trichomes.

In my semi-humble opinion, molasses providing sweetness to buds is a similar myth. If buds needed more sugar they would take it from storage in the leaves, stalk and roots and keep their leaves green to keep transforming light into sugar (and H2O and CO2 into O2, and ATP into ADP, and other stuff I barely understand since I got my high school chemistry teacher fired and had to drop the class.) But instead they often let the leaves yellow, apparently becaus ethey need the nitrogen in the leaves to build buds more than they need the nitrogen in the chloroplasts of the leaves to keep synthesizing more sugars.


Feel free to correct me. I sure don't want to lead anyone astray.

 

[Smokeater]

I took a closer look at the girls in the flower room since 2/26, and one of them shows trichomes for 1/2" near the buds - to the naked eye. Can't really see in the first photo.

Borderliner Iman, 3' tall, 27 days in flower, just showing a few trichomes

The flash reveals what the naked eye does not see - trichomes !

But doesn't that mean I do have a problem? Mine have been in flower since 2/16 but yours you can see and they went into flower on 2/26and I still can't see even a single glisten on anything anywhere even with the lighted magnifying glass and a flashlight on them. I'm just concerned that these aren't going to help me quit the narcotics. And is why I was so interested in anything that would help the plant build up the Trichomes. In fact, here are some pic's I just took right now by carrying a plant closer to my seat (probably not my smartest move since now I'm sore, but will call my son to put it back) for better light, (some are clearer than others), but as of 2 minutes ago, I still don't see anything building up and they are older than most of the plants I've seen pic's of that are all frosty already.

I'm just worried that these bag seeds (which smoked great) are bad and I won't get any pain relief from them. I also don't see the "golden threads" I see all over the other ones as well. I'll wait until they are ready to harvest (obviously, Since I've grown them since 1/1/16) to see, but I guess regardless of how much I say I'm not going to worry, I am worried. I guess I am asking questions (thanks Dennise for the push that got me going, I needed it! (I really did need it Dennise, Thanks!) because I am worried. Look at Radogasts that are 10 days younger and the difference is huge! I wouldn't be worried if I was even starting to see anything on them, but I don't.
Has this ever happened to you guys? Are there bad batches of weed? The seeds came out of different bags that worked great for my pain at the time. Sorry if I sound concerned, I'm not panicky or frantic. Just plain old worried about this endeavor and not reaching my goal. Anyone have any thoughts? Sorry for sounding pissey, I guess I'm just really worried after seeing all the pic's on my journal, and other journals that show frosty younger plants. Well that's all my questions.

 

[Jonwayne]

I tried a few of those myths my lasy grow and was able to put a few to bed for myself atleast anyways like with flushing my last grow, flushed one, not the other. No noticeable difference in product. Washing buds after cutting them, same thing, washed half and not the other half. Big difference in the end result there, I'll wash every plant I harvest from here on out. I'll do the same with molasses this grow, since I'm flowering the same strain. Should be able to tell a difference if there is one. I'll document it all in my journal and let you guys know how it turns out. I try not to knock anything untill I try it ya know. What better way than a side by side test to see what exactly molasses does for soil grows on chemical nutes.
It's nice that you can actually have a debate here without anyone getting butt hurt lol I've seen alot of all out brawls on forums just from people having slightly different opinions. And the end of the day, I think everyone is just trying to better there self and or grow. And that's the way it should be, stoners don't argue, don't have energy too haha how is those girls doin today smoke?

 

[Smokeater]

I tried a few of those myths my lasy grow and was able to put a few to bed for myself atleast anyways like with flushing my last grow, flushed one, not the other. No noticeable difference in product. Washing buds after cutting them, same thing, washed half and not the other half. Big difference in the end result there, I'll wash every plant I harvest from here on out. I'll do the same with molasses this grow, since I'm flowering the same strain. Should be able to tell a difference if there is one. I'll document it all in my journal and let you guys know how it turns out. I try not to knock anything untill I try it ya know. What better way than a side by side test to see what exactly molasses does for soil grows on chemical nutes.
It's nice that you can actually have a debate here without anyone getting butt hurt lol I've seen alot of all out brawls on forums just from people having slightly different opinions. And the end of the day, I think everyone is just trying to better there self and or grow. And that's the way it should be, stoners don't argue, don't have energy too haha how is those girls doin today smoke?

I take it you didn't read my post just before yours? It looks like my first 2 girls are a flop.

 

[Jonwayne]

I just went back in my journal smoke and my first plant didn have any reall tricomes untill the end of week 5 in flower, and the other didn't have any untill week 6-7. So your @ around week 4 now, I wouldn worry to much with it just yet bud. I'd about bet you those suckered will start piling on the in the next few weeks. I had one little plant that was straight covered in them, some of the best smoke I've grown too. But the late bloomer I spoke about here that didn have any untill the last 3 weeks of her life. It never did produce a whole lot of them even when harvested, not near as much as the small one anyways. But she was still some dang good smoke though. I was constantly worried something was wrong with mine to the first time, they were always smaller, less smelly and behind everyone elses. It all turned out ok in the end though. And I made alot more mistakes, and didn have no were near the Guidnce you have here. I'm almost confident that your plant won't disipoint you. There is no reason it should, she is a happy healthy girl.

 

[Radogast]

I guess what i was trying to show you with the picture, Smokeater. Is that I had no trichomes 2 days ago, and today they are there.

My girls have been ripening faster this winter than ever before, up to 15 days faster than their mothers. I'm not sure why, but a change in light schedule, replacing a bulb with a new one of slightly different spectrum, more experience tuning the temperature and humidity (3 years growing in the same room), more active soil (18 months building up the microbe community via multiple grows in the same pot), and most likely being sprayed evey 3 days because I have a spider mite problem (controlled but not eiminated.) - So anyway my girls are ripening fast right now.

My first grow was not very sticky or smelly, but I and others got so high off a normal amount that we imagined cones of multicolored lights coming out of our ears while wearing a collar of color. There were also sounds. These plants surprise you.


Don't expect to drop ALL your opiods right away, let the decrease happen gradually as you no longer need it - you know you have to ease your way slowly off those pain killers anyway - so you know to work your way slowly down to half dosages. Then stretch out your time from a regular schedule (every 4 hours) to a more relaxed (as needed, at least 4 hours since last use.) - Something like that.

The THC has to do some healing of what is painful allongside reducing the physical pain and reducing the mental attachment to pain of opiods. Progress may be measured in weeks and months - just like a grow. I still believe it's a miracle.

The buds you grow will be the buds your body needs. I'm willing to bet that what you have growing now is better than anything I purchased in the 80s !

Trust the healing spirits of cannabis - I do !

 

[Smokeater]

I just went back in my journal smoke and my first plant didn have any reall tricomes untill the end of week 5 in flower, and the other didn't have any untill week 6-7. So your @ around week 4 now, I wouldn worry to much with it just yet bud. I'd about bet you those suckered will start piling on the in the next few weeks. I had one little plant that was straight covered in them, some of the best smoke I've grown too. But the late bloomer I spoke about here that didn have any untill the last 3 weeks of her life. It never did produce a whole lot of them even when harvested, not near as much as the small one anyways. But she was still some dang good smoke though. I was constantly worried something was wrong with mine to the first time, they were always smaller, less smelly and behind everyone elses. It all turned out ok in the end though. And I made alot more mistakes, and didn have no were near the Guidnce you have here. I'm almost confident that your plant won't disipoint you. There is no reason it should, she is a happy healthy girl.

I'm starting week 6 (started flowering on 2/16 and it's 3/23) and you said your little one was covered in them, Mine have nothing on them (neither of the first 2 plants). I don't have high hopes for them anymore. They don't have a single drop of trichomes on them anywhere.

 

[Radogast]

I take it you didn't read my post just before yours? It looks like my first 2 girls are a flop.

They are not a flop. They are good girls. Really.

 

[Jonwayne]

It popped up just after I sent it actually, this dang phone blows. I need a new labtop. Did you see where my last girls didnt have trics untill weeks 5 and 6 into flower. And yours are just @ 6 now I see. I wouldn give up on them yet, they have to be better than some of the weed I've seen come up from Mexico. Lol I can't wait to see them in 3 more weeks. Trust me when I say I put one plant through hell and back and it still produced. It might just take your plants a little longer, no two are the same. And you still have a ways to go yet. It's really hard to compare anyone's plants here because there are so many variables that make a difference.

 

[Smokeater]

It popped up just after I sent it actually, this dang phone blows. I need a new labtop. Did you see where my last girls didnt have trics untill weeks 5 and 6 into flower. And yours are just @ 6 now I see. I wouldn give up on them yet, they have to be better than some of the weed I've seen come up from Mexico. Lol I can't wait to see them in 3 more weeks. Trust me when I say I put one plant through hell and back and it still produced. It might just take your plants a little longer, no two are the same. And you still have a ways to go yet. It's really hard to compare anyone's plants here because there are so many variables that make a difference.

Sorry, I misread your post. I am just worried I'm not going to get any relief from them. I hope and pray they start building up. Just worried they aren't going to help me meet my goal with getting rid of my narcs. I guess I'm just a little depressed about it. I shouldn't be I know, But I just keep seeing pics of young frosty plants and can't help but wonder why.