My First Time Growing

That's a pure landrace strain so try your very best mojo on that one.... Long story but I grew a mother plant of it for a friend to clone from for a full grow and what an amazing plant she was... I veg'd her for about 6 weeks and she was absolutely huge and he ended up with a grow of well over 50 plants before he got busted ...:straightface:... That would be the long story part but I did get a sample of her before things turned bad and it was absolutely positively most excellent smoke that will lock you to the couch and throw away the key...:straightface: I love it...:;):.....:circle-of-love:
 
JimmieJ said:
Do you have, or can you get any bag seed that you can experiment with? And I think there was a point in your journal where PeeJay walked you through seeds, does that ring a bell? Maybe look back and see exactly what you did before, compared to now, something might jump out at you. Sorry, that's all I have. :thumb: :goodluck:
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Awesome advice... See if you can find someone you used to get your seedy smoke from and ask them if they would gather up some seeds for you to experiment with... Just tell him you know someone in another state that is wanting to try a grow and he asked you if you knew anyone you could get some bag seeds from.... that way it is not exactly a lie just kinda messing up all the facts cause you do know someone in another state wanting to try and grow you just didn't mention the beans ain't for them...:)... :passitleft: High Jimmie... I've been trying to get by your place and I will make it there eventually... Seems as though every time I head there... oh something shiney...:biglaugh::biglaugh:.:circle-of-love:
 
Dennise said:
Awesome advice... See if you can find someone you used to get your seedy smoke from and ask them if they would gather up some seeds for you to experiment with... Just tell him you know someone in another state that is wanting to try a grow and he asked you if you knew anyone you could get some bag seeds from.... that way it is not exactly a lie just kinda messing up all the facts cause you do know someone in another state wanting to try and grow you just didn't mention the beans ain't for them...:)... :passitleft: High Jimmie... I've been trying to get by your place and I will make it there eventually... Seems as though every time I head there... oh something shiney...:biglaugh::biglaugh:.:circle-of-love:
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Dennise, I would rather not ask my seed fairy for seeds because I have asked to much of him/her already. I think I'm going to keep saving money and buy some more seeds. It may take awhile, but I'll get there.
 
Smokeater said:
Dennise, I would rather not ask my seed fairy for seeds because I have asked to much of him/her already. I think I'm going to keep saving money and buy some more seeds. It may take awhile, but I'll get there.
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On second thought, Since I can't afford beans it for a while, I may have to quit growing to buy more.
 
Sorry about the post last night, I was thinking about what I'm going to do when I run out of seeds and the depression didn't help it seems. I'm going to keep growing until I run out of seeds, but after that...... who knows, maybe I'll hit the lottery and have money to buy seeds. If anyone sees a flaw in my germination please let me know.

1. Fill small container with water that's has sat out all night

2. Drop seed in water until it cracks and then move to the next level and let it sit just overnight (more if it doesn't have a taproot right away) in between wet paper towels. I check it in the mornings and for a few days until they grow the taproot yet. This is where the problem starts.

*. The last 8 or 9 seeds either didn't crack or it cracks and white stuff oozes out of the edges and it's real soft. I tried planting 2 of them and nothing happened.

3. If they cracked, I place them between 2 moist paper towels until I get a tap root. This part always works, It's not getting the tap root to grow.


If anyone has any ideas, I'm open for suggestions or that I'm forgetting a step. I have 5 plants only now because I can't get the seeds to crack.
 
Smokeater said:
Sorry about the post last night, I was thinking about what I'm going to do when I run out of seeds and the depression didn't help it seems. I'm going to keep growing until I run out of seeds, but after that...... who knows, maybe I'll hit the lottery and have money. If anyone sees a flaw in my germination please let me know.

1. Fill small container with water that's has sat out all night
2. Drop seed in water until it cracks and then move to the next level and let it sit just overnight (more if it didn't crack) in between wet paper towels. I check it in the morning and for a few days to see if they grew the taproot yet. This is where the problem is, This is where the problem starts.
3. The last 8 or 9 seeds either didn't crack or it cracks and white stuff oozes out of the edges and it's real soft. I tried planting 2 and nothing happened.
3. If they cracked, I place them between 2 moist paper towels until I get a tap root. This part always works, It's getting the tap root to grow.

If anyone has any ideas, I'm open for suggestions or that I'm forgetting a step. I have 5 plants only now because I can't get the seeds to crack.
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Get some cloning going Smokey. That way you will at least have plants going in a perpetual and not run out. As long as you keep clones going, you won't need the seeds right away.
I'm considering helping you get a female to turn hermie, so you will have some seeds to fall back on. Let me think on that a bit. I might have someone pop in here to help you on that, because the way I did it was with colloidal silver the first time, and that means expense out for you. Now I do all my homegrown seeds with pollen from males.
Let me think on who has done this many times without the colloidal silver and I will see if they can help.

What have you got growing right now, (strains) flowering or vegging. Both. That will help to decide what to do here.
Making seeds is truly fun. A very gratifying experience, and saves you money!

I don't see anything wrong with your method. Where are you storing your seeds? They need to be in a dry environment, no where that they are exposed to high humidity. I'm sure you have them in a cool dry area, but I have to ask just in case.

My issue here is a very low stock of Indica strains. I have a lot of indica/sativa mix, but nothing to spare on pure strains anymore.
I've been sativa heavy since I started growing. LOL

I'll get back in touch when I have thought over the female to hermie possibilities.

If anyone else here knows someone really knowledgeable and practiced on hermieing plants to create feminised seeds, please pop in by all means! We need to do this without affecting the other girls in flower, as his space is very limited.
 
I'm just throwing a thought out here, some people stress their plants in hermie by upsetting the light cycle. Wondering if we took one of your flowering girls out of the tent a few times, exposing it to light for the night a few times, (basically confusing her with a 24 hours light cycle a few times) if that will work for ya.
I'll ask around on that too. :)
 
Damn internet connection today is peeving me off royally. I have to type this all over again.

So, you did try Peejay's method of 24 hour soak and then directly into seedling soil, moist but not muddy wet and using the depth he reccommended, right?
Seedling soil, not big girl soil. Big girl soil mix is too hot for sprouts/seeds.

I'm sure you did, but I have to ask.
 
Cannafan said:
I'm just throwing a thought out here, some people stress their plants in hermie by upsetting the light cycle. Wondering if we took one of your flowering girls out of the tent a few times, exposing it to light for the night a few times, (basically confusing her with a 24 hours light cycle a few times) if that will work for ya.
I'll ask around on that too. :)
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Thanks Canna. The problem with that is I haven't had any new ones sprout. I can change the light cycle on the current ones but I don't know how that will get me seeds. Or do you mean cloning from now on (just occurred to me)? Another question that I never thought of and wasn't doing for quite a while putting should holes be in the bottom of the solo cup? I just realized that the same time I started having problems was around when I started putting holes in the solo cups.
 
Smokeater said:
Thanks Canna. The problem with that is I haven't had any new ones sprout. I can change the light cycle on the current ones but I don't know how that will get me seeds. Or do you mean cloning from now on (just occurred to me)? Another question that I never thought of and wasn't doing for quite a while putting should holes be in the bottom of the solo cup? I just realized that the same time I started having problems was around when I started putting holes in the solo cups.
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Holes need to be in the bottom of the solo cups for drainage. Not big holes, just a few to allow drainage. I really can't see any reason the holes would cause the issues you are having.

Yes, I do mean cloning from now on. I addition to trying to make a hermie to get some seeds from. You don't have to change light cycles on your plants in flower.

And you can clone a plant that is flowering. I have done it with success and many others have. When it roots and you plant it, it will go into a reveg state with weird leaves before it straightens out after time and starts growing in a normal veg state appearance.

I'm going to try to make this a bit simple for ya. Because you are new to all of this.

We just need to pull one girl out of flower a few times here and there, and put her in 24 hour lighting, or at least 18 hours like the veggie girls. The goal being to stress her into confusion and have her start growing balls. The end result will be feminised seeds. This is why we have to shut out all light leaks for dark time on flowering plants. Light leaks confuse the plants and hermies result. It's stress and confusion.

If you force a hermie by stressing it, it's not genetics that caused it and you will have feminised seeds as a result that shouldn't hermie when you grow them. (there are debates on that, so I will say that with caution that there is a possibility they will grow up hermie. I've not found that to be true in the ones I made) Regardless of that, we want you to have a crap load of seeds so you can get your germination process down and perfected.

Does all of that make sense?

Don't do anything just yet, I have a question out to people. There may alternatives or someone with much experience with this to help. :)
 
If you have a small branch, that has a small flower on it..probably toward the bottoms of the flowering girls, you can cut it just like you would cut a clone off a girl in veg. Try to pick one that looks youngish, then start the rooting process on it. It will take longer to root than one from a veg plant, in my experience, so don't give up on it.

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Oh, and when you have time, please let us know what you have right now in flower and in the veg tent. My internet is bad today, so going back to see is going to be a challenge here.

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kelticBlue said:
Hi. Just a passing thought about getting a girl to hermie. Would not it need to be young enough to produce pollen and or seed? Before it got too old to produce mature viable seeds? Just thinking out loud.
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Yes and no, KelticBlue. This is why I'm asking what he has in flower right now. How old they are. Now, if we can let one go way past harvest time, it should stress the girl into self pollinating by creating "nanners". This is the plants self survival method if no male pollinated her. That's also an option, but first I need to see what he has going and how far along they are.
The whole idea here is get him some seeds to play with, that didn't cost any money. Later on down the road as he saves his money, he can get good solid genetics for seeds.

:)

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Feel free to pop in with yey or nay thoughts everybody.

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Smokeater said:
OK, in flower I have a female New York Power Diesel, A clone of the DCSSH, a Nirvana Black Jack reg, and the one I forgot to label.
In veg, all I have is 2 plants, they are a WW x MK reg and a Black Jack regular.
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Hmm..the one you forgot to label sounds like a candidate. How far into flower are these girls? How long since you flipped to 12/12?

You can clone from the BLack Jack and the WW x MK, but we don't know yet if they are female. We can force them to show sex by changing the veg tent light schedule to 12/12 for awhile until you see female or male sex signs.

How long have they both been in veg? They are fairly mature, not seedlings?

What do you think of forcing sex to see what you have there? They can be put back on veg timing after they show.
 
Keltic, let me clarify my "yes and no" answer. LOL

There is an optimal time frame during a plants flowering time to pollinate so the seeds develop and form timely. I believe it's somewhere in the range of 25 to 40 days into full flower. It varies with growers, but that's fairly general.

Now if you make the female wait until that flowering is past done, then she will go into survival mode by creating her own pollen via making "nanners". If you collect the nanners before they open, you can save them and use the pollen inside for cross pollination later, but we want the nanners to open and release it on her buds.

That process, as opposed to stressing one now into hermie, will take much longer.

Hope that clarified. :laugh:

Aren't these plants amazing?

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Cannafan said:
Hmm..the one you forgot to label sounds like a candidate. How far into flower are these girls? How long since you flipped to 12/12?

You can clone from the BLack Jack and the WW x MK, but we don't know yet if they are female. We can force them to show sex by changing the veg tent light schedule to 12/12 for awhile until you see female or male sex signs.

How long have they both been in veg? They are fairly mature, not seedlings?

What do you think of forcing sex to see what you have there? They can be put back on veg timing after they show.
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Sorry it took so long to get back to you Canna, our internet was down for awhile. The unknown one was put in the flower tent on 8-10-16. He/She has buds, but not big ones yet. The ones in veg I can't find the log sheet with their dates on it, but one is about 7 weeks and the other just got put in her 3 gallon pot a couple days ago.

Right now I can't do any cloning because of space, In the book case bottom is where I clone because it won't fit in the top and I have the 2-3 gallon plants in there and 3 seeds I'm hoping for in the top. I don't want to stop the ones I'm hoping will sprout.

As far as what you said in an earlier post about trying something with different lighting to re-veg a plant unfortunately won't work. I have no place to put it and I can't afford to buy another light. I keep telling my wife I need to save for the weed but when I ask for something she always says we don't have it now. Money is REALLY tight here. I'm not depressed today. It's just the way it is. I have never heard of forcing the sex to see it's gender, but that might be a way to go. I have 1 indica seed left (Nirvana blackjack) and about 6 sativa seeds, so testing should be done on a sativa. I don't see a down side to it but I also don't know anything about it. Is there a down side?
 
Good morning Smokey. I was going to post to you again last night about the space thing, but got ill and went to bed. Yes, you are going to need to segregate a plant to either stress or finish out if it gets nanners or balls. It sounds like the unknown is in a perfect time frame for pollination, but we have no pollen. LOL

So, if there is no possibility of finding a place for a self pollination plant...we have no choice but to move on with the cloning.

The only downside to forcing sex is that it could possibly stress the plant into turning hermie. But doing it properly by adjusting the light schedule gradually should make things happen just fine from one transition another. I've done it before, just in case you're wondering. We only want them to barely show, then they go back into veg state by slowly adjusting the light schedules again.

So, let's do that. The two vegging plants, we will force sex on. Starting tonight, adjust your lighting to stay off two hours longer. Then in a couple more nights do the same, but maybe three hours longer. The goal is gradually making the lighting 12/12

Now, on the seeds you have in the bookcase? Is that in with the veg girls where there is light etc. on them?

If so, let's get them out of there. Germing seeds do not need much light, and they might be getting too warm.
In nature, when seeds germ and sprout, it is usually spring time. The ground is cooler, not summer time warm from the sun beating on it all day.
We want to mimic nature as much as we can. Find a fairly cool place for those seed cups waiting to sprout. Room temperature and normal Room light during the day will be just fine for them, we just don't want them too warm. The bookcase might be getting too warm with the light in there. Just a precaution, and at this point every little thing we can adjust might help.

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