My First Journal: First Time LED And 3rd Grow

[GoogleGenie]

Good question. I don't actually know whether to start counting from when you first get pistils at the nodes or when you start getting them in the top bud sites. Lol. I guess if you start now it'll give you an estimate within a week.

This really is a good question. The internet is a rife with conflicting information about this.

My take on it is, that for the purist, technically, the plant is flowering when the first pistils show. However, most (if not all) nutrient companies refer to "flowering" as when the lights change to increase the darkness period. Therefore, on the bottle, "Week 6" would be 6 weeks from the flip, not 6 weeks from the first sign of pistils.

I also refer to "flowering" from the moment the light schedule changes.

Here is an example why: I use Buddhas Tree Flower Burst to help speed up flowering. The recommendation is to use this for the first 3 weeks of flower. If you feed this from when the pistils show, it defeats the object of feeding this nutrient in the first place.

 

[SmokeyB]

This really is a good question. The internet is a rife with conflicting information about this.

My take on it is, that for the purist, technically, the plant is flowering when the first pistils show. However, most (if not all) nutrient companies refer to "flowering" as when the lights change to increase the darkness period. Therefore, on the bottle, Week 6 would be 6 weeks from the flip, not 6 weeks from the first sign of pistils.

I also refer to "flowering" from the moment the light schedule changes.

Here is an example why: I use Buddhas Tree Flower Burst to help speed up flowering. The recommendation is to use this for the first 3 weeks of flower. If you feed this from when the pistils show, it defeats the object of feeding this nutrient in the first place.

So ATM I'm using big bud from advanced nutrients with sensi a and b bloom and going to try overdrive by them aswell says week 4 to week 6 on a 8 week flower I read mine wrong mine is 8 to 9 weeks flowering so do I use week 5 not 4 so I go by nutes from flip day? As week 1

 

[GoogleGenie]

Yea i would go by flip day. Switch to Overdrive 3 weeks before harvest. So for ~2 weeks before you flush. I'd use your Big Bug until then.

Advanced nutrient also refer to "flowering" as from the flip. They have a nutrient called Bug Ignitor that does the same thing as Flower Burst - same deal - feed first 2 weeks to help induce flowering faster.

 

[Bill284]

So ATM I'm using big bud from advanced nutrients with sensi a and b bloom and going to try overdrive by them aswell says week 4 to week 6 on a 8 week flower I read mine wrong mine is 8 to 9 weeks flowering so do I use week 5 not 4 so I go by nutes from flip day? As

Yea i would go by flip day. Switch to Overdrive 3 weeks before harvest. So for ~2 weeks before you flush. I'd use your Big Bug until then.

Advanced nutrient also refer to "flowering" as from the flip. They have a nutrient called Bug Ignitor that does the same thing as Flower Burst - same deal - feed first 2 weeks to help induce flowering faster.

I've tried bud ignitor, was expensive and didn't see any improvement in flowering time. Just 2 cents.

 

[GoogleGenie]

I've tried bud ignitor, was expensive and didn't see any improvement in flowering time. Just 2 cents.

I know what you mean, i had to feed it at full strength (maybe more) to see a difference. And as you say hella expensive. I use Buddhas Tree Flower Burst now and i usually get flowers within ~5days. It's way cheaper and a little goes a long way at 0.25ml/l Also, i feed it a few days before the flip too and i think that helps.

 

[Bill284]

I know what you mean, i had to feed it at full strength (maybe more) to see a difference. And as you say hella expensive. I use Buddhas Tree Flower Burst now and i usually get flowers within ~5days. It's way cheaper and a little goes a long way at 0.25ml/l Also, i feed it a few days before the flip too and i think that helps.

Thanks ill look into that.

 

[SmokeyB]

Yea i would go by flip day. Switch to Overdrive 3 weeks before harvest. So for ~2 weeks before you flush. I'd use your Big Bug until then.

Advanced nutrient also refer to "flowering" as from the flip. They have a nutrient called Bug Ignitor that does the same thing as Flower Burst - same deal - feed first 2 weeks to help induce flowering faster.

Ok nice one that sums that one up another question you probably no answer two I've read it shouldn't be used together but alot of people do have you used together or not or shall I experiment one with one without?

 

[GoogleGenie]

Ok nice one that sums that one up another question you probably no answer two I've read it shouldn't be used together but alot of people do have you used together or not or shall I experiment one with one without?

I would strongly recommend against using those boosts together, unless they are from the same manufacturer and they specifically say that you can. It can get so confusing with the seemingly infinite number of boosters and stimulants out there, but I look at it like this, especially when mixing nutrients from different brands:

Flowering​

Week 1-3 - early bloom commonly referred to as the stretch
Week 4-6 - mid bloom
Week 7-8 - late bloom
Week 9 flush

If i ever have a strain that takes longer, i usually extend the "mid bloom", until i can see that the flowers have stopped forming and ideally before they start to put weight on (late bloom).

When I encounter different boosts, I try to work out where they sit - early, mid or late bloom. And most of the time you won't use them at the same time. But when using nutrients from the same line it may differ - for example AN suggest feeding BigBud in week 2 (which overlaps AN Bud Ignitor) as well as all the way through mid bloom.

In my case i use:

Week 1-3 - Buddhas Tree Flower burst
Week 4-6 - Buddhas Tree PK918
Week 7-8 - Atami Bloombastic
Week 9 - Flush

This is just my personal preference. I'm not saying my nutes are better than yours. They just work with my setup and the way i grow

To give an example of the madness though:

Early bloom boosts
AN Bud Ignitor
AN Bud Blood
Buddhas Tree Flower burst
H&G Root Stimulator

Mid bloom boosts
Big Bud
PK 918
H&G Bud Xl
Atami Bloombastic

Late bloom boosts
Atami Bloombastic
Overdrive
GH Ripen
H&G Bud Xl

 

[SmokeyB]

I would strongly recommend against using those boosts together, unless they are from the same manufacturer and they specifically say that you can. It can get so confusing with the seemingly infinite number of boosters and stimulants out there, but I look at it like this, especially when mixing nutrients from different brands:

Flowering​

Week 1-3 - early bloom commonly referred to as the stretch
Week 4-6 - mid bloom
Week 7-8 - late bloom
Week 9 flush

If i ever have a strain that takes longer, i usually extend the "mid bloom", until i can see that the flowers have stopped forming and ideally before they start to put weight on (late bloom).

When I encounter different boosts, I try to work out where they sit - early, mid or late bloom. And most of the time you won't use them at the same time. But when using nutrients from the same line it may differ - for example AN suggest feeding BigBud in week 2 (which overlaps AN Bud Ignitor) as well as all the way through mid bloom.

In my case i use:

Week 1-3 - Buddhas Tree Flower burst
Week 4-6 - Buddhas Tree PK918
Week 7-8 - Atami Bloombastic
Week 9 - Flush

This is just my personal preference. I'm not saying my nutes are better than yours. They just work with my setup and the way i grow

To give an example of the madness though:

Early bloom boosts
AN Bud Ignitor
AN Bud Blood
Buddhas Tree Flower burst
H&G Root Stimulator

Mid bloom boosts
Big Bud
PK 918
H&G Bud Xl
Atami Bloombastic

Late bloom boosts
Atami Bloombastic
Overdrive
GH Ripen
H&G Bud Xl

Nice one thankyou for advise and making it all clear to understand going to have a look at an bud blood and an bud ignitor that's the only nutes I've used so far will be experimenting with different nutes when I'm bit better at growing still getting hang off it all and trying to get temps rite humidity and stuff

 

[GoogleGenie]

Nice one thankyou for advise and making it all clear to understand going to have a look at an bud blood and an bud ignitor that's the only nutes I've used so far will be experimenting with different nutes when I'm bit better at growing still getting hang off it all and trying to get temps rite humidity and stuff

I don't blame you mate. It's always good to do a run with just base nutes/minimal boosts to develop a baseline, and to understand how the plant grows and flourishes etc, and also to understand if by introducing a boost the plant has benefitted and how....in reality though - this rarely happens lol.

But you have the right mindset. Keep it simple with the boosts. To master growing in your environment is probably the best thing you can do for your ladies, before you start pumping them with boosts

 

[SmokeyB]

I don't blame you mate. It's always good to do a run with just base nutes/minimal boosts to develop a baseline, and to understand how the plant grows and flourishes etc, and also to understand if by introducing a boost the plant has benefitted and how....in reality though - this rarely happens lol.

But you have the right mindset. Keep it simple with the boosts. To master growing in your environment is probably the best thing you can do for your ladies, before you start pumping them with boosts

Yeah just trying to get it without many problems ino IL run into some but if I can avoid it I want to guna try the candy next time first time using the big bud and overdrive soon my friend uses an nutes to so we share if we need to to keep cost down thankyou for all this information

 

[VetSmoke85]

I'm a fan of keeping things simple. My CBD grow wasn't as good as it could have been because I messed around with the soil. Went back to straight light mix soil and mega crop. With the baby coming along and my older son being diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes I knew I'd have less gardening time.

 

[SmokeyB]

I've heard alot about that MC nutes I will try one day but after I get the basic of growing lol need more experience

 

[VetSmoke85]

Mega Crop is one of the easiest to use. Not everyone has success with it but most do. Worth looking into.

 

[bluter]

light more than anything else triggers flower. and builds buds. i triple my lighting power from veg to flower and follow a diminishing light schedule over 6 - 8 wks. 12 / 12 - 11 / 13 - 10 /14. you need to have the ppfd to do it though.

i get pistils in 5 - 7 days under that light. under the veg light it would take 2 - 3 wks for the same development if used to flower. my veg light rig draws a true 200w and my flower rig pulls 600w. i run both between 75 - 90%.


AN is an expensive line to run. they developed a really good rep a few years back but kind of squandered it. the company has sort of broken apart internally. think the core group is now emerald harvest. i'm currently on MC.

like mentioned above by GG it's a real good idea to run a grow through on just the base nutes. it's good experience. also if the base nutes don't really get them to the finish in a decent manner, then they are probably not worth it. a nute line shouldn't really need boosters to be of value.

 

[SmokeyB]

light more than anything else triggers flower. and builds buds. i triple my lighting power from veg to flower and follow a diminishing light schedule over 6 - 8 wks. 12 / 12 - 11 / 13 - 10 /14. you need to have the ppfd to do it though.

i get pistils in 5 - 7 days under that light. under the veg light it would take 2 - 3 wks for the same development if used to flower. my veg light rig draws a true 200w and my flower rig pulls 600w. i run both between 75 - 90%.


AN is an expensive line to run. they developed a really good rep a few years back but kind of squandered it. the company has sort of broken apart internally. think the core group is now emerald harvest. i'm currently on MC.

like mentioned above by GG it's a real good idea to run a grow through on just the base nutes. it's good experience. also if the base nutes don't really get them to the finish in a decent manner, then they are probably not worth it. a nute line shouldn't really need boosters to be of value.

On my first and second grow I just used the 3 part advanced nutrients but on second I ran out and used sensi a and b bloom and worked out alot better so used that this time and big bud but am going to try overdrive to when its time to sorry wouldn't send as on way to shop

 

[SmokeyB]

This what you mean strip lower lot bro Ive taken the bottom bits also I don't no whether this is normall or not started noticing pistols starting to change to amber brown I'm not saying it ready or no where near ino to check the tricomes just confused me abit as from flip day it's 4 weeks into flower Monday coming

 

[VetSmoke85]

Yes mate. Any small weak branches that won't make it up to the light. You could go a bit more extreme with it but do whatever you're comfortable with. As for the pistils I'm fairly sure that's nothing to worry about but someone else might jump in. As long as they're not all turning and she's still pumping out fresh ones.

 

[SmokeyB]

Yes mate. Any small weak branches that won't make it up to the light. You could go a bit more extreme with it but do whatever you're comfortable with. As for the pistils I'm fairly sure that's nothing to worry about but someone else might jump in. As long as they're not all turning and she's still pumping out fresh ones.

Ok I've only got hour before lights out so when I go back up when back on I take abit more of just nervous that IL take some good bits off :/ because I do want some little buds to make THC vape or something just want to experiment abit with what I can do with trim and little bits and yeah it seems to be just happening on a few but that one I pictured was the most turnt can't se other ones unless your really close and my camera is rubbish on phone just fort it's bit early for them to start changing my humidity at 31 light on and 38 lights out temps 28c lights on 24c off could that be anything to do with it??

 

[GoogleGenie]

I agree with Vet. The plant will be directing precious energy to those lower flowers away from the top. Those lower flowers will struggle to mature without direct light.

That being said, for experimental/education purposes I'd leave it. If you leave it you can see the difference in how buds at the top near the light, and those near the bottom grow and mature. Next grow you will have the experience to make a different call if you see fit

Re: the pistils. I wouldn't worry or make any adjustments at this point. Keep an eye on it.

Out of curiosity, how close is that bud with the orange pistils to the light?
And is it happening to others?
Do you find that the flowers closer to the light have produced more orange pistils to those further away?