My 2nd 1st Attempt - Bubble Bucket Grow

Ya I mistyped that its 5ml per gallon on the calmag. I added the calmag because I looked at the chart post in problems and its pretty easy to see the little spots on leaves that where everywhere I took those leaves off but more formed so per the chart its calmag. Thanks for diagnosing the Phos def I upped the 3part this week to 2/3 max recommended I was thinking I was to lite on all the 3 main nuts after I did a transplant of the tall 1 and damaged half the root system so I went super lite on the nuts I was also trying to slow it down by underfeeding as its way bigger than the other 2 even after LST of every branch and topping (missed the FIM). SO I basically screwed that plant up but I hope it can recover as the nuts are now were they should be 1100 PPM -350ppm I saw in the water this time so 750PPM? Is that right.. can I subtract the water to get my real PPM? or is the water part of the total? Anyway last week I was running over 700PPM and the plant is dying what is PHOS def so.... it must need more. Well I like what you said GREENTHUMB J but I am poor. when these nuts run dry I will absolutely move to the GH hardwater mix I never knew... THANKS SO MUCH!! I used GH 3 part before but never saw the hardwater blend cant wait to use up what I got. I order everything off of ebay and I guess missed the hardwater GH stuff I am also gona switch to that vegan GH stuff instead of using GH PH down (at least when my acid runs out which wont be long). Hopefully I'll see by tomorrow whether I burned the big 1. The roots look good other than some residual AN ancient earth that didn't rinse out I felt the roots they are crisp and covered in nice side branching no slim maybe I did more damage to the roots than I thought when I transplanted at 2 weeks and basically washed all the dirt out and placed the roots into the hydroton. Don't know but if they burn tonight when the lights are off I can add water to the mix and cross my fingers. I had a nutrient schedule but fell off of it when 1 plant didn't grow and basically stunted at the first set so I started going to weak. I can see now that was a big mistake. Now I am back on schedule minus the AN ancient earth + the calmag. I think I'll wait until Monday if the nuts hold out in bucket#2 then deciede what level of nuts I can get away with as a balance between the fat short bagseed and the stunted LSD. I'll post a few later. Thanks again greenthumb J lots of food for thought.
 
heres a few I can tell bucket#1 wont make it past today i'll be doing nuts after this at 1/2 of recommended rates on everything except rapid start and an ancient earth (eating diner and typing.. multitasker)
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Well almost the end of the day and no burn for a little over 24 hours at new nutrient strength. Actually everything is starting to get green again and the signs of deficiencies has stopped. roots look 99% cleaned of the AN ancient earth now and the water got a little cloud to it. I'm guessing that's the rest of the ancient earth rinsing out of the roots. The PH climbed to 6.5 tonight and the water got low. Whats that mean again when they drink a lot of water and the ph goes up? Anyway I added some PH down and got it to ph 5.7 on each bucket. Maybe a tad on the low side but if its going up again at least it will take more time. I'll see tomorrow and add some pics then.
 
IF the water level goes down, add some more PH balanced water to the reservoir. Once you have added in the starting amount of water, its time to change nutrient solution. This is a cost effective way to ensure that your plant uses up everything in the nutrient mix. For me i just drain it after 7 days regardless. Not very cost effective, but it ensure that my plants always have fresh nutrients to feed on, have had only one deficiency and it was a Calcium deficiency cause i forgot to add in Cal/mag on a res change, then forgot to change it after 7 days.. let it run 12 days and say rust spots everywhere.

I dont add water to my res, If its low, i change it. If it needs to be changed sooner than the 7 days, i know that my plant is healthily taking up water and nutrients at a rapid rate. It will show in the growth of the plant. If your plant isn't drinking water and isn't growing very well, its experiencing a nutrient lockout. If you water goes down and your PH rises, check your PPM, and if it goes down, then your plants are feeding normally
 
Thanks I'll check the PPM tomorrow when the lights get back on. Hopefully the 1/3 gallon of water it sucked down in 24 hours is a good thing. So far it looks like its recovering and the other bucket is starting to grow nicely. I'd love start blooming in 2 weeks or 3 just want to let the LSD get large enough to justify the price. Ya I do the 7 day cycle as well green and now it looks like i'll be adding water in a day or 2 more at most. Unless I run into more problems I think these babies will finally fill out in the next few weeks.
 
how much did you pay for the seed? i'm guessing you bought one? I can find one feminized LSD from Barney's farm for $12 canadian. Compare that to my feminized Girl Scout Cookies that i paid $23 a seed for.
 
Week 4 Day 5 (week2 day 5 LSD)Thanks greenthumb j for all the help you and smokey both pretty much only ones here so thanks to both you guys. I know everyone can always learn something but you can teach what you know, and I think I am back on track with these babies. Got the PPM reading a few minutes ago bucket #1 is at 1100 and bucket#2 is 900. I know that's high but I'll show the picks its been almost 48 hours at this dosage and all is fine weird but some plants just like it hot I guess. In the pictures you will see they tall1 in bucket#1 is taking on a better color now I trimmed off the dead leaves and adjusted the LST to keep it down more ( I will not let this plant get taller!!). Bucket#2 is green no burnes on any growth except what was there previously and the tiny mutated LSD does have 3 tops with no trimming of fimming and I feel once it stretches alittle bit it will grow fast its is handling these high PPMs with no signs of burn just shiny green (romain lettuce) leaves. Anyway thanks for the advice seems that I got it going now and just waiting till next week to change the water so the last bit of residual AN ancient earth will be out of the water.
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No probs at all hydrofun it's all a learning experience and I guess we all have to find our own way on how to do things and just share our experiences and learn from our mistakes which even the best growers have! Glad you have nice new growth which is a good sign and things are picking up for you! Good job :)
 
I hope that LSD catches up or its going to be in some serious trouble once it no longer receives any light cause its being shadowed!

I just noticed your CLW LED.. how are you liking it? They seem so damn expensive whereas you can get a MARS II that uses 5w diodes as well.

The solarstorm 880 looks like a monster.. a 20lb LED fixture thats like $2100.. and no documented grows with them, so they make me even more nervous that they are any good!
 
Thanks smokey. You think I can flip it in 3weeks and that's not to long? I can't wait to get another 2 inches on the bottom set then I can remove the damn twisty ties and just put them through the hooks. At that point they can all go straight up and try to match the other tops. Not sure if I can do it but I got this thing all LSTed like mad so its either going to be a jungle or 1 perfect hedge bush. I don't think I can veg anymore than 3 weeks I just want to let the LSD put some nodes on its 3 tops. if I can get 4 nodes on each that'll do for this run. Next run I can try my LSD, white widow and northern lights auto all fems. Hopefully the next LSD wont be a mutant. Out of 4 barneys farms seeds all LSD 1 was great, girlfriend freaked out and killed it, 1 died at the seed pod stage, this 1 is mutated, and the last 1??? will see.
 
No she killed my 7 week old LSD plant goto my profile I have a failed grow with a 12" tall LSD fat and topped. I had it 1 week into flower it was already growing white hairs on the tops and she got the stupids and killed it off. ya that grow had no problems it was growing perfect.
 
Ya Greenthumb I do like that CWL they do cost a lot but I bid it on ebay for $245, so not to bad. same with kessilH350 ebay for $249. Basically people say I have low watts aand I do. I got the H380 on the way that will raise my total true led watts to @270 a Mars 400 has actual watts of what? @275 so not much difference in watts and I have 2 much higher quality led lights. The big plus is everyone always says get small powerful LEDs and spread them out for 3rd light effects (overlap). Well I can slowly keep building my small modular lights in 4 weeks I'll have the same watts as a MARs 400 but with a more optional light foot print. IF these lights work out I will end up adding 2 more kessils then do 4 buckets with a kessil for each and place the CLW in the middle to boost bloom. That's my plan at least. I don't think I'll ever get a huge light. I prefer the porche of lights (small and powerful). These other growers can pull a Mars 1200 (charger/mustang) or whatever is the large 1 but look at the difference between advertised watts and actual draw they lose what? From 400 to 275 that like 40% loss in actual watts. My lights are advertised at 92W and 110W respectively and draw 84w and 92W, That seems to me to be a better conversion of watts used to advertised watts. Mine cost more if you pay full price but they simply draw closer than most other LED lights and once again no1 can compete with small modular design I can move them anyway I want and the heat is tiny. I use a tower fan that's it and I live in an area that has temps of 98 all summer and It don't get cold until December and by cold I mean 55 or so. I am really hoping this works out I have seen a few guys around on some forums (not here) that use these lights very well. Do I want more than a gram per watt? Yes I would love to blow this out and get a half pound off of 3 little plants LOL. realistically I will have real 270watts of power not advertised. So if I can get 270 grams that would be fantasy land for me. I'm just hoping I don't end up with 1 ounce that would suxxors.
 
I can say right now that a 400w MARS II will outperform both of your LED's combined.

The total watts drawn compared to the "advertised" wattage is not comparable.

The LED uses an certain amount of power to illuminate each LED diode. The amount of diodes there are in the panel are multiplied by the wattage of the diodes used, giving you the rated output in watts. This number is comparable to the equivalent in HID lighting. This is why its always higher than the actual power draw. So for example (according to LED sales and tech reps) a 600w LED would be equivalent to a 600w HPS, just use a fraction of the energy to produce the same wattage output.

The difference is in lumens. My 400w HPS in my grow box puts out 50,000 lumens, yet a MARS II 700w LED only puts out 18,900 lumens. Growing results depend on lumens of LED panel (stated by TopLed), My 600w HPS in my 8x8 tent puts out around 90,000 lumens.

Problem is lumens is used to gauge how bright a light is to humans, not plants. That would be PAR value. I am having troubles finding PAR values on many HID lights, as well a written values in the descriptions of the LED's. SO i might have to continue this reply after a bit of digging!

If you want a good harvest everytime tho, grab yourself an HID set up. (600w is the best) You wont regret it thats for sure, and you wont have to constantly add lights just to get a decent yield from your crop! Problem will be all the damn buds you will have to trim!
 
Ya I have to disagree respectfully. No offense you are much more experienced grower but lumens don't mean shit to plants. Read about PAR. PAR is what plants care about lumens is for your eyes to see. You read up on PAR my argument will make perfect sense. that's why mars2 at 400 pumps out 275W but they really only care about PAR, Compare PAR on my lights to the MARS. Then you can see there is no real difference at all but he proof will be.. WHat can I get from 3 small lights that are almost equal in true watts to a mars2 400. If I get the same or really close that should end the argument of all the forums on lumens vs PAR
 
Thanks for correcting me peytonmanning. I thought it was more. So if Mars400 puts out 175watts of light why would that be better than my 2 smaller lights that put out a 176 watts of light? I would think its the same correct? I just have smaller more modular lights that everyone says (not my lights particularly) it is better to have (smaller). Although I cannot compete with the MArs2 400 on price which is the best price ever on LEDs. I almost bought 1 myself then I saw the draw and figure why by a light that draws such low watts but advertised with this 400 number if its equivalent to hps 400watts then wouldn't that make my 176watts also equal a 400watt hps?
 
hydrofun said:
Thanks for correcting me peytonmanning. I thought it was more. So if Mars400 puts out 175watts of light why would that be better than my 2 smaller lights that put out a 176 watts of light? I would think its the same correct? I just have smaller more modular lights that everyone says (not my lights particularly) it is better to have (smaller). Although I cannot compete with the MArs2 400 on price which is the best price ever on LEDs. I almost bought 1 myself then I saw the draw and figure why by a light that draws such low watts but advertised with this 400 number if its equivalent to hps 400watts then wouldn't that make my 176watts also equal a 400watt hps?
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It's all about par, spectrum, and penetration. I'm not sure what other lights you're using, but my 250 watts of CFL don't come close to my mars II 400, even if it is more watts
 
I see which lights you have now. I'm guessing it's mostly penetration. Those 5 watt diodes do a good job of getting deep into the canopy, where as two separate but weaker lights probably won't get deep, but will give about the same coverage. Just taking a wild guess here. Hosebomber would know best answer
 
Thanks I figured its the same both mars and CLW both use 5watt diodes except supposedly mine are American made and mars are cheapo Chinese made that should be another reason mine penetrate better as they already are using higher quality drivers and fans in mine. The kessil well it penetrates way deeper than the CLW its just only a circle of light which fortunately covers the exact size of a bubble bucket 5 gallon. I guess I am confused I can't find any way a that 175 watts with less than high quality diodes drivers and fans is better than the equal watts (176) of higher quality diodes drivers and fans. Can anyone explain all power being equal 1 is better? It don't make sense energy is energy if there equal there equal its not magic is it?
 
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