Musiks' first grow/ bagseed 2009

SouthernOnt, Siscokid, Chameleon1,

Thanks for dropping in. Im having a blast. Just so you know next time you check it out, I adjusted the ph and all it took was 1ml of PH down in each reservoir to bring the ph down to about 6.0, im good with that, i'll be watching the ph over the next few days. In fact the Sativa one bent over at the top right after the insert of the PH down, i figure she got drunk, i'll watch her I think she'll adjust and straighten out. I'll put up a pic later! Peace out!!!

:thankyou::grinjoint:RoorRip:bong::rollit::peace:

Musik \\\vVv///
 
So on the 9th I had taken some photos, figuring out this camera and all. So here is a bit to my method of adjusting the adding nutes then adjusting PH.

First off check the PH. 7.5-8.0 WOW up there, and it needs to come down.
So lets mix up some nutes.
I check the PH of the distilled water. and its at 6.0.
So I've been thinking about this superthrive. The bottle says 1ml to a gallon for healthy activity. So 1ml went into the gallon to start. Then the FloraMicro says that at vegetative stage 2 teaspoons or 10ml to a gallon. So 10ml went into the gallon. The FloraGro says 3 teaspoons to a gallon. So 15ml went into that gallon.
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if you look into the center you see that syphon, that is my ml measurement, 10ml pretty much means 10 squirts from that syphon. The PH of the Solution was around 5.0.
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This is the Gallon of nutes. 1/4 gallon in each reservoir at the time of making and i put the rest into each reservoir at the time of this posting.
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Little Sativa before the addition of nutes.
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After the addition of nutes, like I mean within 2 minutes she drooped down. She needs AA. I will support her through these trying times. LOL

After about an hour I came back into my room to check the PH it lowered but not by much. So I added 1ml to each reservoir and the PH dropped to 6.0. I was happy with that, thought it would be cool to let the ladies adjust to that. After a couple hours checked the PH again and it hadn't changed.

If anyone see's any flaws in my method please alert me, everything seems to be going fine so far.

Musik \\\vVv///
 
So I wake up the 10th, and decide to post some pictures. I go to my room, open up my closet, check the temp and humidity. I kneel down next to the reservoirs. I take a deep breath as the plant/earthy smell has kinda taken over my room now. I take a good look at the plants noticing any new nute burn spots, or color changes. So far everything is looking fine except my Sativa plant is in need of some help standing up cause it looks like she's drunk. I begin to check on the roots make sure everything is going fine by slowly lifting up the buckets, straight up. This is important to me because some roots have decided to come out of the sides of the buckets and i've already chopped off one root.
But when I get to my upper right-right reservoir pot I slowly lift up the pot, the roots look good at frist site, then bam!!!!!! right at the bottom part of the net pot i notice all the roots are really thin and look battered. I was like What!?, I didn't know what to think so i lifted it up and I was looking for fish or frog, then I notice that a few pieces of Hydroton have come loose from the nets(small pieces) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. They were being swirled around from the current that was being developed by the bubblestones, cause and effect were making the hydroton to beat up the roots as they swam around. Wow, I would have never thought of that one. Well I did notice that there were some new roots on their way out, Im sure that plant is going to go into shock, but I'm thinking, "people cut off branches and turn those branches into new plants.....if im nice and give this plant some care it should make it" Right??? I think the hydroton were caught behind that one bucket because the other roots were fine.
I'm still waiting for one plant in that DWC reservoir to push its roots out. I moved the rockwool cube down further in that one, i musta placed it kinda high when i initially set it in the net pot, the roots looked great and fuzzy but just hadn't grown very far from the rockwool, so i hope putting the rockwool cube closer to the bottom of the net pot will boost its growth. It is the one that grew messed up right away. If Those two do fail however the remaining two are the SSH bagseed and those are growing fantastically.
I thought i had done this for all of them but I tried to put just a layer of hydroton on the bottom then set the rockwool cube on that so that the roots had something to rest on before being dipped into water.
Out-Floating Hydroton
Out-Second Bubblestone from each reservoir. (I think that one bubblestone was really all i needed.)
IN-rest of Nutes.

Here is the damaged Roots. I found2 floating roots in the reservoir the same length as the one that still hanging.
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Musik \\\vVv///
 
Very nice Dwc set up u've got there bro, I'm planning something very similar when i'm ready to start my Hydro scrogg, +reps to u for jumping into hydro for ur first gro, bravo!
 
Thanks Pericodaking,
I am still worried about the spacing of the plants. Hopefully I can do a Scrog or Sog. Because I have different plants doing different things I'm still keeping my options open. I did however move some plants around, too many big plants on left side, thought i'd open it up a bit.
I thought i'd treat everyone to a movie. Some plants, some plastic, some artificial wind....enjoy!

Musik \\\vVv///

 
What you really have to worry about root growth, the root systems are going to get so massive they'll be sucking up water like nobody's business an u'll be topping it off daily, if not more frequently than that.
 
you can use tap bro, just let it sit out for 48 hours so the chlorine can evaporate!, always remember there is always a cheaper alternative lol. as far as the root getting tangled together I would assume that what happens to one should happen to the other mold, root rot etc,. but I wouldn't worry too much.
 
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just some stats, plants seem to be ok for the most part, are these parameters alright?
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just a horizontal view, net pots are about 5 inches deep, hydroton at least 4 inches, rockwool about 1/4 of an inch to 1/2 from bottom of net pots. Reservoirs are 11inches tall. so there is just over 6 inches of water in each reservoir. and the rockwool cubes should be just over the water.
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here are the extra bubblestones and t-valves that are no longer in the systems. I first connected the bubblestones together, then connected by t-valves to try and make more bubbles. This caused a bit of crowding in my buckets.
And what I found was that the the 5inch bubblestone by itself from the dual outlet pump was enough as long as you put it center in bucket. AFter a bit of experimenting it wasn't too hard to get the bubblestone to sit still. All I need is two more buckets another pump and some net pots and I can double the plants!!!
I think that what I need to do now is try to make it so less light gets down into the water, I may be able to slow evaporation and reduce any light that might shine on the roots as I've recently read that no light should reach the roots.

:thankyou::rollit::peace:

Musik \\\vVv///
 
It may just be the color of the photo. But it looks like you ph is testing a little bit low. High 4s low 5s. I am new to this hydro But mine is between 6.0 and 6.5. Pretty sure thats not ideal but my roots are growing like mad. Anyway your plant reacting so quick to the new nutes I would think and its only a thought that your PH is way too low and I would not think the nutes would affect the plant that quick but I could be wrong about that to. Something to think about and hopefully someone who knows a lot more than me will chime in. Good Luck...
 
Ok I'm a nut, I was looking at the t-valve box and i got this idea, I dont know why but for some reason I thought i could get a tad bit more air pressure coming out of the bubblestone.(Mind you the bubbles are coming up fine.) So this is what I saw:
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This is probably how you maximize output of airpump for one big tank.

And here is what I did:
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I hope that if either side was pumping out more air per however it measures output, that now it is equalized.

I didn't take before bubbleshots. But here are some shots afterwards. The bubbles are kinda fun to watch too. He He

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This last one is of the other reservoir. Tons of bubbles!!!!!

:popcorn::rollit::grinjoint::peace:

Musik \\\vVv///
 
Sonzor, glad your watching!!! Its hard work to do your own journal and watch others' as well. But its sooooo much fun, gotta remember to sleep once in a while, wish we were like plants and didn't have to lol.
As far as the PH thing goes, the vial was showing the PH of the nute solution, it was the same color as the 5.0 mark. My PH was reading between the 7.0 and 8.0 mark according to the bottle. So I was adding a lower nute solution to a higher nute solution and after adding the 5PH nute solution the reservoirs PH didn't really change much, although they did change. And after that I added the PH down (1 ml in each reservoir to start) and that brought the reservoirs down to 6.0. When I checked them today it was more around 6.5. Then I added the remainder of the nute solution that I had. Hoping to keep the reservoirs around 6.0.
I might have to take Pericodaking's advice and use Tap water from here on out. Meaning that right after this post I need to find a decent container to hold some water while the chlorine evaporates. 24-48 hours. Then master the Art of PH Balancing. I'll start with the empty gallon containers from the distilled water.
 
Nice setup! I've been thinking about trying this method instead of soil... You can bet I'll be following you grow! :smokin:
 
musikgenman said:
Sonzor, glad your watching!!! Its hard work to do your own journal and watch others' as well. But its sooooo much fun, gotta remember to sleep once in a while, wish we were like plants and didn't have to lol.
As far as the PH thing goes, the vial was showing the PH of the nute solution, it was the same color as the 5.0 mark. My PH was reading between the 7.0 and 8.0 mark according to the bottle. So I was adding a lower nute solution to a higher nute solution and after adding the 5PH nute solution the reservoirs PH didn't really change much, although they did change. And after that I added the PH down (1 ml in each reservoir to start) and that brought the reservoirs down to 6.0. When I checked them today it was more around 6.5. Then I added the remainder of the nute solution that I had. Hoping to keep the reservoirs around 6.0.
I might have to take Pericodaking's advice and use Tap water from here on out. Meaning that right after this post I need to find a decent container to hold some water while the chlorine evaporates. 24-48 hours. Then master the Art of PH Balancing. I'll start with the empty gallon containers from the distilled water.
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For water I have two five gallon buckets that I have air stones to bubble and get all the chlorine evaported. It seems to work very well. I always let it go at least over night. Using the air stones evaporates the chlorine faster and also and air to you water. Give it a try it works well for me.

Also I agree these journals are a lot of work. But in my opinion they are priceless for learning. There is no way I would have learned and been able to grow what I have so far without my own journal as well as keeping track of others. There is a lot of people in here that have already made the mistakes so we don't have to. Anyway great job and good luck with the rest of you grow...
 
musikgenman said:
Pericodaking,
based on the fact that i found that one net pot with roots all messed up and the other ones fine + the floating hydroton, do you think that what I think happened may be a good suspect? floating hydroton beating up roots?

:slide::cool:

Musik \\\vVv///
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honestly I'm not sure, maybe maybe not, every time I change my hydro bucket theres floating hydroton that slips through the net pots, never bothered my baby one bit. It can't hurt to eliminate that problem tho and see what happens
 
sonzor said:
For water I have two five gallon buckets that I have air stones to bubble and get all the chlorine evaported. It seems to work very well. I always let it go at least over night. Using the air stones evaporates the chlorine faster and also and air to you water. Give it a try it works well for me.

Also I agree these journals are a lot of work. But in my opinion they are priceless for learning. There is no way I would have learned and been able to grow what I have so far without my own journal as well as keeping track of others. There is a lot of people in here that have already made the mistakes so we don't have to. Anyway great job and good luck with the rest of you grow...
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that sounds like a great idea sonzor, i think i have an extra airstone laying around I can put into use. I also like the idea of using tap bc i place the 1gal jugs in the veg chamber to help raise the humidity, it works:cool:
 
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I got these extra bubblestones I'll have to try that method, i'm just gonna have to get another air pump. I have a 30 gallon reservoir that im not using. At the moment i'm using the 30 gallon reservoir to house my open tap gallons. All i know is that if I keep buying distilled water its gonna be about 13 dollars every week and a half. I was under the belief that because you had bubblestones in the water it stayed oxygenated and prevented algae buildup. Oh well!!!

Pericodaking, and Sonzor thanks for chiming in. Any and all ideas/advice are always useful. Thanks guys!

The reason I think that the hydroton is suspect is because only the first inch of the root under the net pot was damaged and two roots were floating tore off from the bottom of the net pots.
And for now 1gallon jugs going into the veg chamber!

:thankyou::popcorn::rollit::peace:

Musik \\\vVv///
 
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