Monster Profit

[Hdinkleman]

So in a soil-less medium you wanna let the medium dry out??

I'm not sure.

you need to water it every day or every two days.
set a routine and stick with it.
whatever the reccomended nutes is, use 50% or less with every watering.

make sure to follow the watering schedule
if you do this any ph issues will correct themselves.

and listen to pennywise he dont say much but what he says is right. i was doing the exact same thing with coco watering like soil and sitting the pot in runoff lol. i realized somethjng was wrong way beforehand though lol

start low and grow with the nutes. the plant aint gonna do better by just randomly blasting it with nutes. best thing i ever did was actually use minimal nutes so i could see how much i was screwing with the plants adding dumb shit here and there as reccomended by “local hydro shop guy.”
who is a con artist if you didnt already know

 

[scrogster]

Never let coco dry out, m guessing pure peat is the same.

I use this stuff its peat,coco,perlite I water every 3days with %10 run off still wet every 3days to a lift lol . I love this shit been using for about 5years strong. And yes treat as hydro ph.ect ect ect...

 

[Hdinkleman]

I use this stuff its peat,coco,perlite I water every 3days with %10 run off still wet every 3days to a lift lol . I love this shit been using for about 5years strong. And yes treat as hydro ph.ect ect ect...

yep i just got a bag of mother earth coco peat, havent seen much on it except a thread on here so figured id give it a shot. figure its pretty much the same as the sunshine just a little cheaper

 

[scrogster]

I add 1tsb of dolimite lime per. us gal. Too keep ph in check ez $$$

 

[Pennywise]

I've seen it better never used it.

 

[Fatlad]

There's the problem - NOT NEARLY enough water. At this stage you should water EVERY DAY - try a gallon of water. Where did you get leaving the plant and soil dry out idea from.

Thats VERY VERY BAD way to grow a flower in a container. Surprised you dont have male flowers by now. You probably would but she's already gone or close enough.

it's just what people told me but obviously incorrect .... live and learn pal everyday is a school day

 

[Fatlad]

yeah remember i just went through the same thing sitting the plant in waste water and watering it like soil.
it looks more like heat or light stress, whats the temp in there hea running 2 600 watt hps
dont know i relooked at the pictures and i doubt that was caused by watering.
ph 6 is fine in late flower in the coco you are sposed to raise it a little as you go farther in flowering

its between 75 and 81 as its controlled so very rarely goes over that pal

 

[Fatlad]

There's the problem - NOT NEARLY enough water. At this stage you should water EVERY DAY - try a gallon of water. Where did you get leaving the plant and soil dry out idea from.

Thats VERY VERY BAD way to grow a flower in a container. Surprised you dont have male flowers by now. You probably would but she's already gone or close enough.

what you mean.. shes already gone pal ... I've not got no bananas or seeds so I'm presuming they are still hanging on in there ... or is there an other way to see if they have gone .. thanks

 

[Hdinkleman]

it's just what people told me but obviously incorrect .... live and learn pal everyday is a school day

in soil you are supposed to let it dry out.
i dont know what the post you quoted was but that guy is wrong. you want the soil dry to the point that you are close to the plant wilting. dont worry if it wilts it will come back as soon as it gets water, just try to ride that line of waiting until that point before you water.

now in SOILLESS you dont want to, soilless is hydro. you want to maintain a normal watering schedule ONCE THE PLANT GETS BIG ENOUGH. while its still a small plant, let it dry out NOT COMPLETELY to encourage root stretching. once the plant is established in the pot it is in, water on a daily or every other day watering regimen.

soil does not work and deliver nutes the same way as a hydroponic (soilless inculded) so dont treat coco or cocopeat like soil.

cocopeat is just coco with peat added TO GIVE YOU EXTRA WATER RETENTION so you dont have to water everyday. even with that being said, the longest you want to go in an established plant is 3 days with coco peat

 

[Hdinkleman]

its between 75 and 81 as its controlled so very rarely goes over that pal

you got foxtailed buds so something other than watering is wrong sorry to burst your bubble, those buds looked like shit.
like earlier post said it looks like nitrogen clawing and toxicity. and maybe its just the orange tint but the plants looked dry and wilted. maybe your thermometer was off, you making sure to take temps at your leaf canopy and not just setting the thermometer in a corner somewhere?
whatever it is good luck to you

 

[Fatlad]

in soil you are supposed to let it dry out.
i dont know what the post you quoted was but that guy is wrong. you want the soil dry to the point that you are close to the plant wilting. dont worry if it wilts it will come back as soon as it gets water, just try to ride that line of waiting until that point before you water.

now in SOILLESS you dont want to, soilless is hydro. you want to maintain a normal watering schedule ONCE THE PLANT GETS BIG ENOUGH. while its still a small plant, let it dry out NOT COMPLETELY to encourage root stretching. once the plant is established in the pot it is in, water on a daily or every other day watering regimen.

soil does not work and deliver nutes the same way as a hydroponic (soilless inculded) so dont treat coco or cocopeat like soil.

cocopeat is just coco with peat added TO GIVE YOU EXTRA WATER RETENTION so you dont have to water everyday. even with that being said, the longest you want to go in an established plant is 3 days with coco peat

well I've started watering every day now and raised my pots so not in water but looks like it's to little to late

 

[Fatlad]

you got foxtailed buds so something other than watering is wrong sorry to burst your bubble, those buds looked like shit.
like earlier post said it looks like nitrogen clawing and toxicity. and maybe its just the orange tint but the plants looked dry and wilted. maybe your thermometer was off, you making sure to take temps at your leaf canopy and not just setting the thermometer in a corner somewhere?
whatever it is good luck to you

my thermometer is in the middle and my temp controller is near the canopy

 

[Hdinkleman]

my thermometer is in the middle and my temp controller is near the canopy

soil is supposed to dry out, soilless is not.
is your plants drinking so much that it needs to be watered everyday?

 

[Fatlad]

right guys here's a update ... do I stick with them or stop wasting my electric and time on these monster turds .. these are the latest pictures .. I've been watering 1litre once a day with run off and using 5ml per litre of dragon force asand nothing else ... they is 4 days left of dragon force then flush them but if they are dead then I'm gonna cut my losses now and get rid as not worth the hassle and I could do with it freeing up for my next grow .. dont be shy guys tell me straight ... live or die

soil is supposed to dry out, soilless is not.
is your plants drinking so much that it needs to be watered everyday?

I

soil is supposed to dry out, soilless is not.
is your plants drinking so much that it needs to be watered everyday?

drinks 1 litre every day with 10% run off

soil is supposed to dry out, soilless is not.
is your plants drinking so much that it needs to be watered everyday?

it drinks 1litre a day with 10% run off

 

[Hdinkleman]

right guys here's a update ... do I stick with them or stop wasting my electric and time on these monster turds .. these are the latest pictures .. I've been watering 1litre once a day with run off and using 5ml per litre of dragon force asand nothing else ... they is 4 days left of dragon force then flush them but if they are dead then I'm gonna cut my losses now and get rid as not worth the hassle and I could do with it freeing up for my next grow .. dont be shy guys tell me straight ... live or die

I


drinks 1 litre every day with 10% run off

it drinks 1litre a day with 10% run off

watering to 10% runoff and the plant actually drinking 1 gallon a day are two completely different things.

look man straight up question here.
are you growing in soil? if so you need to let the soil dry out between waterings. you are overwatering and depriving your plants of oxygen.

one more time, soil is not the same as coco. coco can hold 30% ( or some shit) its weight in oxygen, so thats why you can water coco everyday. soil does not. if you water everyday you are suffocating the plant. which could explain some of your problems.

lets look at this like an algebra problem. lets get your watering correct and eliminate that variable so you can actually solve the problem your plant is having. watering everyday IN SOIL to 10% runoff is hurting, not helping. unless the plant is drinking that much.

are you seriously saying that you can water today to 10% runoff and then tonorrow the soil is dry? checking by picking up the pot it is in?

 

[Pennywise]

My guess is they are in soil and being overwatered which is allowing the plant to suck up way too many nutrients. Don't chop just back back off on the watering.

 

[Fatlad]

this is what I'm using guys

 

[Fatlad]

My guess is they are in soil and being overwatered which is allowing the plant to suck up way too many nutrients. Don't chop just back back off on the watering.

so you reckon they still alive

 

[Fatlad]

watering to 10% runoff and the plant actually drinking 1 gallon a day are two completely different things.

look man straight up question here.
are you growing in soil? if so you need to let the soil dry out between waterings. you are overwatering and depriving your plants of oxygen.

one more time, soil is not the same as coco. coco can hold 30% ( or some shit) its weight in oxygen, so thats why you can water coco everyday. soil does not. if you water everyday you are suffocating the plant. which could explain some of your problems.

lets look at this like an algebra problem. lets get your watering correct and eliminate that variable so you can actually solve the problem your plant is having. watering everyday IN SOIL to 10% runoff is hurting, not helping. unless the plant is drinking that much.

are you seriously saying that you can water today to 10% runoff and then tonorrow the soil is dry? checking by picking up the pot it is in?

this is what I'm using 60/40

 

[bobrown14]

what you mean.. shes already gone pal ... I

She very likely wont recover from the chronically under/over watering.

You might get something off them tho.

Factoid:

We soil growers never let our soil dry out. Plants need water, its how plants move nutrients around in the plant thru their vascular system.

I have an automated watering system in my setup. Plants have access to as much water as they want all the time.

These plants are all +7' tall in doors in containers. Water is available 24/7 and the roots are sitting it water. The plants are taking up nutrients made available by micro-organisms in the soil. I don't use any fertilizers. Nothing but water.

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If water around the roots was depriving the plant of oxygen, how do plants grow in hydro???



water = H2O <--- 2 oxygen molecules there on the end. Hinkle I think you are getting something mixed up here. The only way a plant can get deprived of oxygen in water is if there's another organism eating up all the oxygen faster than the plant can.

That would be from anaerobic organisms.

One reason why hydro growers change out water/nutrient solution regularly.