MNS - My New Spot

:passitleft: hey mate, couple days of some convo filled pages quickly.. my phones stuffed again, not allowing pics. I hope this isn't finished before it gets started, I was looking forward to showing and growing through the MNS catalogue..
 
Hey Grizz just saying hi.
I see your Journal grew Balls Bwahaha, I haven't seen that much hash since I was riding the Greyhound bus from the South back up to the NW. A guy got on with a duffle bag full of hash,we got stoned at every stop till New Mexico, when we pulled into one of the stations cops were everywhere with dogs he handed out pieces to anyone that would take some, the dogs went berserk we got out clean. since the dogs were all over the place I offered the piece back he just said keep it. So every one that grabbed it from him got a free chunk lol
 
I hope your not finished, where else would I go, nobody else makes sense, well, except Feral.
 
No, I'll work something out.. it just might be a while before any photos.. I've got nothing left to delete off my phone for more room..

That's awesome red.. some quick thinking..
 
Those balls were 120g when photographed. Now net weight would be less due to Quality Control sampling.. They started out fresh/uncured @ 200g. Before they were balls, they were a brick. After they were a brick, but before they were balls, they were pieces, broken off the brick (unevenly) to start curing in a cedar lined humidor, shown here.

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Skunkworkz said:
Those balls were 120g when photographed. Now net weight would be less due to Quality Control sampling.. They started out fresh/uncured @ 200g. Before they were balls, they were a brick. After they were a brick, but before they were balls, they were pieces, broken off the brick (unevenly) to start curing in a cedar lined humidor, shown here.

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Thats a mighty brick bro !! I love Hash, its my favourite form of Cannabis by far. Don't get me wrong, I love a great bud, but the concentrated flavour of Hash is beautiful and it has a fantastic heavy stoned. Love the name by the way, I have a Skunkworks (no z) clothing 'range' that I make on occasions and sell to fund various things.
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You could make oil, then drizzle it over the flowers
 
I spent a fair bit of time in Morocco and they mix Kief and Hash in little pipes. Sitting on a rooftop, watching the sun go down over the mountains smoking little pipes is a memory that I cherish !
 
You gotta add a z to it and stick a stem and cone out the top of the skunks head..

That's awesome man..
 
I love dry sift..
 
This is from nevil..

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If it isn't a breeder's job to protect our drug pool then whose job is it Nevil?
Are you still harping on about this crap Gitt? What have you done and for whose benefit? The job I gave myself, was to save the genes that I decided were good and put them out there for people who at that time had no access to quality stuff. What do you want me to do, save people from my good genetics? You're seriously loosing me Gitt, I thought you were smarter than this. If you were right, then I wouldn't have one all those cups, and you and everyone else wouldn't be growing stuff descended from my work.
N.

Didn't you read my post on donating the few landraces I found to the University of Wageningen.
Why are you dumping all this shit on me? I've spent most of my life dodging prison for doing what I did. Like many, I've been raided by cops and generally had my life trashed by authorities. I've stuck my neck out further than most and further than you have and to make you happy, I've got to save the genepool as well. I saved the part of the genepool I liked by passing it on to 1000s of people. If my life's work was not good enough for you, well ain't that a shame.
N.

As I see it, people are viewing things from a perspective that hybrids need to be stabilised and must become IBLs. It's the only way I can account for the irrational idea that 1:1 matings are deleterious to the genepool. Gitt's population mechanics ideas might be applicable to that, but the fact is that we are not dealing with a closed stud book like race horses or many of the dog breeds. What we have is an open book and there are still separate lines, landraces and IBLs yet to be discovered. This being the case, I can't see what all the fuss is about.
In order to be of service to the customer, we need to provide seeds that will give superior and predictable results. Most customers are not breeders and so it isn't all that important to them if it is true breeding or not.
What matters is how good is the plant that they grow and what's it smoke like. That's what wins cups.
How breeders can deal with these polyhybrids was where I was trying to go with this.
N.
 
More;
Whether people like it or not, the standard practice for improving a breed, is to do close inbreeding to families that have outstanding and often extreme characteristics. Once these characteristics become fixed, usually after several generations, the best members of the line are outcrossed. Of all the outcrosses, often one will stand out (often the reason is because of a common ancestor further back in the pedigree). This is called a "nick".
Further matings are inbred to the nick and line bred to the best ancestor.
I offer this interactive pedigree of the Bullmastiff Torneto, who won numerous championships. WebGeneal 4.6p
You will see how he is line bred to Tailwyndes Thunderstorm. Click on the pedigree to see how he was bred. Tailwyndes Thunderstorm nicked with Boston Blackie. See how TT is inbred to the nick. It is of particular interest to see how close the Tailwynde studs inbreeding is. As often is the case some problems were created, but the successes will be indelibly imprinted on the breed. This breeding tek is found at the top level of most stud breeds of animals and plants. Familiarise yourself with the interactive pedigree provided. This is the future of cannabis breeding IMO.
N.
 
And more;
Quote; I'd be willing to have a crack at such a database of Nev's work.

This is where we need to go and I need help. But it's not only my work but all pedigrees that can be trusted need to be recorded. If I know how someone elses best cutting is bred, I can be clever in how I use it. Dubious pedigrees like the Imaculate Conception of Cheese wouldn't be of much use, while the Cheese itself might be if one could be sure of it's parents.
N.

On the subject of hybrids and stabilising lines, I'd like to say a few words. From the perspective of an experienced and critical smoker, the blending of types can only be done genetically. What I mean to say is that mixing pure Haze weed and pure NL together and smoking it, will not give you the same effect as the hybrid would. The hybrid is better! Inbreeding the hybrid and making F2s and so on will not give you a product that is the equal of the original F1. You may get a different version that is very good, but it won't have that perfect blend of the F1. Subtleties that come from the exact 50-50 blend of the F1 get lost under a layer of more dominant traits that are expressed more and more as you continue to inbreed brothers to sisters.
It's not that I'm against this tek to create an IBL. I know it to be effective, it's just that if you have a F1 hybrid that excels be cause it's a blend of polar opposites, you won't hold on to that by inbreeding to siblings. This method of creating IBLs is more suited to hybrids that are put together because of their similarity of type.

Quote: about your example haze x NL, is this because the F2 will show a greater diversity than an F2 from P1 hybrids and so a a lot more of phenotypes ?

The F2 will show more diversity but few will be the blend that the parents were. Nevertheless, despite or because of the lack of uniformity extreme examples can sill be found. From the F3 onward, things start to homogenise in a less favourable way. Usually, the smell and taste suffer the most.
N.

Quote; if you select F2 plants showing taste and aroma you like, it will be difficult to maintain these genes ? i suppose you cant true bred a line for aroma in this case...
We were discussing aromas based on the blending of opposites and then inbreeding siblings. There are other ways.
N.
 
Need to google this f1 f2 and how do you know say example crop kings seeds white cookies feminized seeds f? Lol
 
This Should be with the first part...
Quote:The deterioration of smell and taste with inbreeding is probably why the commercial dutch strains have declined a lot since the late 90s. Sensi Seeds, for example, seem to be nowhere near as good as they were

Sensi never had anything of their own. Prior to 1990 I sold seeds to Sensi to cover the Dutch market. Any reputation they had came from those seeds. I was a mistake to sell to Ben. Despite the deal, as soon as I ended up in jail Ben stopped buying seeds to put me under financial pressure to sell everything to him. He haggled for 6 months while lawyers chewed up my available cash. In the end, I was forced to sell for less than what I paid for the House and the 10Ha surrounding it. I got nothing for my stock. This is why I had no compunction in taking back my cuttings and a handful of seeds when I left. In the 2 years that I worked there as a consultant, I got everything back on track and then left. I left them in good shape, but considering that nobody there is so much as a breeders arsehole. I don't expect anything good will be produced again.
N.
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You answered it yourself with that ? :rofl:
 

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