MK-Ultra Hempy - C02 - 1000 Watts

[Doc Bud]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

Yep, I didn't use coarse Perlite. I used regular and rinsed the hell out of it trying to get rid of all the small stuff.

Glad that's sorted out because I really want to do a Hempy grow.

Good tip on duct taping stakes around the outside of the bucket for support!

I bet that JH is tasty after a nice cure doc. You'd like mine even better too these days .

Thanks fellow growers, another problem solved .

I still have that nug you gave me....and I smoked some the other day. It was niiiiiiiiice!

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

Doc, just wanted to say high and let ya know that I've been watching silently and it's already been educational and different than last time. Thanks for taking the time to help us grow better with you.

I've been slack in the PM department, but I've been brainstroming like crazy, we'll be talking...

sounds great Andy! Thanks for stopping by.

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

Today marks 30 days since the seeds were popped.

A few updates: All plants are healthy and thriving.
Liquid light....this stuff really works. You spray it on, and within a few minutes the leaves are pointing higher and the plants look more perky. It's still weird spraying your plants while the lights are on.....but that's what is called for, and it does work.

Pests: I'm going to spray some Floramite as soon as I'm confident that all of the plants are well rooted and stress free. I don't have pests right now, which means I'm about to get them....I got them last grow.

If I don't get mites this grow, then next grow I'll only spray Azatrol as a preventative.

Should I get mites anyways, after the spray, I'll use Azatrol and Doctor Doom.

The other task I have before flowering is to trim a bit of the lower branches off, these things are so dense and compact it's dark under the leaves.

This one used to be the sickest...not sick anymore, I'll stop referring to it as such.

I've had a hard time taking pictures that show how dense the foliage is, this one comes close

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

lookin' good!

The VK I'm growing also tends to choke itself with growth.

One grower recommends removing some of the upper fan leaves that block light from reaching the lower branches as opposed to thinning the lower branches out.

That makes sense to me, because if you remove lower branches you remove bud sites, but I'm not generally a fan leaf trimmer, so it would be difficult for me to snip those upper sugar factories.

It may be what these bushy plants need though.

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

lookin' good!

The VK I'm growing also tends to choke itself with growth.

One grower recommends removing some of the upper fan leaves that block light from reaching the lower branches as opposed to thinning the lower branches out.

That makes sense to me, because if you remove lower branches you remove bud sites, but I'm not generally a fan leaf trimmer, so it would be difficult for me to snip those upper sugar factories.

It may be what these bushy plants need though.

What I'm doing is playing with the photoperiod. As of today, I'm down to 15/9. I thought I did that last week, but I did not. (medicated in the grow room) I did it this morning.

My thinking is to get a bit of stretch and open things up a bit.

I'm not keen on removing fan leaves at all. The plant needs 'em.

I've noticed Pitviper removes lower branches....I got the idea from him. On my last grow, I did no trimming at all, and the lower branches had lots of tiny buds....I'd rather have fewer larger buds.

What's your take on that?

 

[The Weed]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

Yes, I see what your doing fooling around with lighting times, But 12/12 when your ready will give you plenty of stretch don't you think? You said your self that tall hempy plants have a hard time supporting them selfs. Worst case.. 2 stage harvest Colas first and let under growth stay a week or so? Your Thoughts?

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

Yes, I see what your doing fooling around with lighting times, But 12/12 when your ready will give you plenty of stretch don't you think? You said your self that tall hempy plants have a hard time supporting them selfs. Worst case.. 2 stage harvest Colas first and let under growth stay a week or so? Your Thoughts?

I like your ideas! And I suspect you're spot on.

The only reason I'm trying to stretch them a bit now, is because I had 5 internodes at 5 inches, and the lower leaves were on the ground. Hell, the feeder leaves are still green.

It's dark under there.....
I'm not worried about support, cause their gonna get staked. But thanks for the input.....it makes total sense.

Much to learn!

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

What I'm doing is playing with the photoperiod. As of today, I'm down to 15/9. I thought I did that last week, but I did not. (medicated in the grow room) I did it this morning.

My thinking is to get a bit of stretch and open things up a bit.

I'm not keen on removing fan leaves at all. The plant needs 'em.

I've noticed Pitviper removes lower branches....I got the idea from him. On my last grow, I did no trimming at all, and the lower branches had lots of tiny buds....I'd rather have fewer larger buds.

What's your take on that?

I'm not keen on removing fan leaves either, especially the ones up high that are getting lots of light.

There's another good controversy ripe for a comparison grow .

On removing the lower third of the branches, I have mixed feelings. In terms of managing the plant's energy, I think it's a great idea if you want the plant to concentrate it's energy on the upper larger buds. Whatever energy the plant would expend on the popcorn buds would go up into the big colas.

The reason I have mixed feelings is because I happen to like popcorn buds, lol. They dry and cure fast and give me something to smoke while I'm waiting for the larger buds to cure. They also allow me to sample the plant before harvest. I like to snip a couple now and then and put them on top of my lights to dry overnight.

I like having a jar of popcorn buds, but it's a personal preference thing.

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

I'm not keen on removing fan leaves either, especially the ones up high that are getting lots of light.

There's another good controversy ripe for a comparison grow .

On removing the lower third of the branches, I have mixed feelings. In terms of managing the plant's energy, I think it's a great idea if you want the plant to concentrate it's energy on the upper larger buds. Whatever energy the plant would expend on the popcorn buds would go up into the big colas.

The reason I have mixed feelings is because I happen to like popcorn buds, lol. They dry and cure fast and give me something to smoke while I'm waiting for the larger buds to cure. They also allow me to sample the plant before harvest. I like to snip a couple now and then and put them on top of my lights to dry overnight.

I like having a jar of popcorn buds, but it's a personal preference thing.

What would happen if only the lower bud sites were pruned, leaving the foliage to produce for the plant? Cervantes says yield is best with no pruning or topping, provided there is enough light, etc. So, what if we left the lower solar panels, but removed the buds?

I'm wrestling with the concept of yield. Due to the fact that our crop of choice is worth money....every ounce counts for people. This dictates that we focus on yield as a measure of success, and that seems to be a driving force in Cannabis marketing.

However, in viticulture, they don't grow grapes for yield....not at all, the vines are half starved most of the time and they want little, itty bitty grapes that have just the right brix, because they're growing for taste and quality.

I wonder how to go about that with our crop? Is the most bud the best bud? I don't know, but I suspect not.

Really, when you think about it, growing cannabis is in its infancy. There is so much we don't know....and even more that I don't know.

 

[slimm]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

I read a post recently that claimed the temperature differential between night and day also plays a role in how much internode stretching the plant does. I don't have the link but I made a mental note because I thought that sometime I will want to verify this. The poster claimed that bigger swings result in more stretch. I'm just throwing it out here as a data point - I do not know if it is true or not but it is worth consideration.

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

I read a post recently that claimed the temperature differential between night and day also plays a role in how much internode stretching the plant does. I don't have the link but I made a mental note because I thought that sometime I will want to verify this. The poster claimed that bigger swings result in more stretch. I'm just throwing it out here as a data point - I do not know if it is true or not but it is worth consideration.

I've heard that too. My room goes from a high of about 80 to a low of about 68.

This is a pretty easy strain to grow, I'm thinking. Very resilient.

I'm looking forward to harvest time....but it's a long, long road.

 

[Setting Sun]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

This may be the one you're alluding to:

Temperature control for yield

Is it true or not?

It was posted by Racefan, who I consider to be extremely reliable as far as knowledge and grow skills.

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

This may be the one you're alluding to:

Temperature control for yield

Is it true or not?

It was posted by Racefan, who I consider to be extremely reliable as far as knowledge and grow skills.

that's a great link. Thanks, SS.

 

[Tunes420]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

Cheers Here's to learning all we can, then passing it on .......plants look great doc ....And i agree on smaller yields if it means better buds...higher quality. If i had chance to grow outside or inside....i would choose indoors....plants get more TLC...and protection from the elements. IMO buds are a lot better. Green house is of course the exception ...cause thats almost like growing indoors but using the sun

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

Cheers Here's to learning all we can, then passing it on .......plants look great doc ....And i agree on smaller yields if it means better buds...higher quality. If i had chance to grow outside or inside....i would choose indoors....plants get more TLC...and protection from the elements. IMO buds are a lot better. Green house is of course the exception ...cause thats almost like growing indoors but using the sun

I'm already dreaming of an outdoor greenhouse, with all the climate controls, as well as natural flow-thru ventilation and lights when needed.

Just imagine....
220volts
Several nice drains in the floor
CO2
De-hum and hum
Heat
AC
Really nice climate control that integrates everything
A huge stainless sink with RO
Several resevoirs, various pumps, nice tables

All this in about a 20x20 package.

Sheesh. Listen to me, I used to dream this way about women, then boats. Now look what's happened!

 

[The Weed]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

Sheesh. Listen to me, I used to dream this way about women, then boats. Now look what's happened!

That was a good one! So true!

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

That was a good one! So true!

here's another funny/interesting observation:

Just now, my wife and I were learning how to roll joints together. We're bonding (been married 23 years) over MJ! It's a hell of a lot of fun, and it's bringing us together.

And, as if that's not cool enough, as i was grinding up some samples of Bubba Kush, I found 4 really nice seeds! I'm gonna be able to grow sum bubba!

 

[420warriors]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

Hey doc hows the learning to roll goin? I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to explain a great method a bud taught me. basically you fold the paper so it makes a basket....... Damn,never mind.

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

Hey doc hows the learning to roll goin? I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to explain a great method a bud taught me. basically you fold the paper so it makes a basket....... Damn,never mind.

I've got a little rollin' machine....but those are the training wheels. In college I used a dollar bill, but I'm hopin' the learn to do it by hand.

I'm grinding up different varieties of herb, sprinkling some kief and rolling custom, compounded joints. The best one so far: 1-1 Trainwreck and Bubba Kush, with Keif from Durban Poison. Also good: Flo-Blue Dream-Mr. Nice in a 1-2-2 ratio, with kief from Jack Herer.

You get a nice head high, followed by a really nice, happy, slappy stone....then sleepy time. Great bed-time meds.

Update: Day 32 from seed. I gave the first watering of the big pots. The plants are looking fantastic, growing, all green and perky. The current photoperiod is 15/9. I'm going to go to 12/12 this week, I believe.

I believe I have 2 pheno's: These two on the left are more Sativa-like, less dense and they have very well developed phototrophism, they're always tilting to the light, perky, etc.

Here's a comparison of the largest and smallest. The smaller plant sprouted a week later, and the larger plant went into the larger container a week earlier, due to the root rot.

A word about the root rot:

I treated it very aggressively by mixing a 20 percent solution (5:1) of water and 3% H2O2. I've read that you should use a tablespoon per gallon.....I obviously used much, much more than that. I removed the plant from the cup and swished the roots around in the solution, washing away all the soil and perlite that fell off easily. The brown, disgusting parts of the roots bubbled and foamed as the bacterial cell walls were destroyed by the peroxide. This only took about 10 seconds.

I then transplanted into pure perlite and watered with a weak nute/peroxide solution, along with 10 drops of Superthrive per gallon. The plants showed shock, for sure, but revived in a couple days and are now doing great.

 

[420warriors]

Re: MK-Ultra Hempy, C02, 1000watts.

Yea I find that rolling blends can be great, sometimes you get a whole new flavor and sometimes you can still tell the individual tastes and always great buzz. One of my favorites is BB and Rhino. Your girls are looking great Doc,I'm always learning something from your journals. Is there an easy way to transplant from my hempy cups to the buckets? I have a while before I do this but I'm nervous about it.