Mini Green House Grow

Re: setting sun's mini-greenhouse grow

WOW have those girls filled out!!!!!!! damn!

yeah see i thought they hadda lil while to go still sun, like andy said, but im sure you know watchya doin ;)

I was hoping they would fill out like this when I saw how fast the buds were growing in early bloom. Actually, they've gotten bigger than I imagined.

Yeah, they are definitely not ready. I've grown this strain before and that's very helpful when trying to judge chop time.

thanks for your support odorous!

They look amaaaazing! It's safe to say they have no more ruderalis in them.

Yeah, there's definitely nothin' low or fast about these, lol. The next grow with this strain will be the third generation, and I've bred mostly for size and yield, so it should be interesting.

thanks DFW!

Those are some fat buds and if they do get any fatter you are going to have some epic buds on your hands. Gosh, it seems like just yesterday those plants where out in that tent. They sure have outgrown that. Great job.

I can't imagine them getting much bigger, but who knows? I'm not going to chop them before their time.

They would still fit in the second larger outdoor tent that I got for them, and I can't help but wonder how they would be doing if they were still outside, but I can't say I'm disappointed in how they're doing indoors.

thanks sonzor, your visits and support are always appreciated bro!
 
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Whachu think SS...another 3 weeks?

Maybe even four? Looks kinda like 4 to me depending on how you like your ripeness...but they should really bulk up in the coming weeks.

I prefer a cerebral high for medicinal purposes, and even if I let the trichs get mostly amber, my wife still won't smoke it because it's too euphoric for her and her insomnia. I'm going to wait until most trichs are cloudy, and I think that's gonna take 2-3 weeks at most. I want to harvest at that peak, cause dats what I like, and my wife has enough indica couchlock stash to last until my next grow, which will be a strain more to her liking.

How is everything going with the girls in your opinion?

I think they're happy and doing well. The thorough flush and high-P feedings lightened the petioles up a little, but they're still red on the narrow-leaved pheno. Maybe it's just a genetic variation or something. That plant also got hit the hardest by the white flies, but it looks like it's doing OK now. Their metabolism is strong, I'm having to water every three days now.

BTW, what's your take on flushing before harvest?

Any plans to remove those tiny suckers along the bottom of the stems?

I would if I was low on stash, but I'm not ;). Would removing them provide significantly more energy to the upper buds?

I am going to girdle one plant as an experiment. Have your heard of girdling marijuana?

Gotta love how the longest main top has filled in :yummy:

dude, every time I look at those buds I can't believe it, lol.
 
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Hay SS quick question for you. How do you know when your seeds are ripe and ready to be harvested. I know I read that you can see the seeds and can look to see if they are ripe. Is this true all the time. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Again great job on your grow...
 
Re: setting sun's mini-greenhouse grow

Hay SS quick question for you. How do you know when your seeds are ripe and ready to be harvested. I know I read that you can see the seeds and can look to see if they are ripe. Is this true all the time. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Again great job on your grow...

I also have the same question:

My friend just harvests the plant according to the tricomes and gets the seeds during trim. He still smokes the bud....says it's just as good as sensi.....
 
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Setting Sun, absolutely gorgeous buds bro. You have done an outstanding job on your journal/grow. Jealous of the great smoke you be token soon enough. ^420.

Thanks GMT!

Appreciate your kind words and support bro, but you got no reason for jealousy with what you got goin' on ;). Would love to get together for objective smoke reports ;).

looking good SS im 10 days behind you, i hope they get that frosty in the next 2 weeks woo hoo, awesome job rock on

thanks fluroman!

Appreciate your visit and encouragement! Ima go check out your grow soon as I'm done here.

Still looking good brother grower :popcorn:
Girdling- removing a strip of bark or crushing the stem of a plant to restrict the flow of water, nutrients, and plant products....Cool will be tuned in bro :passitleft:

Yep, first heard about it reading BornToRun's outside grow journal. If you search for "girdling" in his journal, there's more info. I'm gonna use a zip tie and I want to time it at two weeks before harvest, which is very soon.

It seems to me, that for some reason, we got more experimenters here at 420Mag than other weed forums. Since that's one of my favorite things about growing, it's another reason I call this home for my grows. I've never seen people trying so much weird crap anywhere else ;).

I've cut way back on surfing other weed forums because there's enough forward thinking going on here to satisfy my mad scientist jones, lol.

So yeah, stay tuned for girdling. I'll take the hit if she keels over, LOL.
 
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May I ask...exactly what did you do to control this pest? I had problems with white flies in the past and, although the room had been sanitized preventing the next crop from infestation, I was never able to completely destroy them in the original plants - just kinda did my best and rode it out until harvest.

Well, I said she was doing OK, not that I had eradicated the bastards. I'm still checking every day and finding some here and there. I sprayed them three times pretty heavily with neem and it was effective, but I don't want to use it anymore because the stuff stinks and I don't want my buds tasting like it. Since I only have three plants, I've been controlling them by crushing them with my fingers. If I had a large-scale grow, I'd have a much larger-scale problem.

I may pick up a pyrethrum-based product tomorrow and see if I can knock them out completely with that. If it doesn't, I'll just keep them under control by removing them manually. The white flies aren't evenly distributed among the leaves, so if you can find the leaves that are hosting the main colonies, you can wreak some havoc in their numbers without resorting to chemicals. Again, that only works cause I got a few plants.



Usually, I hit them with a flushing agent and water ~ ten days before predicated harvest (a lil' earlier if I was using synthetic ferts). Then only water until 50/50 on the trichs. This has always been fine. However, I am trying SouthernWeed's 'double-flush' method on a Hashplant right now (will be harvested when the soil is dry after the second flush), and I will let you know if I notice a difference.

thanks!

Ah, another age old gardening debate...(removing small lower buds)
I was hoping you had already considered the possibilities and would manicure one and leave another. For strictly educational purposes, of course.;)

I hadn't considered the possibilities, but now that you've planted the seed it would just be wrong to pass it up, for educational purposes, of course ;).

I'll do the girdling on one plant, strip the sucker buds on another, and leave the third alone as a control. Won't be able to draw any hard conclusions because of the small sample size, but it'll be fun.


thanks andy!
 
Re: setting sun's mini-greenhouse grow

Hay SS quick question for you. How do you know when your seeds are ripe and ready to be harvested. I know I read that you can see the seeds and can look to see if they are ripe. Is this true all the time. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Again great job on your grow...


Well, you can count on them needing at *least* three weeks from pollination to be fully formed, but if you rip them out of wet buds, your germination rate will drop.

That's why the timing of selective pollination is important. If it's done when there are only a very few hairs showing, in very early bloom, the seeds may not form right, and if you wait too long, your buds may be ready to harvest before the seeds are mature, so it's best to pollinate when the lower buds have more than just a few hairs, but still fairly early in bloom. Then you got plenty of time for them to mature and you can forget about them and focus on bud maturity.

I've seen where on some strains (not all) the seeds start to split the calyx and you can see nice dark fully formed seeds in the living buds, but again, if you rip them out of living or even freshly harvested wet buds, you're gonna screw your germination rate to some degree.

I believe the seeds continue to mature in the buds after you chop, and best time to harvest them is after the buds have cured for at least a couple of weeks and are fairly dry.

In nature, the seeds stay in the buds until the plant is dead and dry.

If you want to improve your germination rate even further, and can afford the extra time, put them in your refrigerator for at least a few weeks to simulate winter.

Some percentage of seeds taken from wet buds will germinate, so if you need to start some seeds ASAP, you could try gently stripping some out from living plants after at least three weeks from pollination, but that's not the ideal timing.

hope this helps

thanks brother!
 
Re: setting sun's mini-greenhouse grow

I also have the same question:

My friend just harvests the plant according to the tricomes and gets the seeds during trim. He still smokes the bud....says it's just as good as sensi.....


I agree with your friend, but if I can afford the time, I like to wait till after cure, and then if I can afford even more time, I put them in the fridge for a few weeks. That method will give you fully mature seeds and the best germination rate.

I also agree with him that a few seeds aren't going to affect potency.

A heavily seeded bud, however, is going to be crap because too much energy has been diverted into seed production.

The females that produced that big pile o' seeds at the very beginning of this journal were about the worst weed I've ever smoked, besides the time I tried to get high smoking wild hemp after I stumbled into a huge field in Nebraska.

Few things are as frustrating as being surrounded by huge MJ plants that don't get you high, lol.

take care doc!
 
Re: setting sun's mini-greenhouse grow

Well, you can count on them needing at *least* three weeks from pollination to be fully formed, but if you rip them out of wet buds, your germination rate will drop.

That's why the timing of selective pollination is important. If it's done when there are only a very few hairs showing, in very early bloom, the seeds may not form right, and if you wait too long, your buds may be ready to harvest before the seeds are mature, so it's best to pollinate when the lower buds have more than just a few hairs, but still fairly early in bloom. Then you got plenty of time for them to mature and you can forget about them and focus on bud maturity.

I've seen where on some strains (not all) the seeds start to split the calyx and you can see nice dark fully formed seeds in the living buds, but again, if you rip them out of living or even freshly harvested wet buds, you're gonna screw your germination rate to some degree.

I believe the seeds continue to mature in the buds after you chop, and best time to harvest them is after the buds have cured for at least a couple of weeks and are fairly dry.

In nature, the seeds stay in the buds until the plant is dead and dry.

If you want to improve your germination rate even further, and can afford the extra time, put them in your refrigerator for at least a few weeks to simulate winter.

Some percentage of seeds taken from wet buds will germinate, so if you need to start some seeds ASAP, you could try gently stripping some out from living plants after at least three weeks from pollination, but that's not the ideal timing.

hope this helps

thanks brother!


Thanks so much for all the great information. And your wealth of knowledge is always astounding. And just so I get this correct. If I wait a little longer until the buds are even over ripe is better than making a mistake a plucking them early. Then dry a cure put in refrigerator for a couple of weeks and I am good to go. Thanks again
 
Re: setting sun's mini-greenhouse grow

Well, you can count on them needing at *least* three weeks from pollination to be fully formed, but if you rip them out of wet buds, your germination rate will drop.

That's why the timing of selective pollination is important. If it's done when there are only a very few hairs showing, in very early bloom, the seeds may not form right, and if you wait too long, your buds may be ready to harvest before the seeds are mature, so it's best to pollinate when the lower buds have more than just a few hairs, but still fairly early in bloom. Then you got plenty of time for them to mature and you can forget about them and focus on bud maturity.

I've seen where on some strains (not all) the seeds start to split the calyx and you can see nice dark fully formed seeds in the living buds, but again, if you rip them out of living or even freshly harvested wet buds, you're gonna screw your germination rate to some degree.

I believe the seeds continue to mature in the buds after you chop, and best time to harvest them is after the buds have cured for at least a couple of weeks and are fairly dry.

In nature, the seeds stay in the buds until the plant is dead and dry.

If you want to improve your germination rate even further, and can afford the extra time, put them in your refrigerator for at least a few weeks to simulate winter.

Some percentage of seeds taken from wet buds will germinate, so if you need to start some seeds ASAP, you could try gently stripping some out from living plants after at least three weeks from pollination, but that's not the ideal timing.

hope this helps

thanks brother!

Thanks, SS so detailed and figurative. I've also wandered about that, no any near planes though. I've bein' on another tunes recently, so a bit late about your progress, good job so far! At this point I feel probably like on an autopilot, actually the worries about the ladies has been faded away. When the day comes how do you plan to proceed? Will you let them dry out "...squeeze out every last bit of resin..." ? How about the trimming, cure ?
 
Re: setting sun's mini-greenhouse grow

Thanks so much for all the great information. And your wealth of knowledge is always astounding. And just so I get this correct. If I wait a little longer until the buds are even over ripe is better than making a mistake a plucking them early. Then dry a cure put in refrigerator for a couple of weeks and I am good to go. Thanks again


If were talking about *before* harvest, the longer you wait to chop the better as far as the seeds are concerned.

Once you've chopped, dry and cure the buds the way you normally would, then break the seeded buds up after the buds are fairly dry, which usually takes at least two weeks, and then put the seeds in the refrigerator for another couple of weeks to improve the germination rate.

Then you're good to go.
 
Re: setting sun's mini-greenhouse grow

Thanks, SS so detailed and figurative. I've also wandered about that, no any near planes though. I've bein' on another tunes recently, so a bit late about your progress, good job so far! At this point I feel probably like on an autopilot, actually the worries about the ladies has been faded away. When the day comes how do you plan to proceed? Will you let them dry out "...squeeze out every last bit of resin..." ? How about the trimming, cure ?


Glad you worries have faded daydrimin. There are lots of experienced growers here that can help with pretty much anything if we ask.

My harvest routine is to chop my plants when the trichs are where I want them. Then I manicure them and hang them in my cab/drying box with an exhaust fan going 24/7 to prevent mold. Once the main stems are dry enough to snap instead of bending, I put them in jars in a dark dry place and cure them by opening the jars every day for a few minutes to evaporate moisture.

Your nose becomes an important tool when you cure your buds. If you sniff your jars and smell anything that doesn't smell good, usually a smell like ammonia, you need to dry them quick because they are starting to get moldy. If I smell anything like that, I either hang them back up in my drying box or just lay them out on some cardboard so that they dry fast.

thanks bro!
 
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If were talking about *before* harvest, the longer you wait to chop the better as far as the seeds are concerned.

Once you've chopped, dry and cure the buds the way you normally would, then break the seeded buds up after the buds are fairly dry, which usually takes at least two weeks, and then put the seeds in the refrigerator for another couple of weeks to improve the germination rate.

Then you're good to go.

Perfect I think I got. The plant is only for seeds so you cant over due it just under. Thanks again and much appreciated..
 
Re: setting sun's mini-greenhouse grow

Well, you can count on them needing at *least* three weeks from pollination to be fully formed, but if you rip them out of wet buds, your germination rate will drop.

That's why the timing of selective pollination is important. If it's done when there are only a very few hairs showing, in very early bloom, the seeds may not form right, and if you wait too long, your buds may be ready to harvest before the seeds are mature, so it's best to pollinate when the lower buds have more than just a few hairs, but still fairly early in bloom. Then you got plenty of time for them to mature and you can forget about them and focus on bud maturity.

I've seen where on some strains (not all) the seeds start to split the calyx and you can see nice dark fully formed seeds in the living buds, but again, if you rip them out of living or even freshly harvested wet buds, you're gonna screw your germination rate to some degree.

I believe the seeds continue to mature in the buds after you chop, and best time to harvest them is after the buds have cured for at least a couple of weeks and are fairly dry.

In nature, the seeds stay in the buds until the plant is dead and dry.

If you want to improve your germination rate even further, and can afford the extra time, put them in your refrigerator for at least a few weeks to simulate winter.

Some percentage of seeds taken from wet buds will germinate, so if you need to start some seeds ASAP, you could try gently stripping some out from living plants after at least three weeks from pollination, but that's not the ideal timing.

hope this helps

thanks brother!

do you have a source on this information. i have grown japanese maples before and there is a very specific process soak in water 2 days leave in refridge for 90-120days depening on germination and there is only a 2% germination rate. i ask if you have a source becuase i am studing horticulture so i dont sound stupid to the class or teacher if i ever refrence. thank you ss
 
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Long winded, I think not, just very thorough which I appreciate very much. Thanks again.
 
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do you have a source on this information. i have grown japanese maples before and there is a very specific process soak in water 2 days leave in refridge for 90-120days depening on germination and there is only a 2% germination rate. i ask if you have a source becuase i am studing horticulture so i dont sound stupid to the class or teacher if i ever refrence. thank you ss


I raised several different points in that post, so it would be helpful if you can tell me more specifically which points to provide sources for.

The source for my post is derived from a combination of my personal experience, the personal experience of other growers, and what I have gleaned from additional reading and research. Some of my opinions may be based more on marijuana lore and experience, and some more on pure scientific data, but again, I'm not in the habit of organizing the stuff I find because I'm just a dude trying to grow some weed and share my understanding, not an academician.

I save what I consider good stuff when I come across it, but I'm not very good at organizing my saved data by subject, so it's kinda spread out all over my hard drive ;).

I would be more than happy to look up sources for specific points you're interested in.

Here's a source to support that a period of refrigeration seems to improve germination rates:

"First, if harvesting seeds from my own crosses, I air-dry newly harvested seeds for a couple of weeks, and then store them in the refrigerator with a little rice. Cold-treatment seems to increase viability and germination rates, especially with indica-dom strains. I almost always get a 100% germination rate with quality seedstock."

Germinating Cannabis Seeds (for Bio Growers).


This is not a reference to an exhaustive scientific study, but dig around and you should be able to find references to support (or refute) the points I brought up.

Again, I'd be more than happy to do some digging around myself, if you would like.

thanks bro!
 
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