Mars-Hydro LED Grow Light Discussion

Thank you, Dennise~~Hope you have a beautiful day!:circle-of-love:
It looks like a cal/mag issue to me also... I use cal/mag at 1 tsp per gallon with every watering... Good morning Sara.....:circle-of-love:
 
:MoreNutes: beautiful day with beautiful flower...inside there is a beautiful mind.:green_heart:
Here's a shot of my auto Sugar Mango at day 52 under a 96x3w reflector....:circle-of-love:
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:yahoo: nice set-up, thanks for sharing, db.:cheertwo: Wish your have a great grow!:circle-of-love:
do you growers think my scrog is ready to switch to flower this plant is in day #44 of veg so far I just got done doing a bunch of leaf tucking and training with the pipe cleaners the light it is under is a mars II 700 24x24 scrog 8 inches above the top of the pot in a 32x32x63 tent and thanks fellow mars hydro growers


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Hi Uncle, I am sorry that Sun Series is not in production. You are maybe one of the few who have ordered the Sun Series. :bigblush: The thing is like this. Sun Series doesn't have a good sales. The factory will manufacture certain amount of the light according to the previous sales volume. Sun Series has poor sales even though it's a very good light, which is also the reason why we choose to upgrade it. :hugs:
The new function is an attempt. As the tech develops fast, many growers may have a chance to benefit from it. It will make grow more covenient with the remote control and save more as the control can test the humidity and temp itself. :Namaste:
Hehe, actually more customers begin to miss Sun Series when it stops production, haha, maybe the executive department will reconsider to produce it. And Uncle, thanks the advice for the customer support.:) We will keep it in mind.:Namaste:
Hey there :420: friends. I'd like to share my recent experience regarding light penetration with 2 different types of Mars-Hydro LED offerings.

A few months ago I purchased 4 of the Sun Series at the high introductory price offering and am just now finishing my first run with them. I'm very satisfied with the results but out of curiosity I purchased 4 of the newly upgraded Reflectors with the 5 watt diodes to compare with before purchasing more of the Sun Series. After putting the Sun Series side by side with the Reflector Series the Sun Series is the clear winner even though the Sun Series has 3 watt diodes and the the new Reflectors have 5 watt diodes. It's not even a close comparison.
I do not have a LUX or PAR meter to provide anyone with actual numbers but I can tell you all that the Sun Series are WAY brighter and have much better penetration than the Reflector Series.

Now comes the disappointing part.
Because of the success of my trial grow with Sun Series and the comparison with the Reflectors I wanted to purchase 2 more of the Sun Series to complete my LED lighting plan in my flowering tent.
Unfortunately I'm being told that the Sun Series is no longer available but there are new and improved models on the way with a bunch of useless features like remote control and custom light spectrum adjustment. Of course the price will be more than the Sun Series that had just come out and are now being phased out.
In addition, all of these useless features are just something else that has the potential for failure which will likely result in a less reliable light.
I don't know about you folks but I have no need to be able turn my lights on and off from another room in my home... The remote will likely end up pulling disappearing acts just like my TV remote does too.

Keep it simple Mars-Hydro (KISS). If you think you have complaints about failing diodes with your Mars II and Reflectors just wait until those remote adjustable spectrum lights hit the market. I hope that you're planning to upgrade your customer support department in time for the introduction of your "new and improved" Sun Series Pro.
 
Hi Uncle, I am sorry that Sun Series is not in production. You are maybe one of the few who have ordered the Sun Series. :bigblush: The thing is like this. Sun Series doesn't have a good sales. The factory will manufacture certain amount of the light according to the previous sales volume. Sun Series has poor sales even though it's a very good light, which is also the reason why we choose to upgrade it. :hugs:
The new function is an attempt. As the tech develops fast, many growers may have a chance to benefit from it. It will make grow more covenient with the remote control and save more as the control can test the humidity and temp itself. :Namaste:
Hehe, actually more customers begin to miss Sun Series when it stops production, haha, maybe the executive department will reconsider to produce it. And Uncle, thanks the advice for the customer support.:) We will keep it in mind.:Namaste:

Sara,
I understand the part about keeping pace with technology and have no issues with an upgrade such as using an upgraded brand diode (CREE vs Epistar) as long as something like this can be offered at a good price point.
If your executives were to do a bit of market research with your current customer base I think that they would find that your existing customer base as well as most future potential customers are looking for the following:
1. A reliable light that provides good results at a good price point.
2. A no frills light without a lot of fancy features that would drive up the price but provide very limited benefit to their grow.
3. A light that is as light weight as possible without useless features that would increase the weight.
4. A light that offers good PAR values.
5. A locally mounted on/off power switch.
6. A female and male power socket to allow daisy chaining of more than one light.
7. An effective light spread that matches the dimensions of the most common grow tent sizes on the market (3'x3', 4'x4', etc..).
8. Good cooling system to keep tent temps down.

Here are my unfiltered thoughts regarding some of the upgrades to the Sun Series.
Humidity and temp sensors -
I want to know temp and humidity at the canopy of my plants, not at the light which will be at least 18" away. I would not trust that the temp or humidity would be accurate since the sensor(s) would likely be reading lamp inlet or exhaust air temp and humidity and not true tent temps and humidity where it matters most, at the plant area.

Remote Control -
One look at the youtube video showing Co'sFinest fumbling around with that remote with the buttons all configured backwards should clearly explain why I do not want a light with a remote control.
Due to the youtube video your sales volume may already be doomed. I for one do not want any part of this remote control stuff.

Custom Light Spectrum Adjustment -
Your typical customer is not knowledgeable enough about how light spectrums effect plant growth to get any benefit from this feature. In fact this feature will likely be the root cause of some botched grow attempts which could cause some first time growers to give up and never try their hand at growing again.
Give your customers a good standard flowering light spectrum that is proven to work.

At risk of ruffling a few feathers I'm going to give you my thoughts about the dismal sales numbers for the Sun Series.
The light is designed for a 36"x36" area but the youtube video test grow that was posted by CO's Finest was done with a 5'x5' scrog with the light set higher than than recommended to accommodate for the large SCROG net.
In addition, he added another light to supplement the red color spectrum. More red spectrum was added before the light was officially introduced but the seeds of concern were well planted with that youtube video. I for one almost didn't purchase the Sun Series because of that video. It was only because of your insistence that the problem was remedied that I agreed to purchase my lights.

When most folks see a video of a test grow that results in lots of larfy buds and lack of red light spectrum which cause problems with trich development they will assume that the light is not effective, hence lack of sales.
Not to diss on Co Finest as he is a very experienced grower with mad grow skills and in the video he did explain his reasons for using a larger scrog and about the light distance and all but IMHO he should test your lights based on their design.
In addition, you may consider not allowing testers to post videos of test grows with R&D lights that are not yet perfected. Like I mentioned earlier, that video was a real turn off for me and almost prevented me from giving the Sun Series a try.

Apologies for the rant and the negative vibes about your new Sun Series Pro offering. Please ask that your management reconsider their decision to phase out the Sun Series. The Sun Series is an awesome light and at $360 USD was being offered at a good price point. Surely sales would have improved given enough time for first time users of this light to post some successful grows to counter the current youtube video that was done with the R&D light with lack of red spectrum.
 
Sara,
Will the new Sun Series Pro LED's be phased out within 4 months after being offered like the original Sun Series?

I hope that that offering a new model light then phasing it out of production 4 months later with a new and improved model to replace it is not your management teams idea of keeping up with technology. If it is you may want to inform them that this is a big time turn off for customers.
 
Hello Mars hydro family, here is my weekly update of the grow under the mars reflector 144x5! and im sorry to here the sun series is no longer being made as i was very interested in trying one of the lights. sara if you do have any of them left please PM me!

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and also the weekly video if you guys wanna get a better look at what's going on with the grow!
 
Morning Sara

I must say that in some ways I have to agree with UncleCannabis. The location of temp/humidity sensors is of concern. Temp/humidity can vary quite a bit between the floor and the light. Temp/humidity at the canopy and below the canopy are of more concern to us as growers as this is where problems can occur that will affect our plants. I use remote sensors so I can check on the girls during lights out, but they are place at canopy height and a second one sitting on the soil.

Having a "PRO" series is great for professional growers and those with extra money to spend on new technology who want to experiment with different light settings etc, but for the average grower who grows for there own use or for a few friends (which most of us are) you should retain a base model (Sun Series) without all the bells and whistles that is affordable to the average grower.
 
I also agree a remote control is very near useless to most of us. UncleCannabis is right about the important features IMHO
 
Sara, I also agree with UncleCannabis. Trendy features that offer nothing to the grower are useless features that drive up the price. I've wasted a lot of growing time using the veg setting on the reflector series. Questions about this to other growers using the same light resulted in a unanimous answer;everyone is using the veg & bloom settings simultaneously during the veg cycle. Why wouldn't your tech folks figure that out for themselves before introducing the light to the market and save the money on an additional switching mechanism? What would really raise some eyebrows is perhaps throwing in a set of YoYo's with each light. No R&D involved, no testing to do, no market analysis. Things like that would set Mars way above their competitors and would certainly increase sales. People love the little give-aways and for an investment of say...$6.00, you would reap much more in rewards. And that is something everyone NEEDS with their light. It's like trying to sell a car without tires. The money saved from that remote control and all the sensors would surely pay for the yoyo's.
Please don't think negative about all this constructive criticism. In fact, you should feel privileged to receive both good and bad feedback. These are real life conditions from real growers not a lab in a controlled environment. Thanks for giving us the opportunity to offer our comments.
 
Hello Mars hydro family, here is my weekly update of the grow under the mars reflector 144x5! and im sorry to here the sun series is no longer being made as i was very interested in trying one of the lights. sara if you do have any of them left please PM me!

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and also the weekly video if you guys wanna get a better look at what's going on with the grow!


Lovely looking foxtails bro! What strain is that by the way ? It looks to me to be a sativa or sativa leaning.
 
Sara,
I understand the part about keeping pace with technology and have no issues with an upgrade such as using an upgraded brand diode (CREE vs Epistar) as long as something like this can be offered at a good price point.
If your executives were to do a bit of market research with your current customer base I think that they would find that your existing customer base as well as most future potential customers are looking for the following:
1. A reliable light that provides good results at a good price point.
2. A no frills light without a lot of fancy features that would drive up the price but provide very limited benefit to their grow.
3. A light that is as light weight as possible without useless features that would increase the weight.
4. A light that offers good PAR values.
5. A locally mounted on/off power switch.
6. A female and male power socket to allow daisy chaining of more than one light.
7. An effective light spread that matches the dimensions of the most common grow tent sizes on the market (3'x3', 4'x4', etc..).
8. Good cooling system to keep tent temps down.

Here are my unfiltered thoughts regarding some of the upgrades to the Sun Series.
Humidity and temp sensors -
I want to know temp and humidity at the canopy of my plants, not at the light which will be at least 18" away. I would not trust that the temp or humidity would be accurate since the sensor(s) would likely be reading lamp inlet or exhaust air temp and humidity and not true tent temps and humidity where it matters most, at the plant area.

Remote Control -
One look at the youtube video showing Co'sFinest fumbling around with that remote with the buttons all configured backwards should clearly explain why I do not want a light with a remote control.
Due to the youtube video your sales volume may already be doomed. I for one do not want any part of this remote control stuff.

Custom Light Spectrum Adjustment -
Your typical customer is not knowledgeable enough about how light spectrums effect plant growth to get any benefit from this feature. In fact this feature will likely be the root cause of some botched grow attempts which could cause some first time growers to give up and never try their hand at growing again.
Give your customers a good standard flowering light spectrum that is proven to work.

At risk of ruffling a few feathers I'm going to give you my thoughts about the dismal sales numbers for the Sun Series.
The light is designed for a 36"x36" area but the youtube video test grow that was posted by CO's Finest was done with a 5'x5' scrog with the light set higher than than recommended to accommodate for the large SCROG net.
In addition, he added another light to supplement the red color spectrum. More red spectrum was added before the light was officially introduced but the seeds of concern were well planted with that youtube video. I for one almost didn't purchase the Sun Series because of that video. It was only because of your insistence that the problem was remedied that I agreed to purchase my lights.

When most folks see a video of a test grow that results in lots of larfy buds and lack of red light spectrum which cause problems with trich development they will assume that the light is not effective, hence lack of sales.
Not to diss on Co Finest as he is a very experienced grower with mad grow skills and in the video he did explain his reasons for using a larger scrog and about the light distance and all but IMHO he should test your lights based on their design.
In addition, you may consider not allowing testers to post videos of test grows with R&D lights that are not yet perfected. Like I mentioned earlier, that video was a real turn off for me and almost prevented me from giving the Sun Series a try.

Apologies for the rant and the negative vibes about your new Sun Series Pro offering. Please ask that your management reconsider their decision to phase out the Sun Series. The Sun Series is an awesome light and at $360 USD was being offered at a good price point. Surely sales would have improved given enough time for first time users of this light to post some successful grows to counter the current youtube video that was done with the R&D light with lack of red spectrum.

I agree with UncleCannabis here Sara. I originally applied to be a tester of the Sun Series as I liked the look of what I saw and I thought that it would be along the same pricing range as your Mars II series. If I had known that they were available at $360 I would have just bought a couple (there wasn't even a pricing option for the UK just a "coming soon" ). I've been watching UncleCannabis' grow with interest and have been waiting patiently for their release.
Now the new light is being released and I'm underwhelmed with both the features and the price point, you could be missing some sales here. I've been very impressed with the Mars II series, not so much so with the Reflectors although I know that a lot of other people love theirs. To me the Sun Series would have filled that gap and I could have done away with my Reflectors on their release but I just can't justify the outlay prices for the new Pro Series. I'm sure some people will, but around $1000 buys me two more Mars II rather than one new light with a remote control.
Maybe you could consider bringing the Sun Series back (if they're at $360 you could just take my money NOW :) ) for the people that want to buy in at a more reasonable price range and keep the Mars Pro series for those that need/want the extra features and are prepared to spend more. This way you keep customers like me that want to try a decent LED that works for a great price as well as expanding your sales base to the premium users.

I wish you all the best whichever choices you make with your business, but please don't let the idea of making the light that can do everything detract from the fact that there are still a lot of people that want a good solid basic product for not too much of an initial cost. Seriously, if you have any of the Sun Series lying around send them my way, at $360 apiece you have my attention. All the best :thumb:
 
Im now thinking and planning for my next grow as I want to try out the Mars II 700w and see how it performs, and its going to be strictly an LED grow with no other light source, but I have a bit of a dilemma here. I want to see how the Mars performs but my dilemma is whether or not to also put in my Vipar V300 (actual draw 180w) LED in there for the flowering stage. I know the Mars purists will probably wag a disapproving finger but at the end of the day more light means more buds. Hmm, tricky, tricky.
 
Im now thinking and planning for my next grow as I want to try out the Mars II 700w and see how it performs, and its going to be strictly an LED grow with no other light source, but I have a bit of a dilemma here. I want to see how the Mars performs but my dilemma is whether or not to also put in my Vipar V300 (actual draw 180w) LED in there for the flowering stage. I know the Mars purists will probably wag a disapproving finger but at the end of the day more light means more buds. Hmm, tricky, tricky.

I don't think you would hurt anybody's feelings by adding the other light. If your goal is the best harvest then add the other light. Obviously, if you are trying to compare then you don't want to do that. :peace:
 
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