Mars-Hydro LED Grow Light Discussion

Shot a little video today.... @SmokeSara
Check out them 250's

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Oooooh Weeeeee! Just what the doctor ordered! By far, the easiest/healthiest grows I've had since I started growing.

HUUUUUUGE shoutout to MARS on these bars! (Poet & didn't even know it)
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Peace out y'all... Green Daze!
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I just watched the video. Super cool to get updates of videos, and hope the buds will growing big and dense soon. :blunt::blunt:
 
At first, I thought he is going to talk about the difference between TS 1000 and the other light, then I found out, he is actually want to talk about the SP-250.
So get a right coverage light is more important. :D
 
As still there are many misunderstandings on our SP-250 and SP-200, I would like to make an explaination again.
- At first Mars Hydro decided to make the light at 200w, because at 200w, the light efficiency is the highest. So we make all the stickers and instruction manu for 200w version, and name the light SP-200
- The first shipment to our warehouses around world ship out;
- We found out the factory actually make the lights to 250w;
- We did a survey, and ppl seems like bigger wattage more;
- We change the name to SP 250. and afterwards the productsion lights are around 230w.

So, if you received the light with stickers SP 200, it is the same light as the SP 250; But the info is not correct ones, because the light wattage actually is not 200w, but 230 or 250w. You can contact us for the correct info.

 
Sorry I open this one late, I must be high ~
Anyway, please kindly check out the new one :lot-o-toke:
 
Mars Hydro TSL-2000: Grow Update & Interim Review

Remember the goal of this grow is to produce seed, not maximizing plant size and bud production. One branch on each plant of each of the three strains (Sapphire Scout, Candida, and Cream & Cheese) has been treated with STS (silver thiosulfate) to force them into production of all-female pollen. The two untreated plants have been moved to my other tent, and continue vegging out. Today was the start of 12/12 lighting and the stretch for the treated plants. Here is the tent today:

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Plants Under the Mars Hydro TSL-2000 at the Start of the Stretch

The Mars Hydro TSL-2000 has out-performed the King X6 Dimmable 1800W COB LED Grow Light I used for my previous grows during the vegetative stage of growth. Both lights draw close to the same amount of power. The TSL-2000 draws 300.8W, while the X6 draws 315W. The Mars Hydro TSL-2000 is longer at 39.9" (1m) while the X6 is 15.8" (402mm), with the COBs covering less than 12" (300mm). What this means for us as growers is that the TSL-2000 provides a more even light intensity from side to side in the tent. In other words, the plants at the sides of the tent get close to the same amount of light as those under the center of the light.

The nodes are tight, and growth has far outpaced that of the plants I've grown under the X6. Both lights cost close to the same, with the X6 being $10 USD more expensive. I highly recommend the TS series of lights for the vegetative stage of growth. Remember, I have not reached the flowering stage yet, so I can't comment on its performance during that stage.

Improvements that could be made to the TS series of lights:
  • Individual power switches for each power supply;
  • bring the intensity adjustment out of the power supplies; and
  • add a level to the light's long axis.
The intensity controls are accessed through a cover on the two power supplies. This makes them difficult to access after the light has been installed. They are more of a 'set and forget' control than one that can be used to adjust the light's intensity throughout the grow.

There is no power switch on the light. It would be nice to have a separate power switch for each power supply. During parts of a grow (seedling, early veg) the plants have a much smaller footprint than just before harvest.

Both of these come into play for a light that is used from seed through harvest. At the seedling through early vegetative stages only half of the light is usually needed, and a much lower intensity can be used. As the plants are up-potted both sides of the light are needed, but the intensity of the light does not need to be at it's maximum. At the lower intensity the light can be positioned closer to the canopy. The control for the intensity can be a single potentiometer, or two potentiometers sharing the same shaft.

A level on the light would make it easy to adjust the height above the canopy. With two hangers for the light often one end of the fixture will be higher than the other. I currently use a level to keep it even, but it would be nice to have one built-in.

Suggestions on how to implement these improvements:
1. Modify the power supplies so that an external control can be plugged into them (3mm audio jacks).

2. Kit #1: Remote Power Supplies. This would include a mounting plate for the power supplies, and extension cables for the power supply to LED circuit board. The cable should be at least three meters in length. One end should be two cables 50cm long followed by a single coiled cable that stretches to a one meter length. followed by single cable without the coil, and connectors for the cables from the power supply. The coiled cable would keep it out of the way, and the tent looking neat.

3. Kit # 2: Extra Controls. This would have the power switches and intensity controls mounted in a connection box. Pig tails would be provided that plug into the the power supplies modified as per #1 to control the intensity. Power connections would be a screw terminal style making it easy for those without electrical experience to make the connections.

Note on heat:
The light does get hot, as there are no cooling fans. Whether fans are used or not, the light will produce the same amount of heat. With the fans some folks have installed, the heat is drawn away from the light; BUT the same amount of heat is put into your tent. I'm certain the engineers at Mars Hydro have taken this into consideration when designing these lights. The higher temperatures will still be within tolerances for a long life.

Overall I'm very pleased with the Mars Hydro TSL-2000. It has performed very well during the vegetative stage, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it does during flowering. Whether you have one of these lights, or not, please help our sponsor Mars Hydro by commenting on my suggestions.
have to agree on the capabikities of these lights. it is knocking spots off my old hps rig so far. I am 5 days into transition ( stretch) and the lights are keeping them very happy and lively without making them stretch too much. seeing how much they helped with veg growth , i worried they would go too vertical and drag the node spacing with it but they have been so steady and i now have the first signs of sex on a few of the 9 growing. This is the quickest i have seen in decades of growing !!. Only change to my grow environment has been the lights. I am quadlining so expect yield based on that method but the regrowth from defol and rapidly changing cycle has me elayed i finally took the plunge. We are on similar timescales so should be great for which is the lights effects and which is method used. Buds are buds despite our lst ect..
I like the sound of your improvements and can see the benefits of them but concern would be additional costs. Pricing now makes them so affordable for such great tech and results. Price increases could put potential customers off and assume that they are buying just another expensive led gadget. hope that makes sense. I know i didnt notice one of the power packs leads had dropped out as the whole panel was lit i thought , ince i pkugged it in i realised how much more it illuminates. would only 1 plugged in not lower the intensity to germ/early veg the same as a dial to lower both ?. some.of your suggestions lost me in tech but i am a dinosaur of hps. lol
Heres my ladies at day 4 of flip ( transition to flower period) light penetration is great even with the thick canopy. Go Mars
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Pricing now makes them so affordable for such great tech and results. Price increases could put potential customers off and assume that they are buying just another expensive led gadget. hope that makes sense. I know i didnt notice one of the power packs leads had dropped out as the whole panel was lit i thought , ince i pkugged it in i realised how much more it illuminates. would only 1 plugged in not lower the intensity to germ/early veg the same as a dial to lower both ?. some.of your suggestions lost me in tech but i am a dinosaur of hps. lol

I tried to stay aware of pricing. That's why I suggested the kits. I didn't include in my suggestions that these should be an add-on to the basic light. Not everyone would want them, and they could be added at a later date. All that would be needed at the basic light is the modification to the power supplies. That should be doable for about $5.00 USD for the consumer. The add-on kits would be another revenue stream for Mars Hydro.

When starting seedlings or clones I usually have less than a flat. Disconnecting one of the LED panels would cut the power in half, but the other would still be running at full power and the fixture would need to be 30" (75cm) or more above the flat. This wastes power. If we dropped to 12" (30cm) we'd still cover the area needed, but could drop the power to 16% or less for the same intensity. In other words, during the seedling stage the light would only consume 8% of the 300W, or 24W. Over a period of three weeks with 18/6 lighting the power requirements would drop from 113.4KWh to 9.1KWh. At a power cost of $0.15/KWh that's a savings of $15.65.

During the vegetative stage, both sides of the light would be required. By lowering the light to 12" from the recommended 24" we can dial down the light to 25% or 75W. Assuming a six week vegetative stage, at full power the light would consume 226KWh. At 25% of full power, this drops to 56.7KWh, and at the $0.15 that's a savings of $25.40.

What it all boils down to is that at my power rates I'd save over $40 per grow with these suggested kits. I'd gladly pay $50 USD / $67 CAD for both kits combined, as I'd see a return on my investment within two grows.

For those using air conditioners in their tents the savings would be even higher.
 
Hi Sara,

I am going to be flipping the SP-150s in the 3x3 MarsHydro tent in 11-Days! I have the girls a big defoliation today and turned on the 3rd SP-150! Let’s crank up this grow show!






Also the Purple Gorilla Autoflowers are loving the SP-150 lights and have some beautiful buds covered in a thick layer of trichomes! I took some Closeups today










I’m really excited to see these girls in the 3x3 flower out under the 3x SP-150!

Fun times ahead and I’ll be sure to post on the regular as we progress!!
looking beautiful . nice and full to the edges too. will be a frosty party on there.
 
Good afternoon all. Looking for light suggestions on new set up. I’ve grown with mh and hps with wonderful results but would like to switch to led. I like the new lights from Mars. I am growing in a 2’-4’-6’. Thanks

First of all - :welcome: to the forum!

My wife won a Mars Hydro TSL-2000 in their contest here a little over a month ago. I'm using it in one of my 2' X 4' (60cm X 120cm) tents. Seeing is believing, so check it out for yourself in my current grow journal. I wrote a post for the unboxing and installation, and another as an interim review. I just flipped to flower, so a full review is not available yet. The links to my journal, and the posts I've mentioned are in my signature block.
 
Thanks Old Salt. Liking the light. Will be purchasing soon. Does mars ship stealthy? Some pics of my last grow. All auto’s. Fast buds-gc-wc-lsd25 and Dinafem wwxxl.
 

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They have a warehouses around the world. One is in the USA, another in Canada. I can't remember if the packaging was marked as to the contents. It wasn't important to me as I'm legally growing. @SmokeSara should have a better answer for you.
 
have to agree on the capabikities of these lights. it is knocking spots off my old hps rig so far. I am 5 days into transition ( stretch) and the lights are keeping them very happy and lively without making them stretch too much. seeing how much they helped with veg growth , i worried they would go too vertical and drag the node spacing with it but they have been so steady and i now have the first signs of sex on a few of the 9 growing. This is the quickest i have seen in decades of growing !!. Only change to my grow environment has been the lights. I am quadlining so expect yield based on that method but the regrowth from defol and rapidly changing cycle has me elayed i finally took the plunge. We are on similar timescales so should be great for which is the lights effects and which is method used. Buds are buds despite our lst ect..
I like the sound of your improvements and can see the benefits of them but concern would be additional costs. Pricing now makes them so affordable for such great tech and results. Price increases could put potential customers off and assume that they are buying just another expensive led gadget. hope that makes sense. I know i didnt notice one of the power packs leads had dropped out as the whole panel was lit i thought , ince i pkugged it in i realised how much more it illuminates. would only 1 plugged in not lower the intensity to germ/early veg the same as a dial to lower both ?. some.of your suggestions lost me in tech but i am a dinosaur of hps. lol
Heres my ladies at day 4 of flip ( transition to flower period) light penetration is great even with the thick canopy. Go Mars
20190703_110751.jpg
20190703_105659.jpg
20190703_105643.jpg
20190703_105458.jpg
20190703_105447.jpg
20190702_155542.jpg
Thank you so much for the complication, I am so happy that help you get the right lights and help you grow faster and better. :theband: And you are right, there are some reasons inside to make the light more affordable for more clients. But I will also let our engineer know the advices as well, try to make the lights with more advantages while still stay the affordable price. :surf:
 
I tried to stay aware of pricing. That's why I suggested the kits. I didn't include in my suggestions that these should be an add-on to the basic light. Not everyone would want them, and they could be added at a later date. All that would be needed at the basic light is the modification to the power supplies. That should be doable for about $5.00 USD for the consumer. The add-on kits would be another revenue stream for Mars Hydro.
Mars Hydro official website only sell the one with standard pack, light and hangers. No other stuff, I also agree with you, those stuff usually are not really important, especial when someone wants to buy more than one pack, the additional kits will be a waste there. So that is why we only sell the normal ones in our official stores. ebay, amazon has more new growers which wants to get more stuff, and they will sell kits like these.
 
Good afternoon all. Looking for light suggestions on new set up. I’ve grown with mh and hps with wonderful results but would like to switch to led. I like the new lights from Mars. I am growing in a 2’-4’-6’. Thanks
Hi Dsbuds, thanks for reaching out, you can try our SP-250, it will fits your space very well and give you great result. :green_heart: It is white color but full spectrum light with a PPE around 2.35~2.58umol/j, help you save more energy and get great result as well.


 
First of all - :welcome: to the forum!

My wife won a Mars Hydro TSL-2000 in their contest here a little over a month ago. I'm using it in one of my 2' X 4' (60cm X 120cm) tents. Seeing is believing, so check it out for yourself in my current grow journal. I wrote a post for the unboxing and installation, and another as an interim review. I just flipped to flower, so a full review is not available yet. The links to my journal, and the posts I've mentioned are in my signature block.
Thank you Old Salt, and Higherthehigh, we now have several units that can fits his space. all will give great results :surf:
This will be my first LED grow with the Mars Hydro 720 (I think it's 280w actual draw), I think one of them has died so there will be 8 under the light, hoping to get 1g per watt or somewhere near.

Flowering off in 3L pots :).


Wow, thank you higher for sharing here as well. You right the reflector 144 is also great for that coverage. :D
 
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