Lootz Returns! Multi-Tent Grow In Soil With LED COBs & LM301H

Yep.. I imagine each day you walk in and think “sonnofabitch it was overwatering” as you see each of the plants raising back up.. The swollen leaves are already damaged so those won’t change but your new growth will look better and better. I will always recommend leaving at least a few of the damaged leaves. The reason for this is, any time the plant has a nutrient need it will go for the damaged leaves first. This will give you a heads up.. Also.. just because the leaf is damaged doesn’t mean it can’t photosynthesize, and doesn’t mean it can’t store resources, so they’re still good even if they are ugly lol. Extra airflow is always good just remember that those leaves are your power plants.. They’re doing all the work so if there’s not a great benefit to removing them, it’s better just to leave (lol pun) them. You’re in your garden so you know whether the airflow and penetration is more important or not.

Also in regards to FG.. here’s my take on it:
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I only use sticky traps and airflow.. This is enough to keep their numbers down to a level where they’re beneficial without being harmful
ABSOLUTELY MY THOUGHTS! :rofl: :rofl::rofl:
Especially after looking back at what was causing me to believe I was drying out so quickly. It all could have been avoided so easily If I woulda just took a breathe and let them breathe :laughtwo:

I was on their ass like flies to shit driving them waaaaay too hard.
Easy does it from here on out.
 
Ha! I'll bet you wouldn't make that offer on any other canna site. ;)
Absolutely not! That's why I'm here.
Not to say there isn't good people documenting and discussing real information elsewhere it's just not the same vibe.
 
Updated Pictures and a quick follow up to all the things going on.

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I checked on the ladies and they didn't have that same look they had a day ago or so. It was a little discouraging actually.
I only live with them part time :laughtwo: so I expect a little more excitement since they haven't seen me, and I do so much for them :rofl:
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I decided that I should probably mix up some nutrients as it's been 9 days since transplanting them into bigger pots for the ladies in 2-gal pots.
They have had no water since then and it will be 10 days by the time, they get this feeding.
The CC in 3 gallons shouldn't need water for maybe even longer than that.
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I am letting them go another day and letting the water aerate for 24 hours.
As I mentioned before I can brew a tea or aerate my solution as recommended. But my equipment was being tied up for clones. Seeing as how we went 4 of 4 I'm happy with the results but don't need so much space taken up for the cloner.
I decided to downsize a bit. I wanted to use the same pump and air stones for my nutrient solution but also keep my clone in the process.
I took my 1QT container and put 4 3in net cups into it to create a false floor and reservoir.
I drilled 2 holes in the side of the cup to put the airlines with 2 small air stones in the bottom and filled it with about 300ml of my cloning solution. EXACT same concept as before just MUCH smaller scale.
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I can only do maybe 3 RR in here and that would be pushing it.
With this I can keep the clone inside the tent under the lights and the nutrient solution outside bubbling.
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I moved the CC1 under the cobs to recover. she takes up a bit of space in the 2x4 now that she's in the 3-Gal pot. Until she recovers, I elected to make more space for the others.
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With the cloning bucket out of the way I was able to make more room overall, but I still moved her under the cobs as there's just so much more space in that tent.
My oscillating fan for the 4x3 didn't come in says tomorrow by 6 now so I should be receiving the rest of the stuff by tomorrow night and that tent will be fully operational.

The PH pen came in.
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The instructions said it was already calibrated it definitely wasn't. NBD took a few minutes but I'm very confident with our testing accuracy now.

Tomorrow at lights on I will be feeding them at half strength. Thats what I mixed up tonight for them I noticed a slight burn on some pf them while they recovered so to be safe, I mixed up 50% and well increase as we lead up to flower.
The only nutrient I mixed up normally was cal/mag. I put 2 gals in my bucket followed the schedule for 1 gall full strength but doubled up on the Cal/mag as we were doubled up on water, to compensate for being R/o.
I will let it aerate and then adjust tomorrow just before feeding.
If everything gets here tomorrow, I should be able to set it up quickly feed them and then stand back again as I will finally feel confident were back on track.

I raised the lights in both tents about 4 clicks to compensate them reaching just a bit. just aiming for the sweet spot.
I put the cobs on an old timer for now tomorrow everything should be on A/c controllers and dialed in exactly as we want

Other than that, very excited about what's happening especially in the SIP journal! Check it out if you've yet too! should be tons to follow along with right from the jump!

Thank you for your time and thank you for stopping by!
 
I decided to downsize a bit. I wanted to use the same pump and air stones for my nutrient solution but also keep my clone in the process.
I took my 1QT container and put 4 3in net cups into it to create a false floor and reservoir.
I drilled 2 holes in the side of the cup to put the airlines with 2 small air stones in the bottom and filled it with about 300ml of my cloning solution. EXACT same concept as before just MUCH smaller scale.
Ah, 1L cloner. Now you're talking my scale. I'm going to setup my 1L bubble cloner this weekend. It's a 4 holer but since I only need one every 6 weeks and the success of these things is legendary, I'll have 4, 10 day shots at making it work.

Looking good Lootz. Just like kids. Sometimes no matter how hard we try they just don't appreciate our efforts. :laughtwo:
 
Damn Lootz these plants are looking better and better every day! I suggest a moisture meter if you don’t have one.. I picked up a digital moisture meter for 15 bucks from my grow shop and it helped me so much to understand the wet dry cycle and my water table. I still use it to this day when I’m not fully confident.

The plant will give signals a day or two before she wilts.. She’ll smell a bit more than usual and her lower leaves will wilt just slightly. This is hard to see when they’ve been overwatered but as your new growth comes in and your leaves get healthier it will be much, much easier to see.

I’m excited for you, everything seems to be falling into place!
 

Day 35​

Quick update it’s new years so I’ll keep it pretty quick.

After the feeding yesterday the plants look amazing!
this is the kind of warm welcome I expect to see when I open the tent

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The CC 2 in the back did not get watered yesterday it is still recovering from transplant into the 3Gal and is on her dry out period.
The timing out feeding was 10 days until the pots were completely light.
I think we got it right this time and their response shows as much.
We will now aim for another 10 days, obviously they should be drier before then if they are drinking water and it seems like they are.

I backed the lights off some more as well.
Just got the feeling I was still too close haven’t tested the par yet but higher is better until I can check

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Here are a couple of solo shots to bring us into the new year I will post an in depth review with 1 on 1 in the coming days

For now happy New Year and thank you for stopping by!


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Day 35​

Quick update it’s new years so I’ll keep it pretty quick.

After the feeding yesterday the plants look amazing!
this is the kind of warm welcome I expect to see when I open the tent

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The CC 2 in the back did not get watered yesterday it is still recovering from transplant into the 3Gal and is on her dry out period.
The timing out feeding was 10 days until the pots were completely light.
I think we got it right this time and their response shows as much.
We will now aim for another 10 days, obviously they should be drier before then if they are drinking water and it seems like they are.

I backed the lights off some more as well.
Just got the feeling I was still too close haven’t tested the par yet but higher is better until I can check

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Here are a couple of solo shots to bring us into the new year I will post an in depth review with 1 on 1 in the coming days

For now happy New Year and thank you for stopping by!


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Happy new year bro, what a sight! They've got better and better once the CC2 perks up it will be like nothing happened 👌🏼
 
Happy New Year Lootz! I appreciate your in-depth updates so I look forward to seeing your update in a few days!
HNY! I plan on starting that update tonight and tomorrow. I’ll post it as soon as I cross my T’s and dot my I’s
 
Happy new year bro, what a sight! They've got better and better once the CC2 perks up it will be like nothing happened 👌🏼
Same to you! They’ve definitely turned around it’s taking it’s time but is also in a 3 gal pot so she’s drying out hopefully the CC1 can turn around that will be the real success story!
 
I’m so proud of you I could cry Bootz
😂 <— see 🤣

I can already tell you’ll become a master gardener. You know how and when to ask for help, you know how and when to listen, you don’t quit, and you have an attention to detail that rivals mine which is exceedingly rare, especially in our fast paced times. These characteristics are requirements to be able to separate yourself from really good and really great, and you have them in spades.

Keep up the great work! I know personally how hard it was to back off and simply watch, and not just throw in the towel and restart. (3 ands in one sentence, I really do need a thesaurus 😂)
 

Day 39 (Day 38 Pics)​


As you can see today at lights on will be day 39. The pictures tho are from my time spent last night in the garden at day 38.
I will do a picture update tonight when I get updated photos of them.
(Sorry if that bit is confusing trust me it's confusing for me trying to keep up with it :laughtwo:)

So, for not being able to peek in on them as much as I would like I feel we're doing pretty well.
They were last watered on Friday 12/30. Today at lights on will be 5 days since they were last watered.
Last night (4 days since being watered) they seemed to have the "droop" and the pots felt pretty light. I didn't water.

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I hadn't seen them in them in 24 hours at this point and I was excited to see all the growth. But there was alot of work to be done now that things have started to pick up.
And with limited time in the garden there was no time to waste!

The CC2 in the back has started to bounce back and hasn't had any water since she was up pot into the 3 Gal.
I've left her alone and just kind of letting her show me what she's going to do. She is in the original soil, so she will only have enough food to last a bit longer, but she will need feedings eventually. This will be her final container.
I've also decided that I won't be cloning this strain or the CC1. I'm not really a fan of this strain or at least these genotypes, I'll leave it at that. I do have more seeds of this strain but will be dropping something to replace this strain in future grows.

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However, the other strains in the garden I'm a big fan of and as they grow out, I think my favorites have begun to emerge.


I took all the plants out of the tent and did a little one on one with each of them.
I decided that all of them were ready and healthy enough to take clones from.
I took the bottom 2 nodes according to our original plan of each plant except CC 1&2
This required me to set up my original cloning bucket again. This wasn't a big deal as I have plenty of room in the 3x4 tent.
I also went ahead and cleaned up any of the lower growth that was never going to make it to the top, a light lollipop I guess as I only went up about 2 nodes per branch.



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After
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This is the plant I accidentally snapped the top nod off of. Those lower branches have come up and given her a 3 headed monster type of look.
She's pretty evenly spaced, and her lower branches have come up to the top of her canopy.
I'm not sure yet on how to continue training her. I don't know if I should top her or let her continue into flower with a bit of super cropping and let her maintain her current shape. PLEASE WEIGH IN HERE WITH OPINIONS
Although I do have clones of her, I do not think she will be the "keeper" from this strain.
Her clones are labeled yellow

Next up...

PGC 2
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CONTINUED.... (PIC LIMIT)
 
Continued

PGC2 After
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This is her bottom node and why I think she is the keeper for this strain.
Even at the very bottom away from all the light the node spacing is super tight and this happens even with the higher branches basking in the light.
These are the little nuances I love about the Veg stage, and why picking a plant with these details in mind VS a name and THC content is so much more rewarding.
As for training her I think I will need to tie her down a bit but also like her shape and have considered just letting them do their thing. But I'm open to suggestions. luckily the canopy of all the plants has stayed fairly consistent as of now so not much has been needed but I think we will need to address it going forward for sure.
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Her clones are labeled Black

Last but not least we have...

PBK2

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PBK 2 AFTER

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Much like her sister Suzanne in the SIP the genetics seems to be very similar. Aggressive under branching that reaches up to the top while she maintains the even globe shape. Tight node spacing and already with a pungent smell to her more than the others.
She will be more or less decided on whether to keep her genetics or Suzanne's after the final smoke report!

They all went back into the tent which looks much cleaner with much more light penetration reaching the soil and more air movement which is especially important in our fight against the Tiny King and his army of massively annoying FG army!

In an attempt to fight them more aggressively I foliar sprayed SNS203 at 4 TBSP/Gal very heavily.
I lowered the light intensity and increased the fan speed before letting them go back into full light again.
I will continue spraying until all of them have been vanquished or just keep to the soil, out of my face and off my plants!

I will go into far more depth on what we are doing to combat them outside of the norm in Suzannes journal as she is the reason for them to begin with. (let's just say things got a little more drastic than what I care to describe here)

Our conditions have been spot on. Outside of remembering to fill the humidifier every other day or so it has been on auto pilot.
Temps 77*
Humidity 60%
Vpd 1.1

Once dialed in the ACI controller does make managing the environment far easier.
I can also look at the historical data for when I'm away and kind of pinpoint what happened in my absence.
I've had to raise the lights a bit in response to their growth and they seem to be loving it.
I will continue to accommodate them a bit more as they grow but soon, they will be forced to stay where I'd like them to be.

I would say after taking clones and the defoil they look to be right where we want them.
My guess is that were about 2 weeks from the flip? that would put us at a 6 week veg / 7 from seed.

I would like to transplant them to 3 gal pots about 3 days before the flip. Their roots have made it through the perlite layer and are reaching through the bottom.
I think we will need to have them in 3Gal pots to make it through flower comfortably.

There does seem to be a little noticeable tip burn on a few leaves here and there. The last feeding was at 50% I will keep it there for now and wait to see if it progresses before backing off.
I do expect them to need water when I get there in a little bit and IF they do I will be giving them water and Cal/mag only!

I think now that we've addressed proper watering, which came by way of dialing in our environment.
We are really moving along now. They seem to be drinking fairly quickly and the humidity is addressed so I know were not losing the moisture in the pots to the environment or them drink TOO fast. I don't think I'm pushing them at all really.
The only thing I have not done is a Par reading and I will tonight. just to see what's what but I don't think it's an issue either way.
@Keffka I just saw you post something about PPFD and the plants being able to adjust fairly quickly to higher levels of it.
I'm not a big follower of the DLI thing that wasn't a thing yet when I was growing before. So, I try to dabble in it slowly without confusing or over complicating something fairly simple, I'm sure.
Maybe you can give us a quick DLI 101 in your journal or here.

I do have a couple more photos to post but at the limit again. :rolleyes:

Also want to mention the color coding I noted earlier. Each strain got their own zip tie or twist tie tied around the corresponding strain so I can identify them all in the same bucket. The following pictures youll see what I mean.
Also SPOILER ALERT the next pictures you see do spoil a bit in Suzannes journal BUT I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO CHECK IT OUT WHEN I POST IT SIP'PERS ESPECIALLY!

As always Thank you for your time!
And Thank you for stopping by!
 
I almost forgot I had some help in the garden…
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We’ll let her care of this one when it roots from feeding and watering to defoil topping all of it she doesn’t know it yet 😂 😉 but that’s her plant now 😂
 
As promised a couple of Day 39 Pics

They were a bit droopy still but I did not water them. They felt like they still had a bit of weight to them when I picked them up.
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Tomorrow they are getting watered with Cal/mag only. It will be day 6 since having water, if they aren't completely dry, I would figure we would be pretty close to it.
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I also realized that in another 10 days we will be 7 weeks from seed. Not counting a week of germinating and seedling stage that puts us at 6 weeks of veg exactly.
The lollipop and defoil were well timed yesterday.

Here is my thinking on the current timing.

Day 40 Water
Day 45 or 46 depending on how dry they are Transplant to 3 Gal
Day 49 Last Day of Veg
Day 50 1st day of 12/12

With this schedule I think when I water in at the transplant that will be their first feed of flower nutrients and will be at 75% strength

For some reason that all seems too perfect?! I'm optimistic tho!

The CC2 seems like she has bounced back but doesn't need water yet either. She looked very good tho and because I didnt do anything to her yesterday I decided to give her a lollipop and clean up some of the lower stuff.
She will grow to appreciate me for it Im sure.
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The other CC 1 in the other tent seems to be bouncing back as well and looking like she may pull through albeit much slower and very stunted.
I'm thinking of using her for some type of concentrate or making butter with everything she produces.
She won't be going into flower on the schedule with the other ladies. She will be on her own time.
I bent her top branches down to tell some of the lower stuff to grow up but she's taking a long while to recover. Not a huge fan of this strain or at least this seed.
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I have more gro buckets on the way as well so when we do get more cloned, we will begin working on our next round as these will be ready for flower very soon and all have short flowering times.
In the coming week I will start working on individual looks at each strain and what we can expect from them from the breeder's information and begin formulating our plan of attack accordingly.

We're getting close and in the words of Dr. Stone for any of my anime watchers "it's time to get excited!"

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