Agreed stupid. It just relaxes me most of the time and keeps me alive meds....
LMAO Cloning For Dummies
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Agreed stupid. It just relaxes me most of the time and keeps me alive meds....
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Imhigh85
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You can do that very easily without having any problems I have seen people flower under for fluorescent lights
Wastedknight
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That should read un rooted clones. Spell check is killing me.lol
I'm going to say yes it doesn't take that much lumens to grow
But second opinion is always advised in joes world..
gtrmike470
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Will 30ppm do? Or do I need to dilute something stronger?
Your correction is noted and I edited the quote to reflect this...
One assumes that they won't be unrooted for long, lol.
I've kept rooted clones alive in small disposable Styrofoam coffee cups, with very little nutrients, occasional watering, and under a couple of low-wattage CFLs, sitting on top of my medicine cabinet and directly underneath the light fixture...
...long enough to celebrate their birthdays
. Tiny plants have tiny needs. The low level of light, root restriction, et cetera kept them small. And having the (again, low-level) light source directly above kept them from stretching.
I didn't have two separate grow rooms. And I wanted to keep the strains alive for a while. So... Mini-mothers, lol.
One assumes that they won't be unrooted for long, lol.
I've kept rooted clones alive in small disposable Styrofoam coffee cups, with very little nutrients, occasional watering, and under a couple of low-wattage CFLs, sitting on top of my medicine cabinet and directly underneath the light fixture...
...long enough to celebrate their birthdays
. Tiny plants have tiny needs. The low level of light, root restriction, et cetera kept them small. And having the (again, low-level) light source directly above kept them from stretching.I didn't have two separate grow rooms. And I wanted to keep the strains alive for a while. So... Mini-mothers, lol.
SRFS
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That cool I'd only be spraying once a week plants still vegging
907skunk
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When I was redoing my clone/veg room yesterday I plugged lights into wrong outlet and they stayed on almost 2 hrs past shutoff oops....but yea I took 2 plants from seed to harvest under 4ft t5 fixture with 4100k bulbs and did pretty good
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Imhigh85
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50 PPM may work with some strains but there are some strains that are resistant to the spray until you use more the more you use the more pollen you'll get then on the other hand there are some strings that you can spray and spray and spray and spray all you want and they will never start with pollen sacs you have to go another route this is the reason that some places do not offer feminized seeds but will offer regular seeds of some strains so remember setting it at 50 there is a possibility that it may not hermaphrodite at all
Speaking of the colloidal silver spray here is a photo of 7 seeds made using the spray.
I have to admit I am pretty proud of these 7 seeds as they are from my first cross strain ever. The plant I pollinated with the spray was an outdoors plant (autoflower). On the days I would spread the pollen onto the plant I put it into a plastic bag and shook it hard. When finished I took the bag into the house and used a business card to scrape up the small amount of pollen left. This I brushed onto a very small bud on a plant (auto) flowering in my grow tent. I marked black Xs onto the leaves around the bud so I could remember which one I had attempted to pollinate. I harvested the plant day before yesterday. I segregated that one bud, and broke it apart today. SEVEN seeds I did not have at the start of the day and at $7.00 + for automatic seeds they are little gems worth at least $50
I have to admit I am pretty proud of these 7 seeds as they are from my first cross strain ever. The plant I pollinated with the spray was an outdoors plant (autoflower). On the days I would spread the pollen onto the plant I put it into a plastic bag and shook it hard. When finished I took the bag into the house and used a business card to scrape up the small amount of pollen left. This I brushed onto a very small bud on a plant (auto) flowering in my grow tent. I marked black Xs onto the leaves around the bud so I could remember which one I had attempted to pollinate. I harvested the plant day before yesterday. I segregated that one bud, and broke it apart today. SEVEN seeds I did not have at the start of the day and at $7.00 + for automatic seeds they are little gems worth at least $50
907skunk
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I do wanna learn that...right now just trying to get my rooms set up and lights figured out...feeding and schedules and blah blah blah...I will tho...baby steps
907skunk
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I gotta question for you guys with full tents or rooms...how are y'all watering them...I'm hand watering and got to thinking if I have like 8 plants in there it might be a lil hard to water like the back ones...was thinking of fabricating a watering system ...maybe with a pump and hoses going to all of em...idk I've always got ideas in my head lol
Wastedknight
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That is exactly what I am trying to do. I need to get my wife off the despensery so I can put that money into a second area. I am dreaming of a tent and led for my second area. One more question. I just drove around looking for lites. I can get grow our wide spectrum of T12 6500 bulbs. I just wanted to make sure I get the best one because I know that some times the grow light companies claims can be full of horse pucky. Thank you all for helping me take some of the guess work out of my decision making. I love this site. And the helpful people here.Your correction is noted and I edited the quote to reflect this...
One assumes that they won't be unrooted for long, lol.
I've kept rooted clones alive in small disposable Styrofoam coffee cups, with very little nutrients, occasional watering, and under a couple of low-wattage CFLs, sitting on top of my medicine cabinet and directly underneath the light fixture...
...long enough to celebrate their birthdays
I didn't have two separate grow rooms. And I wanted to keep the strains alive for a while. So... Mini-mothers, lol.
Wastedknight
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I have a rain barrel elevated with a spiget on bottom. I just let gravity do all the work for me. Also I have a hose attached to the spigot so I can reach the furthest pot.
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Imhigh85
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I use a drip system and just modify the flow with the nozzles to my specifics that I want
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Imhigh85
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They will work for what you are doing it really depends on whether it is going to be for flowering cloning or vegging
I haven't used tubes (or any type of fluorescents) for anything more than trying to fill in a shadowed area in an overly-full grow room or for light-duty vegging for years. I'll use the reptile bulbs for UV supplementation, though. I'm basically an HPS guy these days, although I used to use both HPS and MH (in various mixtures) for both vegetative and flowering phases. There's a big (/heavy, lol) LED panel in there now, and it does seem to be adequate for the task. But high-powered, high-quality LED grow light panels are pretty expensive, and (most of) the cheap ones aren't exactly high-powered or high-quality. And almost none of them come with 6" or 8" duct flanges so that the grower can hook them up to a separate ventilation run :icon_roll . Sure, you'll save a little money each month on the electric bill if you choose one that has less power consumption than the HIDs - but why would you do that, lol? I mean... If your electrical capacity allows you to run 400, 600, 1000, or 32,000 watts of HID, why wouldn't you want to run the SAME amount of LED (and I'm talking actual wattages here, not the marketing-departments' theoretical maximum of what a bunch of (for example) five-watt "class" would consume if they ever actually tried running five watts through each and every little LED in the panel (which would pretty much smoke the things approximately 1,000,000 out of 1,000,000 times it was tried :rolleyes3 ). Anyway, lol, where was I? Ranting. No, wait... If you can run a given amount of wattage, why not do so? If they're really better, then you'll end up with more bud. And, assuming that you DO run the same amount of wattage, you'll be producing the same amount of heat (since a watt of light in one's grow room is going to create approximately 3.413 BTUs per hour (250 watts creates ~853.25 BTU/hour, 600 watts creates 2,047.8 BTU/hr., et cetera) regardless of the type of lighting used. But even assuming there IS a monthly savings of electricity, how many months (years?) will it take to actually account for the price difference of the products to such an extent that there is an overall savings? And does a person expect to still be using the same LED product on that future date, lol? Because the technology is still much less mature than with HIDs, meaning that the products in the marketplace now might be eclipsed by something that comes out next year - or tomorrow afternoon.
So... I'm mostly a high-pressure sodium guy these days. They're pretty cheap. Many air-cooled reflectors are available which allow a person to segregate the heat produced by their lighting from the smell produced by their plants, with all the benefits this provides. Sure, LEDs can last up to 50,000 hours in theory, but a look at manufacturers' threads and how well (or not) they handle warranty repairs/replacements will quickly show that many of them... don't. OtOH, if I have a bulb failure at 3:00am, I can pick up a decent (good for emergency use at the very least) replacement bulb before 9:00am the same day locally. The old style C&C (aka "magnetic") ballasts could almost be used as a shield during a firefight, lol, and any local electrical supply house will carry components to quickly make repairs - and they're cheap. The newer electronic ballasts are, I'm sure, somewhat more fragile... But I have dropped my Lumatek ballast <COUGH>once or twice<COUGH>, and it still works. I can also choose to run either a 400-watt HPS bulb (at 400 watts), a 400-watt MH bulb (at 400 watts), a 250-watt HPS bulb (at 250 watts), or a 250-watt MH bulb (at 250 watts). I can choose to overdrive a 250-watt bulb slightly (10%? It's enough to notice, but not enough to harm the bulbs), and do the same thing with the 400-watt ones. I can even underdrive a 400-watt bulb at 250 watts. Although the cheap MH bulbs that I run might have a shortened life if I underdrive them by 150 watts. But still, lots of options.
And people can get HIDs (HPS especially) in many wattages, from as low as 70-watt all the way up to 1kW (and I've seen 1,500-watt HPS, but don't feel that they're very efficient for cannabis-growing purposes). I haven't personally used lower than 250-watt HID for years, but I've grown in an aluminum trash can under a 70-watt HPS, so I know it's possible. I've used 150-watt HPS, and there are plenty of pictures here of what they can produce. So... Options. Cheap. Reliable.
I've got nothing against LEDs. In fact, I want to see something great out of the industry. I want to see them become common enough that I can get a real powerhouse that consumes, IDK, 600 watts, that has duct flanges, that I can get parts for locally, cheaply, and replace the parts in just a matter of minutes. And I want to see these future products available for the (future equivalent of)... A couple hundred dollars.
I just don't really see that yet. So... I'm mostly a HPS guy these days
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907skunk
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I'm sure I'll come up with something ...I have a while before I have that many
Wastedknight
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I do really appreciate the information. I am also a hose guy. That's what I'm going under right now. But need to keep clones alive long enough for me to flower what is growing. So I can get off the despensery and put the despensery money into a second area. I was thinking led because I thought they would be cooler in a tent. But I not set on anything yet. So what ever I put in the tent, I guess I have to do some more research. Thanks again.I haven't used tubes (or any type of fluorescents) for anything more than trying to fill in a shadowed area in an overly-full grow room or for light-duty vegging for years. I'll use the reptile bulbs for UV supplementation, though. I'm basically an HPS guy these days, although I used to use both HPS and MH (in various mixtures) for both vegetative and flowering phases. There's a big (/heavy, lol) LED panel in there now, and it does seem to be adequate for the task. But high-powered, high-quality LED grow light panels are pretty expensive, and (most of) the cheap ones aren't exactly high-powered or high-quality. And almost none of them come with 6" or 8" duct flanges so that the grower can hook them up to a separate ventilation run :icon_roll . Sure, you'll save a little money each month on the electric bill if you choose one that has less power consumption than the HIDs - but why would you do that, lol? I mean... If your electrical capacity allows you to run 400, 600, 1000, or 32,000 watts of HID, why wouldn't you want to run the SAME amount of LED (and I'm talking actual wattages here, not the marketing-departments' theoretical maximum of what a bunch of (for example) five-watt "class" would consume if they ever actually tried running five watts through each and every little LED in the panel (which would pretty much smoke the things approximately 1,000,000 out of 1,000,000 times it was tried :rolleyes3 ). Anyway, lol, where was I? Ranting. No, wait... If you can run a given amount of wattage, why not do so? If they're really better, then you'll end up with more bud. And, assuming that you DO run the same amount of wattage, you'll be producing the same amount of heat (since a watt of light in one's grow room is going to create approximately 3.413 BTUs per hour (250 watts creates ~853.25 BTU/hour, 600 watts creates 2,047.8 BTU/hr., et cetera) regardless of the type of lighting used. But even assuming there IS a monthly savings of electricity, how many months (years?) will it take to actually account for the price difference of the products to such an extent that there is an overall savings? And does a person expect to still be using the same LED product on that future date, lol? Because the technology is still much less mature than with HIDs, meaning that the products in the marketplace now might be eclipsed by something that comes out next year - or tomorrow afternoon.
So... I'm mostly a high-pressure sodium guy these days. They're pretty cheap. Many air-cooled reflectors are available which allow a person to segregate the heat produced by their lighting from the smell produced by their plants, with all the benefits this provides. Sure, LEDs can last up to 50,000 hours in theory, but a look at manufacturers' threads and how well (or not) they handle warranty repairs/replacements will quickly show that many of them... don't. OtOH, if I have a bulb failure at 3:00am, I can pick up a decent (good for emergency use at the very least) replacement bulb before 9:00am the same day locally. The old style C&C (aka "magnetic") ballasts could almost be used as a shield during a firefight, lol, and any local electrical supply house will carry components to quickly make repairs - and they're cheap. The newer electronic ballasts are, I'm sure, somewhat more fragile... But I have dropped my Lumatek ballast <COUGH>once or twice<COUGH>, and it still works. I can also choose to run either a 400-watt HPS bulb (at 400 watts), a 400-watt MH bulb (at 400 watts), a 250-watt HPS bulb (at 250 watts), or a 250-watt MH bulb (at 250 watts). I can choose to overdrive a 250-watt bulb slightly (10%? It's enough to notice, but not enough to harm the bulbs), and do the same thing with the 400-watt ones. I can even underdrive a 400-watt bulb at 250 watts. Although the cheap MH bulbs that I run might have a shortened life if I underdrive them by 150 watts. But still, lots of options.
And people can get HIDs (HPS especially) in many wattages, from as low as 70-watt all the way up to 1kW (and I've seen 1,500-watt HPS, but don't feel that they're very efficient for cannabis-growing purposes). I haven't personally used lower than 250-watt HID for years, but I've grown in an aluminum trash can under a 70-watt HPS, so I know it's possible. I've used 150-watt HPS, and there are plenty of pictures here of what they can produce. So... Options. Cheap. Reliable.
I've got nothing against LEDs. In fact, I want to see something great out of the industry. I want to see them become common enough that I can get a real powerhouse that consumes, IDK, 600 watts, that has duct flanges, that I can get parts for locally, cheaply, and replace the parts in just a matter of minutes. And I want to see these future products available for the (future equivalent of)... A couple hundred dollars.
I just don't really see that yet. So... I'm mostly a HPS guy these days
Wastedknight
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That should say hps guy. I'm sorry I am trying to get used to a new phone.