Landrace Genetics 101

yesum said:
Guerrero x Michoacan from Snowhigh on the left and CG on the right. Do not make me pick one over the other! hehe Gonna try to reveg both.

I think the CG has decent potency, you may want to go thru more phenos conradino, some are more leafy for sure. This one has more calyxes, same with the Michoacan.

It seems when you inbreed and cross these strains, you get a better plant and more thc. But..... losing the special feelings they offer.

Damn, I sure am having all the luck with my grow this time. 2 keeper plants and the Ethiopian Highland aint bad either. I will not run it again soon as the CG beats it out for spiritual high.

Not sure which way the Guerrero x Michoacan leans, but as guessing to the Michoacan side. I had smoke very similar in '75. No long green spears, so guessing that means Michoacan. BigSur you have any opinion there?
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I have a feeling that some of the pre-legal weed I use to smoke was some Guerrero or Michoacan stuff. Most of it was grown out in the national forests, paid for by cartel members. It wasn't even really when the state became legal that it went away, but when California went medical. Everybody started bringing in all those indicas and hybrids and all that stuff got relegated to the brickiest of the brick weed. Before you could sometimes find great plump and seedless buds, and despite it not being covered with trichomes, it could really give you a good high. I've never quite had the same kind of trippy/headiness since then either.

My Panama x Malawis are looking really stretched out. I know sativas are supposed to get lanky, but there's a good 6" between the nodes and they're still in their 1gal pots. I haven't had the light particularly high, but I have had it dimmed since there's been a lot of heat lately.
 
I have to comment more on CG '72... I smoked a soild bowl and this is psychedelic weed basically, which hits you slowly, but when it does you get this feeling that head doesn't know what legs are doing, but it doesn't really matter :laugh:

You don't spin out of control though like it happens after Malawi Gold which decapitates you basically and you're functionally high, you can do stuff even if relaxation is also strong with this one and it hits after half an hour of serious push. It needs to be challenged and I'll try in a good company, but it may be the no-ceiling weed :passitleft:
 
conradino23 said:
I have to comment more on CG '72... I smoked a soild bowl and this is psychedelic weed basically, which hits you slowly, but when it does you get this feeling that head doesn't know what legs are doing, but it doesn't really matter :laugh:

You don't spin out of control though like it happens after Malawi Gold which decapitates you basically and you're functionally high, you can do stuff even if relaxation is also strong with this one and it hits after half an hour of serious push. It needs to be challenged and I'll try in a good company, but it may be the no-ceiling weed :passitleft:
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That's sounding more and more like the stuff I use to have... I'd compare it to Jack Herer on the headiness, but it finishes off so much heavier. I'd go from walking around feeling like the ground was 15 feet away from my face and wondering if the wind was gonna blow me away, go in the house and eat like 26 twinkies and laugh at nothing for about 30 minutes until all the sudden--like a break in the rain--I'd just stop and sit there blank face and zone off with my eyes red and narrow as laser beams.

Sounds like I need to try some! Snowhigh was what you said?
 
yesum said:
Guerrero x Michoacan from Snowhigh on the left and CG on the right. Do not make me pick one over the other! hehe Gonna try to reveg both.

I think the CG has decent potency, you may want to go thru more phenos conradino, some are more leafy for sure. This one has more calyxes, same with the Michoacan.

It seems when you inbreed and cross these strains, you get a better plant and more thc. But..... losing the special feelings they offer.

Damn, I sure am having all the luck with my grow this time. 2 keeper plants and the Ethiopian Highland aint bad either. I will not run it again soon as the CG beats it out for spiritual high.

Not sure which way the Guerrero x Michoacan leans, but as guessing to the Michoacan side. I had smoke very similar in '75. No long green spears, so guessing that means Michoacan. BigSur you have any opinion there?
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No way to know, really. Phenos are only part of the results. The highs can be just as variable, and the two strains are not that far apart to begin with. The strongest weed I had from Mexico were loose tops from Guerrero. Michoacan weed was not far behind that though.
 
TheFertilizer said:
I have a feeling that some of the pre-legal weed I use to smoke was some Guerrero or Michoacan stuff. Most of it was grown out in the national forests, paid for by cartel members. It wasn't even really when the state became legal that it went away, but when California went medical. Everybody started bringing in all those indicas and hybrids and all that stuff got relegated to the brickiest of the brick weed. Before you could sometimes find great plump and seedless buds, and despite it not being covered with trichomes, it could really give you a good high. I've never quite had the same kind of trippy/headiness since then either.

My Panama x Malawis are looking really stretched out. I know sativas are supposed to get lanky, but there's a good 6" between the nodes and they're still in their 1gal pots. I haven't had the light particularly high, but I have had it dimmed since there's been a lot of heat lately.
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Most of the original Oaxacan, Michoacan, Guerrero and Acapulco gold all disappeared from the California market after the intense Nixon paraquat spraying of open Mexican weed fields in the mid to later 1970s. They tried to sell the paraquat sprayed weed to us and at first we bought it, as it was very bright gold. But there was a paraquat scare on in California, and some labs offered to test weed that was suspect for $5. I called a number advertised on the radio, they gave me a code number to include in a sample and the address to send it to, and said to call back 2 weeks later. I called back and gave them my sample number, and they said that my sample was positive for paraquat. So I tossed it. I also told my dealer who told his dealer and so on up the food chain, and we soon knew what to avoid. I never saw any of that stuff again, but I never saw any of the above mentioned strains again either. The US government denied it then, but later admitted to spraying Paraquat on pot fields in Mexico. Paraquat is highly lethal to mammals, but when smoked, it converts to a more inert compound. Or so the US government now claims, with them saying that the Paraquat led to little if any harm. You can read about it on Wiki.

My experience was that the weed dried up from Mexico overnight as a result, and we switched to Colombian weed, Lebanese hash, the last of the skinny stick Thai, and local grown weed. Then after a year or so, high grade sinsemilia started showing up from Morelos and other inland southern Mexican states, and that was some exceptional stuff. And exceptionally cheap at that time (around 1978). The Mexican sinsemilia was a short run in limited supply, but I liked that the best. I have not seen manicured buds like that before or since. They were amazing. Light, fluffy green buds with crystals, manicured in a way where they were rolled into a tube shape. I sent my brother on Maui some of the best Morelos buds, and NO ONE in Hawaii believed that it was from the mainland. No one. He finally gave up and said that it was from Kauai. That they believed.

As for later grows by the cartels in Mexico? I cannot say. Basically the old system in the 1970s collapsed where local Mexican growers grew land races and sold them mostly to hippies that trucked the loose or bricked tops up into California, Arizona and Texas. For the short run of sinsemilia (which the Mexicans knew how to grow long before we did, hell they even named it) after the Nixon paraquat spraying in Mexico, there were residual Americans that bought and brought that stuff back with them. They tried to make a run of it. That was the last of the US hippie mules I believe. The last I saw anyway. I switched to local grown by the end of the 1970s. That seemingly put an end to the Mexican sinsemilia supply. Or it moved elsewhere from California. Huge fresh and fluffy seedless oz's could be had from Big Sur for $60. That did not last long either. Nor did skinny Thai sticks. They became fat narcotic hash oil dipped sticks that just put me to sleep. Basically after the Viet Nam war ended, the glory days of Thai weed went into sharp decline. Now and then I bought bags of the more interesting Colombian. And good hashish. I liked the western green loose Colombian tops. The real highland Colombian gold had also dried up, and everything bricked was called gold. It was really lowland red that had turned brown. And seedy as all fuck. The Colombians excelled at growing seeded weed! All the better now I guess, as Colombian strains makes up the bulk of my seed collection.

In the 1980s the local California grow scene also changed. Prices went up 4 fold for local weed from about 1978 to 1984. East coast people showed up with suitcases full of money wanting 'lawyer weed'. By '86 the early California seed bank guys were busted by the DEA, and Dave Watson took a box of seeds with him to Amsterdam and started a new era of Holland breeding. Also the local California scene shifted north from central and southern California. The Emerald Triangle gained dominance in the weed growing scene. And the state was well on its way to exporting bud for really inflated and hefty prices. That lasted until weed became quasi legal in California in 1996 when medical marijuana was legalized. Then some Holland and east coast growers and breeders came to or back to California, and the LA and SF Bay areas became hubs for medical weed. Strains were shared, new strains were developed in California, and the scene changed again. That lasted until now, and California has legalized rec weed. Medical weed is going away in California. The entire scene is going to make another paradigm shift to commercial production and retail sales. That all starts Jan 1, 2018. They are going to try really hard to clamp down on illegal production and export of weed (again). In Oregon they are really ramping up on this right now, as this year is going to be a stellar year for outdoor grows in Oregon. I do not know how they are going to stop it, as NYC, Philly and Chicago are all still paying high dollars for bud. Not what they used to, but way more than selling wholesale in any of the Legal States of America. So we shall see.

Ooops, sorry, long winded... it started off with local 1970s Mexican weed grows... time for my evening GDP medicine.
 
BigSur said:
Most of the original Oaxacan, Michoacan, Guerrero and Acapulco gold all disappeared from the California market after the intense Nixon paraquat spraying of open Mexican weed fields in the mid to later 1970s. They tried to sell the paraquat sprayed weed to us and at first we bought it, as it was very bright gold. But there was a paraquat scare on in California, and some labs offered to test weed that was suspect for $5. I called a number advertised on the radio, they gave me a code number to include in a sample to send in in a baggie an the address to send it to, and said to call back 2 weeks later. I called back and gave them my sample number, and they said that my sample was positive for paraquat. So I tossed it. I also told my dealer who told his dealer and on up the line, and we knew what to avoid. I never saw any of that stuff again, but I never saw any of the above mentioned strains again untainted as before either. The US government denied it, but later admitted to spraying Paraquat in Mexico. Paraquat is highly lethal to mammals, but when smoked, it converts to a more inert compound. The US government now claims that the Paraquat led to little if any harm.

My experience was that the weed dried up from Mexico overnight as a result, and we switched to Colombian weed, Lebanese hash, the last of the skinny stick Thai, and local grown weed. Then after a year or so, high grade sinsemilia started showing up from Morelos and other inland southern Mexican states, and that was some exceptional stuff. And exceptionally cheap at that time (around 1978). The Mexican sinsemilia was a short run in limited supply, but I liked that the best. I have not seen manicured buds like that before or since. They were amazing. Light, fluffy green buds with crystals, manicured in a way where they were rolled into a tube shape. I sent my brother on Maui some of the best Morelos buds, and NO ONE in Hawaii believed that it was from the mainland. No one. He finally gave up and said that it was from Kauai. That they believed.

As for later grows by the cartels in Mexico? I cannot say. Basically the old system in the 1970s collapsed where local Mexican growers grew land races and sold them mostly to hippies that trucked the loose or bricked tops up into California, Arizona and Texas. For the short run of sinsemilia (which the Mexicans knew how to grow long before we did, hell they even named it) after the Nixon paraquat spraying in Mexico, there were residual Americans that bought and brought that stuff back with them. They tried to make a run of it. That was the last of the US hippie mules I believe. The last I saw anyway. I switched to local grown by the end of the 1970s. That seemingly put an end to the Mexican sinsemilia supply. Or it moved elsewhere from California. Huge fresh and fluffy seedless oz's could be had from Big Sur for $60. That did not last long either. Nor did skinny Thai sticks. They became fat narcotic hash oil dipped sticks that just put me to sleep. Basically after the Viet Nam war ended, the glory days of Thai weed went into sharp decline. Now and then I bought bags of the more interesting Colombian. And good hashish. I liked the western green loose Colombian tops. The real highland Colombian gold had also dried up, and everything bricked was called gold. It was really lowland red that had turned brown. And still seedy as all fuck. The Colombians excelled at growing seeded weed! All the better now I guess, as Colombian strains makes up the bulk of my seed collection.

In the 1980s the local California grow scene also changed. Prices went up 4 fold for local weed from about 1978 to 1984. East coast people showed up with suitcases full of money wanting 'lawyer weed'. By '86 the early California seed bank guys were busted by the DEA, and Dave Watson took a box of seeds with him to Amsterdam and started a new era of Holland breeding. Also the local California scene shifted north from central and southern California. The Emerald Triangle gained dominance in the weed growing scene. And the state was well on its way to exporting bud for really inflated and hefty prices. That lasted until weed became quasi legal in California in 1996 when medical marijuana was legalized. Then some Holland growers and breeders came back to California, and the LA and SF Bay areas became hubs for medical weed. Strains were shared, new strains were developed in California, and the scene changed again. That lasted until now, and California has legalized weed. The entire scene is going to make another paradigm shift to commercial production and retail sales. That all starts Jan 1, 2018. They are going to try really hard to clamp down on illegal production and export of weed (again). In Oregon they are really ramping up on this, as this year is going to be a stellar year for outdoor grows in Oregon. I do not know how they are going to stop it, as NYC, Philly and Chicago are all still paying high dollars for bud. Not what they used to, but way more than selling wholesale in any of the Legal States of America.

Ooops, sorry, long winded... it started off with local Mexican weed grows... time for my evening GDP medicine.
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Ah I was actually enjoying reading about it lol I'm not really sure what the history with weed in WA is though because it was so much different west and east of the Cascades until very recently. You had people like Dj Short doing stuff in Seattle for a long time, but east of the cascades was such a mis-mesh that you could be smoking stuff from Mexico, Canada or grown in the forests a few hours away, and you'd never known which except by price. In fact I remember friends complaining that when the market shifted in 2005, everybody started getting all that dank stuff from California, but none of it had the same cerebral qualities as the locally grown stuff did, so we'd always feel like we paid more to get less high.
 
BigSur said:
Paraquat is highly lethal to mammals, but when smoked, it converts to a more inert compound. Or so the US government now claims, with them saying that the Paraquat led to little if any harm. You can read about it on Wiki.
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The lethality is no joke. Like two spoonfuls is guaranteed fatal, right?

I read the article, and of course anyone could have created (or modified) it - so it is, I suppose, just as suspect as everything else on the Internet. With that having been stated, I read that the people involved in the spraying program were the ones who started stating that consuming cannabis that had been sprayed with paraquat was harmful in the first place. Assuming that was in fact the case (IDK), it might be true - or it might have been something that was spread by a group of people who were anti-cannabis... in order to discourage people from using cannabis. Ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances, I guess.

I would like to get a chance to read the 1995 study that was referenced in the Wikipedia article, Pronczuk de Garbino J, Epidemiology of paraquat poisoning, in: Bismuth C, and Hall AH (eds), Paraquat Poisoning: Mechanisms, Prevention, Treatment, pp. 37-51, New York: Marcel Dekker, 1995 (which does not appear to have been a "government study," AfaIK, and in which the statement "no lung or other injury in cannabis users has ever been attributed to paraquat contamination" was apparently taken from.

Wikipedia said:
Also a United States Environmental Protection Agency manual states: "... toxic effects caused by this mechanism have been either very rare or nonexistent. Most paraquat that contaminates cannabis is pyrolyzed during smoking to dipyridyl, which is a product of combustion of the leaf material itself (including cannabis) and presents little toxic hazard."
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I have learned to be somewhat skeptical of a government agency that is - at the best of times - often hamstrung and powerless, and that is known for having questions about the... safety of a thing - and then allowing the entity that is releasing that thing into the environment to determine whether or not it is safe(!!!). IMHO, that is like going to a used car lot and asking, "That car smoked pretty good when you first started it up - are you sure it's going to be reliable and trouble-free for the next couple of years?" and then assuming that the guy is being truthful when he replies, "It sure will be!" Me, I'd want to have a third-party make that determination. One who, you know... doesn't have an interest in selling the car to me.

I also find myself wondering at the inclusion of the word "most" in that quote. By definition, most is not ALL - therefore, some can be assumed to have been inhaled in its unchanged form. After the part I quoted, there is mention of a study by chemical company that found rats that had inhaled paraquat showed development of squamous metaplasia in their respiratory tracts after a couple of weeks. But there is no mention of how much and at what concentration. And I have read of substances that'll kill a rat at a given mg/kg dosage but will not do the same to a mouse. This gives me the impression that one can not always accurately assume that a substance tested on one animal will give the same results (at the same levels) on a different animal, even if they are from two relatively close species.

I also do not recall off the top of my head whether this is a substance that is cumulative in nature, or whether any non-fatal dosage will pass out of the body in such a way that another normally non-fatal dose might actually prove to be fatal.

In other words, I don't know what to believe.

BigSur said:
For the short run of sinsemilia (which the Mexicans knew how to grow long before we did, hell they even named it)
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Named it? Er, doesn't sin mean "without" in Spanish, and semilla mean "seed" in the same language? If I see a shovel being used, and say, "Digging tool," have I named the implement? Or just described it, lol?

OtOH - and IMHO - calling seedless cannabis "without seed" is far better than calling it "weed," "dope" or the like :icon_roll. But IDK the root definition of "marijuana," so maybe they did exactly that and I just don't realize it?
 
Nice history telling Big Sur - this fits in well (and is more detailed) than my California experience in those years.


I know I had some dangerous stuff in 78-79. It might have been paraquat. It might have been angel dust.


The mass spraying and paraquat scare reminds me of the alcohol prohobotion and bathtub gin scare. It really doesn't matter whether it is true, it had the same effect. Both shut down successful small producer and small distributor buisnesses, diverted the consumers to cartels, and when re-legalized the cartels morph into big business.
 
TheFertilizer said:
Ah I was actually enjoying reading about it lol I'm not really sure what the history with weed in WA is though because it was so much different west and east of the Cascades until very recently. You had people like Dj Short doing stuff in Seattle for a long time, but east of the cascades was such a mis-mesh that you could be smoking stuff from Mexico, Canada or grown in the forests a few hours away, and you'd never known which except by price. In fact I remember friends complaining that when the market shifted in 2005, everybody started getting all that dank stuff from California, but none of it had the same cerebral qualities as the locally grown stuff did, so we'd always feel like we paid more to get less high.
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DJ Short supposedly moved to the Portland area after his divorce. Also Jack Herer was a long time local fixture in Portland. His son carried on his tradition but was recently forced out of the shop on Hawthorne Blvd. when the owners decided to develop the property that they were on and gave them the boot. I was never up on the weed scene in Portland or Seattle though. I always had (and still have) many contacts in California, New York and Florida. Florida is pretty messed up right now though. The Keys especially.
 
Radogast said:
Nice history telling Big Sur - this fits in well (and is more detailed) than my California experience in those years.


I know I had some dangerous stuff in 78-79. It might have been paraquat. It might have been angel dust.


The mass spraying and paraquat scare reminds me of the alcohol prohobotion and bathtub gin scare. It really doesn't matter whether it is true, it had the same effect. Both shut down successful small producer and small distributor buisnesses, diverted the consumers to cartels, and when re-legalized the cartels morph into big business.
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Agreed on prohibition leading to the rise of the booze mobs in Chicago and cartels in Mexico and Colombia, and after legalization, legitimate Wall Street business ventures. And the BS leading to squeezing out small time growers and dealers and rum runners. West coast weed growing, distribution, processing and sales is all heading toward large corporate operations.

As for the odd weed there in the late 70s, that was probably angel dust. I have smoked that and Paraquat weed. Paraquat removed the color and flavor of weed. It was yellow and tasteless. No terpenes. But the high was the same. Angel dust was dangerous indeed. Around 1977 I briefly hung out with some biker gangs in the South SF Bay area. The biggest rip-off bag of weed I ever bought was from some bikers that had laced a 'sample joint' with angle dust. Great high, but man, what a crappy bag of dirt weed I wound up with. Mostly old fan leaves and absolutely no high to it at all and it tasted like shit. That and the Paraquat weed were the worst lids that I ever bought. Complete garbage. Black market weed was like that. Good, bad, and ugly.

There were some other strains of weed going around in the late 70's that would pop your head right off though. My brother and I were hanging out at our party house and a friend stopped by with a quarter oz of buds. He twisted up a J and we smoked it. Then things started to happen. My heart was racing and I had to stick my head out the window from the head rushes. It was like acid without the hallucinations. It was insane stuff. Then the guy that brought the weed accused my brother and I of lacing his weed with acid. We looked at him and said, "You brought the weed, you rolled the joint, and we are all high as all fuck!" So he got up and left, and said he did not want anything to do with that bag of weed. We said fine, and when he left then we rolled another one and smoked it! I called that stuff panic weed.
 
You are hardcore BigSur, 'rolled another joint of panic weed'. hehe I would have given it away I am sure.

I have mentioned it before but I smoked some brown, almost certainly Mexican pot back in '75 that was more surreal than shrooms or acid. Thrown into a impressionist painting for around 20 minutes, that seemed like an eternity. Not laced as I had angel dust later and that was crap in comparison. Only drawback was my heart felt like it would explode at any moment.

I have Colombian Gold, Michoacan and possibly Oaxacan going now and it all looks fairly similar. Not even sure about the last 'Michoacan' I smoked tonight, as it was labeled Mextiza/Oaxacan but the seeds got bumped and mixed during germination and really just guessing. The stuff I smoked tonight is so good I am gonna try and clone it along with a for sure Michoacan and the CG.

Next run I will throw in a few Guerrero x Blueberry and the rest of the Mextiza which is Oaxacan mostly. May have been what I smoked tonight and loved, but looks just like the other Michoacan so... That Guerrero x Blueberry is a '72 elite Guerrero used and may be what BigSur fell in love with back then. I have run it before and not been impressed with the product but have reason to think the seeds may have been something else. That seedbank I got it from is now defunct and the breeder was surprised they still had his seeds when I purchased them.... A seedy business indeed. The new batch is legit for sure, f2's made by trusted source. Can give the link if anyone is interested. The Mextiza is all out and the Snowhigh Michoacan is not available at the moment.
 
yesum said:
You are hardcore BigSur, 'rolled another joint of panic weed'. hehe I would have given it away I am sure.
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Well, after the first round of any new weed, the second round is always tamer. And we were young. We also smoked cigarettes like chimneys, drank like fish, and imbibed in several other recreational inebriates. And gobs and gobs of caffeine!

yesum said:
I have mentioned it before but I smoked some brown, almost certainly Mexican pot back in '75 that was more surreal than shrooms or acid. Thrown into a impressionist painting for around 20 minutes, that seemed like an eternity. Not laced as I had angel dust later and that was crap in comparison. Only drawback was my heart felt like it would explode at any moment.
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Sounds good! Pass that joint over here please and let me try a hit. Oh, back in '75 you say? Damn. That roach is long gone I suppose. There was some stellar weed going around in 1975. Best weed I had was during that year: Guerrero and South Indian ganja.

yesum said:
I have Colombian Gold, Michoacan and possibly Oaxacan going now and it all looks fairly similar. Not even sure about the last 'Michoacan' I smoked tonight, as it was labeled Mextiza/Oaxacan but the seeds got bumped and mixed during germination and really just guessing. The stuff I smoked tonight is so good I am gonna try and clone it along with a for sure Michoacan and the CG.
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Old school. Sounds good. I am smoking a LOT of this early sativa pheno Leb that I harvested here last week. I am picking out seeds before I cure these buds in paper bags and smoking bowls of red hairs and calyx seed jackets coated with lots and lots of trichomes. Good old blonde hashish high here.

yesum said:
Next run I will throw in a few Guerrero x Blueberry and the rest of the Mextiza which is Oaxacan mostly. May have been what I smoked tonight and loved, but looks just like the other Michoacan so... That Guerrero x Blueberry is a '72 elite Guerrero used and may be what BigSur fell in love with back then. I have run it before and not been impressed with the product but have reason to think the seeds may have been something else. That seedbank I got it from is now defunct and the breeder was surprised they still had his seeds when I purchased them.... A seedy business indeed. The new batch is legit for sure, f2's made by trusted source. Can give the link if anyone is interested. The Mextiza is all out and the Snowhigh Michoacan is not available at the moment.
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Cool beans. Love to hear from another Mexi sativa lover and grower. And several strains at that. So many people put down the old land race Mexican strains as being bunk weed. Seems that people all want 30% couch lock stuff these days. Funny too, this Lebanese Bekaa Valley stuff is all listed as being indica, but methinks it is really a sativa. Not just the sativa pheno, the indica pheno as well. I do not pass out smoking too much of it, and while it is not racy it is not narco weed either. The tops are already mellow and no harsh taste to it. It does not need to be made into hashish IMO. Though I am going to sift some of it and make some hash out of it anyway.

Viva Sativa!
 
I got two very distinct Lebanese phenos from both batches of seeds (Blue Hemp and RSC), male and female: a sativa and what I will call indica-ish. The indica-ish ones are still blooming. They were/are all big plants, no dwarfs. My brother has one that is over 8 feet tall now. Monster size leaves too, the size of dunner plates. I pollinated the indica-ish female last week and she is already swelling with seeds. I think I have about a thousand viable sativa-sativa Lebby cross seeds now, and likely I will have a thousand more indica-ish x sativa seeds in a month. And they get $5+ a pop for these things?
 
yesum said:
I smoked some brown, almost certainly Mexican pot back in '75 that was more surreal than
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yesum said:
Thrown into a impressionist painting for around 20 minutes, that seemed like an eternity.
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ME, TOO!

One of the best (cannabis) buzzes I've ever had. Was even (mostly) brown, like pretty much all of the chlorophyll had been cured away. So smooth you didn't even feel a cough thinking about making an appearance.

Two of us stood against a three-story wall made out of large sandstone(?) block. Just giggling and toking, giggling and... hey, how long has that joint been laying on the ground? Better pick it up, grab a lighter, and- oh look, that cloud is so cool! And then this bird, man, a freakin BIRD... I still believe that bird flew full-tilt bozo within inches of our heads, right past us. Only we were still standing right up against the wall. I believe it because we turned to each other simultaneously and said, "Where did the bird go? And... HOW?"

Truly, the finest kind.

If that was laced, someone did a real bang-up job of it, because it didn't come in a joint, it was some scraggly-looking bud in a cellophane that I talked some random guy out of when he stopped by looking for the stripper whose apartment I happened to be in when she was elsewhere. And IDK what those other substances would have cost, but I'm guessing that free wouldn't have been it, lol, not from someone you'd never see again and who wasn't trying to pawn off a bag of dirt to you.

Never mind how old I was at the time - but I will say that I wasn't inexperienced. And I didn't consider myself to be a lightweight, because whenever someone asked, "Do you want some more or are you good," I don't believe I ever said anything other than, "Pass that over here."

Right then and there, I went from getting p!ssed every time some clown pulled out MexiBrick... to asking if they minded if I looked through it for intact seeds, LMAO.

Only that wasn't in the '70s, it was in the... Summer of '86 or '87. Those years were kind of a haze, but I'll never forget that particular experience.

And I still wonder about that bird....
 
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Colombian Gold '72 on top and below Guerrero x Michoacan, which I think leans Michoacan. Two of the best I have smoked. I am almost tempted to stop searching thru my many seeds for a new and great strain. These two could have you feeling that. I am gonna go ahead try to get thru my many other strains though. You never know what you can find.
 
Yeah, the CG weighs almost nothing. Not hard to see why they crossed indica into it and let it get seeded as well. My CG back in '79 had immature seeds only, they could not even let it mature. Peasants trying to make a buck.

I missed out on this exquisite smoke back then but am making up for lost time. hehe Thanks to the guys at USC for the Colombian Gold '72 and Snowhigh for the Michoacan.
 
That's what I heard too, they were seeding it on purpose to get better weight. On the other hand I'm not sure if they even kniw what sensi was. In India and Nepal they also leave their males to pollinate their fields of charas plants, but it's because they use the seeds to make flour, soups or just as dried snacks and they get resin anyway by hand rubbing it, so it's a win-win situation :)
 
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