yesum
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just starting out with it so no idea^^
Landrace Genetics 101
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yesum
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I have the Peak Skunk. That Irresistible sounds great. I have his Frankies but have not grown them.
medmanmike
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Good points. The more I dig the more the timing, circa 1963, doesn't make sense. Big Sur provided a lot of info from that time frame, including supporting your comment re Skunk not being around until the early 70s. BS had had no knowledge/had never seen this strain (LSD). I emailed the breeder and asked for additional info but haven't heard back. I'll report if I do.
medmanmike
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I have no idea! LOL! I'm wondering if the mix at the time was a really unique or different buzz and they tried to capitalize on the name, i.e. LSD.The M@M was definetly an Indi leaner. Just curious if they mixed the lsd with some crazy pure sativa is what i guess i am asking hahaha?
Barneys Farm and BOG both have a version of LSD.
Official Information / Basics about L.S.D. from Barneys Farm
Strain NameL.S.D.BreederBarneys FarmLocationindoor, outdoorTypemostly indicaFlowering~63 daysSeedsNormal or female seeds.
An old Skunk variety crossed with Mazar, called LSD by the Farm crew because of its powerful trippy efect. Developed from ancient genetics long established in the Farm seed bank. Crossing Skunk #1 with a potent Mazar we have created a very powerful Indica strain.
L.S.D. is a hardy, disease resistant plant that responds well in all grow conditions. With just a little care and attention, the L.S.D. strain will give the grower high yielding award winning powerful results. The favor is intense earthy chestnut with a sweet musky smell. The LSD produces a euphoric, almost psychedelic experience. It’s a super-trippy and very powerful stone, a Barney’s Farm special.
Official Information / Basics about L.S.D. from B.O.G. Seeds
Strain NameL.S.D.BreederB.O.G. SeedsLocationindoor, outdoorTypemostly sativaFlowering~50 daysSeedsNo feminized seeds.
For Sativa Lovers... LSD is my most sativa-ish strain. NY City Diesel was crossed with my LifeSaver to create this unique strawberry bud. An up high with a trippy quality. Flowers in 45 - 55 days. [Lifesaver is A cross of SubCool’s JCB (Jacks Cleaner, Blueberry) and BOGBubble.]
Note that one is an Indica, the other Sativa. So maybe the marketing people at Elev8 are playing with our heads...
From Elev8 Seeds on Seedfinder ...
Some time ago, I met a grower that had a large collection of elite cuts that he was offering to trade for other genetics. The one strain that he had, that he did not give out to anybody, was an older version of LSD. He said that his friends bought seeds but the more current seeds never resulted in a plant as nice as his. Of course, the strain he did not want to give away was the one I was most curious about.
About six months later, an older woman called in from our website to ask about some strains. As we were talking, she mentioned that her favorite smoke of all time was a strain her friend, “J” grew called LSD. She said that he might be willing to talk to me and possibly gift some seeds. About a week later, “J” called me and told me the story about how he had acquired LSD seeds.
Back in 1963, “J” grew in the Sierra Mountains with his friend “B”. B decided to move to Europe to start a seed company but before he moved, he gave seeds that were a cross of what eventually became skunk and Mazar that he had gotten from another grower to J. Years later, the seeds that B took with him ended up becoming an indica dominant strain called LSD.
Since 1963, “J” made more seeds every decade or so and chose sativa dominant phenotypes. Out of the hundreds of strains he has grown in the last 50 years, he claims that this strain is heads and shoulders above them all. He said he was willing to gift me some seeds so that this sativa dominant version of LSD would not be eventually lost to the growing community.
One batch he grew tested in a lab at 27% THC.
The smell can be described as spiced eggnog. The high is intensely powerful and long lasting. This strain feels like you have been transported to another world.
It looks like "J" worked the original LSD into a sativa dominant strain. Cool.
Some time ago, I met a grower that had a large collection of elite cuts that he was offering to trade for other genetics. The one strain that he had, that he did not give out to anybody, was an older version of LSD. He said that his friends bought seeds but the more current seeds never resulted in a plant as nice as his. Of course, the strain he did not want to give away was the one I was most curious about.
About six months later, an older woman called in from our website to ask about some strains. As we were talking, she mentioned that her favorite smoke of all time was a strain her friend, “J” grew called LSD. She said that he might be willing to talk to me and possibly gift some seeds. About a week later, “J” called me and told me the story about how he had acquired LSD seeds.
Back in 1963, “J” grew in the Sierra Mountains with his friend “B”. B decided to move to Europe to start a seed company but before he moved, he gave seeds that were a cross of what eventually became skunk and Mazar that he had gotten from another grower to J. Years later, the seeds that B took with him ended up becoming an indica dominant strain called LSD.
Since 1963, “J” made more seeds every decade or so and chose sativa dominant phenotypes. Out of the hundreds of strains he has grown in the last 50 years, he claims that this strain is heads and shoulders above them all. He said he was willing to gift me some seeds so that this sativa dominant version of LSD would not be eventually lost to the growing community.
One batch he grew tested in a lab at 27% THC.
The smell can be described as spiced eggnog. The high is intensely powerful and long lasting. This strain feels like you have been transported to another world.
It looks like "J" worked the original LSD into a sativa dominant strain. Cool.
medmanmike
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GT, any idea who "J" is/was?From Elev8 Seeds on Seedfinder ...
Some time ago, I met a grower that had a large collection of elite cuts that he was offering to trade for other genetics. The one strain that he had, that he did not give out to anybody, was an older version of LSD. He said that his friends bought seeds but the more current seeds never resulted in a plant as nice as his. Of course, the strain he did not want to give away was the one I was most curious about.
About six months later, an older woman called in from our website to ask about some strains. As we were talking, she mentioned that her favorite smoke of all time was a strain her friend, “J” grew called LSD. She said that he might be willing to talk to me and possibly gift some seeds. About a week later, “J” called me and told me the story about how he had acquired LSD seeds.
Back in 1963, “J” grew in the Sierra Mountains with his friend “B”. B decided to move to Europe to start a seed company but before he moved, he gave seeds that were a cross of what eventually became skunk and Mazar that he had gotten from another grower to J. Years later, the seeds that B took with him ended up becoming an indica dominant strain called LSD.
Since 1963, “J” made more seeds every decade or so and chose sativa dominant phenotypes. Out of the hundreds of strains he has grown in the last 50 years, he claims that this strain is heads and shoulders above them all. He said he was willing to gift me some seeds so that this sativa dominant version of LSD would not be eventually lost to the growing community.
One batch he grew tested in a lab at 27% THC.
The smell can be described as spiced eggnog. The high is intensely powerful and long lasting. This strain feels like you have been transported to another world.
It looks like "J" worked the original LSD into a sativa dominant strain. Cool.
Nope. But I did try to imagine who "B" might have been, starting a Dutch seed house.
It crossed my mind to ask Big Sur ...It's interesting that the Dutch concentrated on stoney indica highs in almost all of their breeding. They were developing for the European market which was and is dominated by hashish, supplied for centuries by the traders across the silk road. Those were the Paki and Afghan mountain regions. So Europeans think of a heavy stone when they think of weed. A racy sativa buzz is only something to enhance the stone, hence the trippy LSD description.
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Conradino23
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The story has so many jumps and curves that I call it 100% bullshit especially that Afghan genetics were introduced to US by BOEL in the early 70s, Skunk #1 didn't go on sale until 1978 and hardly anyone knew how to grow weed before 1967-68.
Every time I read one of these stories I think I can produce 3 better ones out of a hat.
Every time I read one of these stories I think I can produce 3 better ones out of a hat.
I wouldn't be surprised if a grower managed to get his hands on some hashplant seeds in the 60s though.
There were early hippie types thumbing their way around the world. I'm sure some of them brought seeds home.
There were early hippie types thumbing their way around the world. I'm sure some of them brought seeds home.
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Conradino23
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In the late 60s it's possible, but unlikely. In the early 60s VERY unlikely considering that hippie trail wasn't invented yet... cause the hippies themselves didn't really exist.
Well the thing is that growing knowledge before Haight Ashbury time was practically non-existent and all the stuff that got smuggled into US - with very few exceptions - came from Mexico.
BOEL were the first to bring significant amounts of Afgan hash into US together with seeds and even they didn't grow them until settling in Maui.
Blueberry didn't even come about until late 70s. The same with Northern Lights #5.
I could say that I met a guy in 1957, who got his seeds from a mysterious "Y", who bred them with a bunch of Indians since the 20s and then I gave them to "G", who opened a seedbank in Holland and it was the real deal and it tested at 35% THC. Does it prove I'm telling the truth? I don't think so.
From my experience 95% of mysterious strain stories propagated in Internet are pure bullshit and they are that for a reason. Someone wants to make money on people who believe them.
Well the thing is that growing knowledge before Haight Ashbury time was practically non-existent and all the stuff that got smuggled into US - with very few exceptions - came from Mexico.
BOEL were the first to bring significant amounts of Afgan hash into US together with seeds and even they didn't grow them until settling in Maui.
Blueberry didn't even come about until late 70s. The same with Northern Lights #5.
I could say that I met a guy in 1957, who got his seeds from a mysterious "Y", who bred them with a bunch of Indians since the 20s and then I gave them to "G", who opened a seedbank in Holland and it was the real deal and it tested at 35% THC. Does it prove I'm telling the truth? I don't think so.
From my experience 95% of mysterious strain stories propagated in Internet are pure bullshit and they are that for a reason. Someone wants to make money on people who believe them.
I know a man who was in kush country in 1965 after graduating from high school. Granted he didn't bring anything back but he could have.
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Conradino23
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I don't think the value of seed was understood well back then. Yeah they few who kept their seeds in the attic, but again these were all Mexican and only later Colombian, Jamaican, African etc. till Afghani made a splash in mid to late 70s.
And yeah people here and there were growing weed before, but that was very limited thing as there was no need to compete with Mexican import.
Pollen chucking and amateur breeding didn't really start till heads moved up the country, where they had freedom and space to do so, which was around 1967-68.
This is also when first brochures and books about growing started being published. And as far as I know nobody mentions indicas there, which is a strong proof that Afghani genetics wasn't available.
And yeah people here and there were growing weed before, but that was very limited thing as there was no need to compete with Mexican import.
Pollen chucking and amateur breeding didn't really start till heads moved up the country, where they had freedom and space to do so, which was around 1967-68.
This is also when first brochures and books about growing started being published. And as far as I know nobody mentions indicas there, which is a strong proof that Afghani genetics wasn't available.
I'mOne
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I was around the Ozarks growers in the 70s and remember when smoking weed stopped being fun for me. It was when the hybrids started and coincided with my new responsibilities as a father and husband. I hated feeling eeighted down by the indica cross. At the time i thought it was just me. Now i suspect it was the crossbred weed that let your mind wander but kept you anchored to the couch. At 59 i can accept it but at the time and with that wife and life it was totally unCOOL.
andIhalped
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It's difficult to tell what's BS & what's not.
There certainly were weed aficionados and weed culture in the '30s-late 50s, including among jazzsters & the Beats. Definitely possible that some might have figured out growing--they weren't all dumb & many traveled widely. But who the heck knows?
It was a highly clandestine pursuit & together with stoned & unreliable participants, modern commerce, and certain set of seekers looking for the grail, in total, it's an incubator for myths & outright fabrications.
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MULANJE GOLD SHORT BREEDING PROJECT
BREEDING OUT THE STRETCH
Four out of seven Short seedlings retaining very squat stature 9 days into the 11.5 hour flowering light cycle. Even the MULANJE short seedlings with stretch are seemingly a bit more tamed down.
Below MULANJE GOLD seedling clones for breeding upon assessment and
three select stud boys
BREEDING OUT THE STRETCH
Four out of seven Short seedlings retaining very squat stature 9 days into the 11.5 hour flowering light cycle. Even the MULANJE short seedlings with stretch are seemingly a bit more tamed down.
Below MULANJE GOLD seedling clones for breeding upon assessment and
three select stud boys
tropics
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So you're going for short season Sativas?
Id imagine the dutch looked at what could be grown and harvested, rather than what couldn't...
Market is also a dictating factor, when illegal, time and weight needed to be high considerations..
Id thank American politics for the prevalence of indica in most strains...
No hybradised seed came into America, only out? Lmfao
Market is also a dictating factor, when illegal, time and weight needed to be high considerations..
Id thank American politics for the prevalence of indica in most strains...
No hybradised seed came into America, only out? Lmfao
tropics
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Hey Penny!
Actually I am breeding MULANJE down for height and compactness but I am thrilled she can be brought in to harvest at 10 weeks following a few cultural guidelines. First The more red in your light and light intensity is paramount, next 11.5 hour light cycle, I find most sativa can be shaved down for harvest time through culture and breeding. Below PUNTA ROJO at 10weeks outdoors in ten hour daylight hours growing from seed outdoors in Subtropical clime.