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[SmokingWings]

I just read this:

“The researchers found that hemp plants front-end load P during the first half of the growing season as seen with the plant’s upward accumulation of P. At midseason, the total accumulation in the plant plateaus. This indicates that the plant uptakes limited additional P. Hemp relies upon those internal P reserves and translocates (moves) P if it is required in other parts of the plant.

This suggests that adequate P levels should be provided to cannabis during the first half of the production cycle for the plant to accumulate an adequate reserve that can be translocated if needed later. Providing a P boost late in the growing season appears to not be needed. There is a need to conduct a scientifically based trial to clear up this uncertainty with greenhouse-grown cannabis.”

I thought you had mentioned something along these lines awhile back. An idea or theory that the plant picks up what it needs, stores it, and makes use of it when flower starts, and then lets all the extra just sit in storage in the larger fan leaves so it can be returned to the soil during the non-growing season when the dead plant is decomposing.

The 'front-end loading' is similar to what I think the plant is doing during the vegetating stage with the Nitrogen and Potassium. The nutrients are there waiting, the plant takes what it needs, and if enough is stored the yellowing and dyeing off of leaves is minimal until maybe the very last week or two of flowering.

 

[Keffka]

I thought you had mentioned something along these lines awhile back. An idea or theory that the plant picks up what it needs, stores it, and makes use of it when flower starts, and then lets all the extra just sit in storage in the larger fan leaves so it can be returned to the soil during the non-growing season when the dead plant is decomposing.

The 'front-end loading' is similar to what I think the plant is doing during the vegetating stage with the Nitrogen and Potassium. The nutrients are there waiting, the plant takes what it needs, and if enough is stored the yellowing and dyeing off of leaves is minimal until maybe the very last week or two of flowering.

So there are definitely signs of this being the case throughout nature. Whether it’s anthrax spores in soil, whose entire goal is to kill its host and return to the soil. Or if it’s a field of dandelions in a low calcium top soil, that are there to pull calcium from deep, die away, and bring that calcium to the top soil. Nature uses a variety of mechanisms to bring balance to its environment.

Cannabis I believe is no different. If anything, I think cannabis might be extremely efficient at restoring balance to its environment. This is why we see it grow with ease in so many places, and why it has an impressive array of defenses.

So, since cannabis is likely one of these balance plants, I think it’s entirely plausible that it can receive enough nutrition to stave off most major discolorations and dying off of leaves. This grow I just did saw the leaves on two of the plants hold their color for a very long time. I saw indications that if the plants root balls were a bit bigger or they had a bit better access they very likely would’ve made it to the end with low to no leaf loss.

The Rev in TLO also mentions in passing that eventually a lot of his plants stopped losing color and leaves and that this isn’t an issue and it means the plant got good nutrition. He only mentioned it once and it was an off handed sort of comment but I think it also helps add even anecdotal evidence that this is the case.

I think it’s entirely possible to give cannabis enough nutrition to stave off color and leaf loss. The main issue is, cannabis can consume a lot of nutrition, and each pheno, never mind strain, can have different dietary requirements.

 

[Keffka]

I really need to start trusting my gut and just pulling the trigger on stuff. I knew Netflix was gonna be huge when blockbuster was still arrogant. Humans will choose convenience almost every time, and this was before streaming was even a thing.

I’ve been saying for a decade that NVIDIA is going to become one of the most valuable companies on the planet and I’m fairly certain they just passed Google and Amazon. They’ve been perfectly positioning to completely dominate AI and no one else has hardware powerful enough to do it.

I’ve been saying for 5-6 years now that AMD is going to break out. They offer high performance processors at insanely cheap prices and caught other processor companies sleeping

On Friday I heard a stat that the Super Bowl has only ever gone to over time once and my gut told me I should bet on KC winning in over time. This kind of crap happens over and over again and I just ignore it.

Perhaps one day I will trust my gut more than my fear.

 

[Keffka]

Dispensary Owner in San Francisco Brags of Ripping Off Farmers

A San Francisco dispensary owner has been exposed boasting about how he has made 'hundreds of thousands of dollars' by ripping off cannabis farmers - as

www.420magazine.com

California sure is a different place. This guy wouldn’t last very long over here in Detroit. The last person you want to stiff is the grower. I remember when an acquaintance stiffed a grower. He didn’t even talk shit about doing it either. They kidnapped him from in front of his house and tied him up in a warehouse where they beat the ever living shit out of him for days. We didn’t see much of him again after that

 

[StoneOtter]

I think it’s entirely possible to give cannabis enough nutrition to stave off color and leaf loss. The main issue is, cannabis can consume a lot of nutrition, and each pheno, never mind strain, can have different dietary requirements.

I've grown rainbows of color, but also given a good pot of soil I've seen a few stay green too. I'm not sure of the exact recipe. It's got to do with pot size for part of it I'm thinking. My outdoor Cherries DubeLee stayed green this year. Sept 29 I took this pic. She had very few even in the middle down low.

 

[Keffka]

I've grown rainbows of color, but also given a good pot of soil I've seen a few stay green too. I'm not sure of the exact recipe. It's got to do with pot size for part of it I'm thinking. My outdoor Cherries DubeLee stayed green this year. Sept 29 I took this pic. She had very few even in the middle down low.

Yep, I was gonna mention outdoors but got sidetracked.

I see yellowing and leaf loss much more often in containers and in really compact earth. I haven’t had an in ground plant that yellowed out and lost leaves like my containers do yet. I’ve had plants in containers start to yellow but the moment they break through into the earth the yellowing stops. If you’ve got a somewhat decent soil in your yard, and cannabis can get her roots in it usually she’ll get everything she needs.

This is another aspect of what makes me think cannabis is a great balance maker. Her roots can stretch so far and so deep she can pull nutrition from way far away.

As far as keeping them green and container sizes, this is definitely a factor. This is where Revs mixes and spikes come into play. If you want to keep the plants green, you need either larger containers with a good mineralized soil, or you need smaller containers with a supersoil that’s been heavily amended, as well as spikes of high powered nutrients. I also think that if you’re using smaller containers you may have to go with clones to stay green.

Cannabis seems to use up quite a bit of nutrition when growing from seed. I’m gonna tag @Gee64 as well and anyone else with clone experience chime in for this. I’m not entirely sure why it is cannabis seems to use more resources growing from seed than from clone. I understand that a clone will be the same age as its mother when cut, but it doesn’t make sense to me how establishing an entire new root system from a branch doesn’t use up an equivalent amount of resources as establishing from seed.

Why is this? Seeds come with enough resources to germinate and reach veg so it’s not like there’s a big burst of use at that point. So there must be some point during seedling or early to mid veg where a plant takes in a lot of resources for a process it only needs to do in the beginning. Does anyone know what is occurring that makes a seed require that much more than a clone?

 

[Gee64]

Yep, I was gonna mention outdoors but got sidetracked.

I see yellowing and leaf loss much more often in containers and in really compact earth. I haven’t had an in ground plant that yellowed out and lost leaves like my containers do yet. I’ve had plants in containers start to yellow but the moment they break through into the earth the yellowing stops. If you’ve got a somewhat decent soil in your yard, and cannabis can get her roots in it usually she’ll get everything she needs.

This is another aspect of what makes me think cannabis is a great balance maker. Her roots can stretch so far and so deep she can pull nutrition from way far away.

As far as keeping them green and container sizes, this is definitely a factor. This is where Revs mixes and spikes come into play. If you want to keep the plants green, you need either larger containers with a good mineralized soil, or you need smaller containers with a supersoil that’s been heavily amended, as well as spikes of high powered nutrients. I also think that if you’re using smaller containers you may have to go with clones to stay green.

Cannabis seems to use up quite a bit of nutrition when growing from seed. I’m gonna tag @Gee64 as well and anyone else with clone experience chime in for this. I’m not entirely sure why it is cannabis seems to use more resources growing from seed than from clone. I understand that a clone will be the same age as its mother when cut, but it doesn’t make sense to me how establishing an entire new root system from a branch doesn’t use up an equivalent amount of resources as establishing from seed.

Why is this? Seeds come with enough resources to germinate and reach veg so it’s not like there’s a big burst of use at that point. So there must be some point during seedling or early to mid veg where a plant takes in a lot of resources for a process it only needs to do in the beginning. Does anyone know what is occurring that makes a seed require that much more than a clone?

I think it's mostly because clones have shorter lives. 3 weeks of veg vs 8 weeks of veg. At least for me.

7 gallons of flower soil usually does me fine for a 3 week veg and 10 weeks of flower. 4 spikes, a bottom layer, and topdressing.

So I generally use Vivosun 7gal cube pots that fit perfectly inside milk crates. You can do 9 milk crates in a 5 x 5 footprint perfectly. And they are cloth so you can water right through them into the flood tray.

If you veg for 2 weeks you can use smaller pots but I find the rootball is lesser at harvest and yield is smaller too.

 

[Keffka]

I think it's mostly because clones have shorter lives. 3 weeks of veg vs 8 weeks of veg. At least for me.

7 gallons of flower soil usually does me fine for a 3 week veg and 10 weeks of flower. 4 spikes, a bottom layer, and topdressing.

So I generally use Vivosun 7gal cube pots that fit perfectly inside milk crates. You can do 9 milk crates in a 5 x 5 footprint perfectly. And they are cloth so you can water right through them into the flood tray.

If you veg for 2 weeks you can use smaller pots but I find the rootball is lesser at harvest and yield is smaller too.

When do you consider veg initiated for a clone, once they’ve rooted and you’ve planted?

Do you have a shot of a clone before planting, then 3 weeks later? I’m having a hard time envisioning a cutting growing that much root and veg mass in 3 weeks

 

[Gee64]

When do you consider veg initiated for a clone, once they’ve rooted and you’ve planted?

Do you have a shot of a clone before planting, then 3 weeks later? I’m having a hard time envisioning a cutting growing that much root and veg mass in 3 weeks

check the cloning link in my signature.

 

[Absorber]

When do you consider veg initiated for a clone, once they’ve rooted and you’ve planted?

Do you have a shot of a clone before planting, then 3 weeks later? I’m having a hard time envisioning a cutting growing that much root and veg mass in 3 weeks

Check the dates on these pictures, I got roots in 6 days and a mass of roots in 23 days from taking cuttings. I start of in the clone bubbler then once roots form into the pimped out mars hydroline they go .

15/12/23

• Absorber
• Dec 15, 2023

Cuttings

21/12/23

• Absorber
• Dec 20, 2023

21/12/23

• Absorber
• Dec 20, 2023

7/1/24

• Absorber
• Jan 7, 2024

Acapulco Gold clone

7/1/24

• Absorber
• Jan 7, 2024

Clones

 

[Keffka]

I don’t normally do stuff like this (I know, everyone says that but if you’ve been following my journals you know I really don’t do this lol) I’m sharing the link to the community patreon:

420 Magazine | Patreon

Creating Cannabis Awareness Since 1993

www.patreon.com

This is for the site itself and to help Rob cover costs. I’ve been on the internet for a long time, and in that time, the cost of developing and hosting a site has changed significantly. Beyond the costs and at the heart of this, Rob, and many of the people here have been instrumental in bringing the truth of cannabis into the mainstream and shedding the reefer madness nonsense. Not only have they changed the narrative around the world, the information I’ve found here is extremely valuable. It is cleanly presented by some of the most respectful and knowledgeable people I’ve ever come across.

Rob has had a similar ethos to mine, where we believe this information should be freely available for all.

Unfortunately, @420 still needs to keep the lights on, and free info doesn’t pay the bills. While we still are dealing with patchwork rules on cannabis companies, there are only so many sponsors, and there is only so much space that can be used to generate revenue.

So this for me is one of those put my money where my mouth is moments. If I truly want this information to be free and accessible, then I need to do my part to make sure that can happen. I am lucky enough to be in a position to give back at least a little bit and I figure I can help further by pushing the message out.

If anyone doesn’t feel comfortable asking questions you’re always free to PM me. If I don’t answer within 12 hours, send it again because I probably got baked and forgot

 

[Keffka]

check the cloning link in my signature.

Check the dates on these pictures, I got roots in 6 days and a mass of roots in 23 days from taking cuttings. I start of in the clone bubbler then once roots form into the pimped out mars hydroline they go .

15/12/23

• Absorber
• Dec 15, 2023

Cuttings

21/12/23

• Absorber
• Dec 20, 2023

21/12/23

• Absorber
• Dec 20, 2023

7/1/24

• Absorber
• Jan 7, 2024

Acapulco Gold clone

7/1/24

• Absorber
• Jan 7, 2024

Clones

Should I DIY an aero cloner, or just purchase one? It seems I won’t save very much going a DIY route based on initial glances

 

[Keffka]

My favorite seed starter.. getting the cups ready today and picking up EWC tomorrow

 

[Gee64]

Should I DIY an aero cloner, or just purchase one? It seems I won’t save very much going a DIY route based on initial glances

I bought a KloneKing 36 many years ago and it still works fine. They are pretty easy to build too.

 

[Absorber]

Should I DIY an aero cloner, or just purchase one? It seems I won’t save very much going a DIY route based on initial glances

The one I brought was about $130 at the time I got it i hadn't seen a bubbler before and it didn't occur to bother making it for that plus the clear solid lid was the clincher for me plus the DIY bucket style ones only do about 5 or 6 and the one I brought does 24 . And like you said I dont think you will save much making one

 

[Keffka]

@Azimuth will you explain your method for cloning? If I remember right, it’s fairly low tech.

@Roy Growin I feel like once upon a time you explained a very simple method you use for cloning. Am I remembering this correctly, and if so will you explain it?

 

[Azimuth]

@Azimuth will you explain your method for cloning? If I remember right, it’s fairly low tech.

That was a lot of words to describe a process that is simply:

1. Take 4-5"/10-12cm long cuttings from your plant
2. Trim off all side branches, leaving just the top cluster of leaves
3. Stick them in a coarse medium like perlite or builder's sand
4. Mist the leaves twice a day, 12 hours apart (ish)

* The more detailed version can be found in the quoted post from the prior page.

 

[Roy Growin]

@Keffka - I soak a coco pellet in tepid water, make an oversized hole
Cut a branch from the bottom or middle of the plant with a tip and two sets of leaves
Cut at 45° just below the bottom pair of leaves, then strip off those two
By pulling them off instead of cutting you will strip the 'skin' from below the node to the cut end
Quick dunk in rooting gel and pop it in the hole in the plug, then squeeze/massage the plug so it is loosely supporting the stem - I like to plant the plug into coco/perlite so the roots don't dry when they emerge from the plug
Mist then stick in a propagator/dome/plastic bag
Usually takes 7-10 days

blue-dream-cuttings.jpg

• Roy Growin
• Aug 30, 2023

blue-dream-clone-roots.jpg

• Roy Growin
• Aug 30, 2023

 

[Keffka]

Awesome! Thank you for the explanations and tips, @Gee64 @Absorber @Azimuth and @Roy Growin

It makes it a million times easier looking over your processes instead of hunting through marketing materials and growers I don’t know stuff.

 

[Gee64]

Awesome! Thank you for the explanations and tips, @Gee64 @Absorber @Azimuth and @Roy Growin

It makes it a million times easier looking over your processes instead of hunting through marketing materials and growers I don’t know stuff.

I have found that some strains work really well in aero cloners, and some strains work best in a soil-like substrate (coco, pete, pro-mix, etc..) and some work either way, so if you have some pro-mix or sunshine mix kicking around you can always try that before purchasing a cloner.