Jon's Outdoor Winter Photoperiod Grow

Dark it out. You’re talking about on the flip, right? For like 24 hours of dark then begin 12/12? It’s supposed to accelerate the transition. Have you done it ever?
Yes. And yes done it many times. Many many . Old days we thought that it would give a day of rest for plant cause it's was so much of a stress to them some would die if u drastically went from 18 hours to 8 . Before we knew it was 12.7 or less hours or whatever the guros know the zone plants know it's time to flower cause winter is coming.

Lmao. Didn't say it was right
 
Yes. And yes done it many times. Many many . Old days we thought that it would give a day of rest for plant cause it's was so much of a stress to them some would die if u drastically went from 18 hours to 8 . Before we knew it was 12.7 or less hours or whatever the guros know the zone plants know it's time to flower cause winter is coming.

Lmao. Didn't say it was right
Thanks! I’ve been considering trying it for 24 hours of dark then switching to 12/12. My buddy across the state tried it and said it jumpstarts them really well.
 
Thanks! I’ve been considering trying it for 24 hours of dark then switching to 12/12. My buddy across the state tried it and said it jumpstarts them really well.
It does make it quicker but the plant will slow down and it's all same anyway. But tell u the truth letting them do it own their own is healthy for them. . maybe not u but yeah them they seem to do a better health transactions between switching
 
It does make it quicker but the plant will slow down and it's all same anyway. But tell u the truth letting them do it own their own is healthy for them. . maybe not u but yeah them they seem to do a better health transactions between switching
Plant will go throw a slow period twice in a cycle. Twice during solstices and hot to cold temps. Natural.
 
WTF

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Maybe the whole pack got mislabeled and Barney’s sent me autos? I’ve seen my share of plants in flower and never seen this NOT be flower. This plant sure as shit looks to be budding. Again….what the F? The only logical answer seems to be that this is an auto. If that’s the case, I leave her in the tent on 20/4 as a 12 hours of light outdoor auto is a complete waste of time and money. At least she has a nice canopy and excellent spacing between the colas. Thing is, this doesn’t quite look like flowering either. It looks like some in between state. Very odd. Anyway, you see what we have going on. Anyone have a viable alternate explanation???
 
Maybe the whole pack got mislabeled and Barney’s sent me autos? I’ve seen my share of plants in flower and never seen this NOT be flower. This plant sure as shit looks to be budding. Again….what the F? The only logical answer seems to be that this is an auto. If that’s the case, I leave her in the tent on 20/4 as a 12 hours of light outdoor auto is a complete waste of time and money. At least she has a nice canopy and excellent spacing between the colas. Thing is, this doesn’t quite look like flowering either. It looks like some in between state. Very odd. Anyway, you see what we have going on. Anyone have a viable alternate explanation???
Guess what? I just checked everywhere and in every possible way. Tropicanna Banana AUTO DOES NOT EXIST. Nobody makes the strain in auto form. Certainly not Barney’s.

So….that’s enough proof for me. It’s a weird photo and nothing more. I’m putting it outside and sending it to flower today.
 
Ok…the deed is done. So we now have three plants in flower.

Mac and Jack day 33
Mandarin Zkittlez day 23
Tropicanna Banana day 1


The two outdoor girls are truly a tale of two plants. They’re like Mutt and Jeff.

Here’s LeiLei, the Mandarin Zkittlez, then the Tropicanna Banana, then a shot of the hilarity of the two side by side…

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Ok…the deed is done. So we now have three plants in flower.

Mac and Jack day 33
Mandarin Zkittlez day 23
Tropicanna Banana day 1


The two outdoor girls are truly a tale of two plants. They’re like Mutt and Jeff.

Here’s LeiLei, the Mandarin Zkittlez, then the Tropicanna Banana, then a shot of the hilarity of the two side by side…

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Btw - in the world’s greatest stroke of luck, the dude next door who owns the pool you see in the background and who looks at the plants every day is a retired doctor from Mexico who used matijuana himself for a sciatica he has had for years. He says his lungs are too old to smoke it anymore but he still occasionally eats edibles. He is heavily supportive of what I do. Sometimes even I get lucky.
 
I flipped yesterday as well. I have a copasetic neighbor as well, although I don't grow outdoors. It makes life more enjoyable.

Looking forward to see what you've got.
Thanks @Hafta. It’s too bad cuz my plan was to veg out a nice comparison to your girl. I was gonna train out around 60 tops and have a two and a half foot wide canopy before flipping her. This is hardly the same. Still, it’ll be interesting. Let’s keep doing this. If nothing else it’s fun and interesting.
 
I flipped yesterday as well. I have a copasetic neighbor as well, although I don't grow outdoors. It makes life more enjoyable.

Looking forward to see what you've got.
Copacetic neighbors rock!
 
I flipped yesterday as well. I have a copasetic neighbor as well, although I don't grow outdoors. It makes life more enjoyable.

Looking forward to see what you've got.
Hey @Hafta, I’m very curious to see what kind of stretch you get from your plant. In my experience and opinion, the more tops you have, the less vertical stretch you get. I have come to believe that the plant has X amount of stretch in it from birth - genetically preordained. The amount of stretch that one gets depends on how far “diluted” (or how distributed) that X amount of stretch is. So max stretch would be from no topping and one main cola up the middle, while minimal stretch would be from what we do - spread that stretch energy out into as many tops as we can. Any thoughts on that experience/opinion/philosophy?
 
Can you contact the breeder and see if that's something that has been reported by others? If nothing else, maybe they'll toss you a bone of something new coming up that no one else has just yet.
I’m sure if I bitch to Barney’s they’ll toss me something. That’s pretty much how most of the seed sellers work. First I’m going to pop the last seed I have left of this and see if the same thing happens.
 
Mac and Jack
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Only 33 days in and these colas are already so heavy they’re all coming down. So I took the necessary steps. Here’s a photo series showing the supports, and what it gave me. Note in the second picture that a node with a leaf, where you have a sort of double little bump out from the stem, makes a good spot for the top of the support post so it stays up. The last picture is a closeup of the interior of a forming cola - frost shot. Heh. Btw - this pot is so dense with roots I had to mostly place the support posts in the outside edge between the root ball and the pot. It was very difficult to try and push through the roots.

I have hit all the right notes with this plant so far. Hopefully we can bring her home as sweet as she is now. I have upped the CalMag by 2ml./gallon, so she now gets 7 ml each time instead of 5. That’s working too so far. One day I’ll find someone who can tell me why LEDs make many strains chomp through the Calcium or Mg much faster than they do in natural sunlight. (Anyone else observe this?)

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Hey @Hafta, I’m very curious to see what kind of stretch you get from your plant. In my experience and opinion, the more tops you have, the less vertical stretch you get. I have come to believe that the plant has X amount of stretch in it from birth - genetically preordained. The amount of stretch that one gets depends on how far “diluted” (or how distributed) that X amount of stretch is. So max stretch would be from no topping and one main cola up the middle, while minimal stretch would be from what we do - spread that stretch energy out into as many tops as we can. Any thoughts on that experience/opinion/philosophy?
Absolutely. I've seen similar.
I only top once after the 4th node.
During my training I am growing the branches sideways in an arc (much more stable cola support than right angles by the way) and they end up being 18" - 24" in length. So when I flip I let them grow vertically after a week or two, more or less. While I was anticipating the plant to add another 18' - 36" in height during stretch, I only see far less than half that. This even applies to the middle, untrained branches.
This is fine with me, IMO. I hope to grow roots and buds with very little in between.
Since I just flipped and you have a very weird plant, maybe I'll let this one go vertical from now without any further horizontal training. I will still need to apply vertical separation eventually but we can get a real number on the stretch..
 
Mac and Jack
SUPPORT


Only 33 days in and these colas are already so heavy they’re all coming down. So I took the necessary steps. Here’s a photo series showing the supports, and what it gave me. Note in the second picture that a node with a leaf, where you have a sort of double little bump out from the stem, makes a good spot for the top of the support post so it stays up. The last picture is a closeup of the interior of a forming cola - frost shot. Heh. Btw - this pot is so dense with roots I had to mostly place the support posts in the outside edge between the root ball and the pot. It was very difficult to try and push through the roots.

I have hit all the right notes with this plant so far. Hopefully we can bring her home as sweet as she is now. I have upped the CalMag by 2ml./gallon, so she now gets 7 ml each time instead of 5. That’s working too so far. One day I’ll find someone who can tell me why LEDs make many strains chomp through the Calcium or Mg much faster than they do in natural sunlight. (Anyone else observe this?)

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CalMag
While I am germinating the seed I am also soaking a 1" rockwool cube in rooting solution. Once the tap root is about an inch it is placed in the rock wool (which has been dunked in RO and allowed to drain) and then in a net basket with hydroton. This is then placed directly into the reservoir location and the reservoir is prepared with MSA and a full compliment of CalMag.
On my current grow I really exposed the plant to a lot of LED intensity. After sprouting and a couple of nodes, the plant showed CalMag deficiency so I began to add more. I ended up adding 2 1/2 times the recommended amount before the plant showed total recovery. This took a few weeks since I am hesitant to overdo nutes.
I can't tell you why but I am experiencing the same situation.
 
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