Jinn's Coco Hempy Harem 2014

Jinn! good update killing it with the hempy as always!! KUDOS!
Thanks man, I love HEMPY!
Hey Jinn.....cant remember if i was here today and doing minimal catch up right now, but wanted to say hello and i hope you had a great day.....and i am glad to see all the people going over to Hooch's journal as per your link.......your a good guy my friend and its a pleasure to know you:)

I've had a pretty good day, and I'm glad so many people went and checked on Hooch! Thats why I love this place, I may have asked people to help him, but you guys were the ones that went over there and made stuff happen.
I'll be happy to share my knowledge, and spread the word as long as this community is as awesome as it is.
 
I feed to 10% run off. It helps prevent build up of salts, and is enough to flush out the old nutrients and less oxygenated water.
And there is no need to add anything to the res hempy does great as is.

Morning from the east to the west my friend.....i reread this this morning and it got my brain sizzling with thoughts of my dwc......as far as flushing every 2 weeks.....i dont remember you saying you use any thing to flush.....just by adding new nutes on top to refresh the oxygen and nute solution........well with my dwc i tend to empty the resevoir mid week and refill with fresh nutes......why the need to flush every two weeks......i wonder wouldnt it be the same theory except hempy gets refreshed every 1 to 2 days.....but you will never get all the salt build up out.....imo.....there will always be so much left at the bottom of the res........just curious of your thoughts on it....i dont remeber if you have done dwc, but still the same principal.....roots make thier way to the res and then spend the rest of thier time submerged.....only difference than constant oxygen action to the roots in dwc is the amount of res that the roots sit in:)......food for thought or am i too stoned once again?:)
 
Seems to me hempy would provide more oxygen than DWC. I have a weird love hate relationship with dwc as it requires so much oxygenation to the water to make it effective and you better not let that air stone or pump go out. This is why I am trying ebb and flow along with soil and hempy as my next :). Don't get me wrong I'm gonna do a cap'n style chonger but I feel I may end up with a soiless medium top feeding every day or two.

My ebb and flow is kicking the butt out of my organic soil grows. So I feel 100 perlite may be where I'm headed :)
 
Good morning everyone!

I flush every two weeks with ph'd water, because coco can absorb excess salts. If you're using something like straight perlite in your hempy, you don't need to flush every two weeks like I do. And to be honest, I probably don't need to flush, but its kept my garden extremely happy so far, so I'm going to keep it up.

And the reason hempy does need a pump for oxygenation, is the hole on the side of the bucket acts as passive intake for oxygen to be distributed to the root mass; DWC has all of the root mass in water, hempy only has about 2" of its roots at most (because it only holds like 2" of water lol)

The other awesome part of the simple hempy design, is perlite isn't just awesome for its amazing drainage capability, it also acts as a highway for oxygen to flow throughout root system. So as long as there is breathable air, and a light, the hempy bucket will work.
 
I assume you meant hempy does NOT need an air pump ? :)
 
Seems to me hempy would provide more oxygen than DWC. I have a weird love hate relationship with dwc as it requires so much oxygenation to the water to make it effective and you better not let that air stone or pump go out. This is why I am trying ebb and flow along with soil and hempy as my next :). Don't get me wrong I'm gonna do a cap'n style chonger but I feel I may end up with a soiless medium top feeding every day or two.

My ebb and flow is kicking the butt out of my organic soil grows. So I feel 100 perlite may be where I'm headed :)

Now that is interesting because i actually have the opposite thoughts on that......i believe the constant flow of oxygen matched with the correct size(i personally dont think you can go to big:) ) pump, and airstone delivers more oxygen then the passive flow of hempy.....i believe with the hole drilled into the side that it allows more oxygen combined with perlite flow through the bucket, but there are still restrictions with the bucket only having the one hole drilled.....as to with the airstone the entire resevoir is constantly pulling in fresh oxygen.....but that is just the ramblings of an old stoner:)lol
 
Good morning everyone!

I flush every two weeks with ph'd water, because coco can absorb excess salts. If you're using something like straight perlite in your hempy, you don't need to flush every two weeks like I do. And to be honest, I probably don't need to flush, but its kept my garden extremely happy so far, so I'm going to keep it up.

And the reason hempy does need a pump for oxygenation, is the hole on the side of the bucket acts as passive intake for oxygen to be distributed to the root mass; DWC has all of the root mass in water, hempy only has about 2" of its roots at most (because it only holds like 2" of water lol)

The other awesome part of the simple hempy design, is perlite isn't just awesome for its amazing drainage capability, it also acts as a highway for oxygen to flow throughout root system. So as long as there is breathable air, and a light, the hempy bucket will work.

I can agree with this.....and understand what your saying about the passive intake, but short of a malfunction right now i still sway to the dwc, but i am anxious to see the root mass i end up with in the hempy.....might change my mind on oxygen delivery effectiveness.......now i mmight be going off the deep end here, but what about a hybrid system of sorts.....lets say instead of 2 inches make it 3 or 4 drop an airstone down in there and force feed the res oxygen?:)lol......if i am too high to continue this conversation....please someone step in:rofl:

I assume you meant hempy does NOT need an air pump ? :)

Welll if you take my crazy idea and run with it then yes:rofl:.....but i am pretty sure your assumption is spot on:)lol
 
I assume the top feed creates a vacuum the same way my ebb and flow creates a vacuum. Technically this pulls air all the way through if your feeding plus 10% run off like jinn. I think the side hole just helps so it doesnt HAVE to travel as far down the perlite. But like you green dreamz this could be stoner rambling hahaha haha - appearantly I can't make up my mind anyways cuz I have 4 different methods going haha haha haha
 
Oh mono :) lol jk

What's ur thoughts mono ? Do you stay soil for simplicity reasons?
 
I assume you meant hempy does NOT need an air pump ? :)
You are correct, no air pump needed for hempy, I made a typo.
Now that is interesting because i actually have the opposite thoughts on that......i believe the constant flow of oxygen matched with the correct size(i personally dont think you can go to big:) ) pump, and airstone delivers more oxygen then the passive flow of hempy.....i believe with the hole drilled into the side that it allows more oxygen combined with perlite flow through the bucket, but there are still restrictions with the bucket only having the one hole drilled.....as to with the airstone the entire resevoir is constantly pulling in fresh oxygen.....but that is just the ramblings of an old stoner:)lol
Technically, you're correct. The pump and airstone do deliver more oxygen than the passive flow of the hempy.
However, I stated earlier, the difference in root mass in the actual reservoir is rather profound between DWC and Hempy.
Hempy has a very small fraction of its root mass in the water, therefore has only a very small fraction of the oxygenation needs.
So while an air stone/pump would provide more oxygen, its useless as the hempy already has more than enough to meet its needs.
I can agree with this.....and understand what your saying about the passive intake, but short of a malfunction right now i still sway to the dwc, but i am anxious to see the root mass i end up with in the hempy.....might change my mind on oxygen delivery effectiveness.......now i mmight be going off the deep end here, but what about a hybrid system of sorts.....lets say instead of 2 inches make it 3 or 4 drop an airstone down in there and force feed the res oxygen?:)lol......if i am too high to continue this conversation....please someone step in:rofl:

Welll if you take my crazy idea and run with it then yes:rofl:.....but i am pretty sure your assumption is spot on:)lol
^ see above.

I assume the top feed creates a vacuum the same way my ebb and flow creates a vacuum. Technically this pulls air all the way through if your feeding plus 10% run off like jinn. I think the side hole just helps so it doesnt HAVE to travel as far down the perlite. But like you green dreamz this could be stoner rambling hahaha haha - appearantly I can't make up my mind anyways cuz I have 4 different methods going haha haha haha
You are correct about the vaccum! and we know you can't make up your mind haha thats why youve got 4 methods and 4 grow areas lol
Wow guys, just been reading all the posts above. :) sounds so complicated compared to soil lol
Its really not.
Guide to Hempy Buckets

This style of growing is a huge hit in the US and Canada. Hempy buckets are a great option for growers looking to cultivate big plants, they are also cheap to make and easy to maintain.

To make one, you will need;

A couple of fine hempy bucket examples
- A 20L black plastic bucket (important that it’s black, as this will keep light out of the root zone and prevent algae from growing in the reservoir)

- A drill with a quarter inch or half inch drill bit

- A tray or saucer to catch run-off

- A mix of 3 parts perlite and 1 part vermiculite

- Any decent hydroponic nutrient

Drill a hole on the side of the bucket, 2 inches from the base. Fill the bucket with the perlite / vermiculite mix and pot up your plant (the plant should be root bound in a propagation block). Water from above until you see run-off coming out of the hole on the side of the bucket. The base of the bucket is now a reservoir, effectively mimicking the water table that a plant feeds from when naturally growing outdoors.

For the first 2 weeks the plant will need to be watered little and often - every other day - as its root’s fill the bucket and head towards the reservoir at the bottom. Once the roots reach the reservoir, the growth is phenomenal! The watering is then reduced to twice a week, hand water with nutrient solution until you have achieved around 10%-20% run-off, then you can be sure that you’ve replaced the old nutrients in the reservoir and have drawn fresh oxygen into the root zone.

The hempy bucket offers the constant supply of nutrient, water and oxygen that leads to rapid growth and massive buds. When the roots hit that reservoir at the bottom of the bucket your plant will fly! They’re also less maintenance than a hydro system, as you only check your EC and pH when you feed, rather than monitoring a nutrient tank.

The only downside is that planting up in a relatively large container from the start may mean a longer than usual veg period, so using a larger bucket may not be so suitable if you’re growing small Autoflowering varieties. In which case, simply use a smaller bucket like a 5L or 10L. Alternatively, if you like the idea of very big plants, you could even give a 25L or 30L bucket a go.

So what type of grower are the hempy buckets good for?

Use a good quality hydroponic nutrient for best results
• New growers – when starting out from fresh, there is so much to think about when growing indoors that it makes sense to simplify the actual feeding of your plants. Using a hempy bucket with a built-in reservoir, turns watering into a twice-weekly task… rather than a daily chore. This allows you to concentrate on mastering the basics of your grow room; lights, extraction and fighting the urge to trim off your first buds as soon as you spot them! Newbies scouting for a fail-safe system should look no further, hempy buckets could well be your saviour!

• Nervous over-waterers! – there’s no denying that there is a certain type of grower, usually ones that have easy access to their plants and keep them in their home, who just can’t help checking up on them and having a fiddle! The temptation to ‘just give them a bit extra’ can be so strong, that they eventually over water or over feed. Hempy buckets are ideal for this type of grower, because they allow you to set a strict feeding schedule of watering every 3 days. If you’re still desperate to fiddle with your plants, check out an article on pruning.

• Growers on a budget – if you’re starting a grow on a tight budget and don’t have too much cash to splash on your grow set up, head to your local shop and pick yourself up a few black plastic 20L buckets and a couple of bags of perlite and vermiculite. You can create a hempy bucket set up for a lower price than some quality pots and two bags of soil – and you’ll most likely score a better yield! The perlite can also be washed and reused, saving a little bit more money. All good grow shops stock buckets, perlite and vermiculite, so get them from there rather than the big chain DIY places. Support your local grow shops!

• Growers who like BIG plants – when growing your own, it’s all about getting maximum yield with minimal risk. To avoid getting caught with your hands dirty, it’s generally accepted that less is more. Hempy buckets are a great option for pulling more yield off fewer plants. Check the US forums; you’ll see hempy buckets being used extensively … the plants look like tress!

Here are a few hempy hints and tips for those of you who are itching to give it a go…

Use a quality hydroponic nutrient. It may sound obvious but, when using a reservoir in a passive set-up, organic nutrients will spoil as quickly as they would in active hydro, possibly even quicker as there is no pump to agitate or oxygenate the solution. In hempy buckets you’ll need a good quality, mineral feed.

You can, in theory, start plants in any growing medium and transfer them to your buckets. But, in practice, to avoid transplant shock and keep things clean, try to use a hydroponic medium like coco, rockwool or even a pot of vermiculite and perlite mixed. You can still use a sponge starter cube, like a Root Riot, if you wish.

Plants grown in hempy buckets can get BIG; particularly if you’re using larger buckets, like a 25L or 30L. Plan your space accordingly; you don’t want to overcrowd your room. Also, it’s a good idea to invest in some bamboo canes, yoyos or nets to support those large buds!

Keep your grow room clean and safe; invest in some large saucers or a tray to catch run off after watering your buckets.

Experiment with your growing media. Some growers like to use a 3:1 perlite / vermiculite mix, some like to use straight perlite. Some even like to fill the reservoir of their buckets with perlite or clay pebbles and then add coco on top. Half of the fun of growing your own is experimenting, try a few methods out and see what works for you.

So, there you have it; want to cut down on your watering workload and grow bigger plants? Get the drill out, get yourself some plastic buckets and give it a go.
 
Good discussion on the O2 content in hempys. That idea that Green Dreamz has is interesting. I'm picturing it now...hole in bucket for draining, shared by air line to air stone. Aeration and turbulence in the reservoir, and a positive flow of O2 all the way to the top of the bucket. With the vast amount of space between the particles of perlite, the flow of O2 would be diffused greatly and take the shape of an inverted cone. As well, each time you watered, you would be changing the arrangement of perlite through the settling effect, thus changing the route the O2 would take, ensuring greater exposure to more roots. You may be onto something, GD.
 
Good discussion on the O2 content in hempys. That idea that Green Dreamz has is interesting. I'm picturing it now...hole in bucket for draining, shared by air line to air stone. Aeration and turbulence in the reservoir, and a positive flow of O2 all the way to the top of the bucket. With the vast amount of space between the particles of perlite, the flow of O2 would be diffused greatly and take the shape of an inverted cone. As well, each time you watered, you would be changing the arrangement of perlite through the settling effect, thus changing the route the O2 would take, ensuring greater exposure to more roots. You may be onto something, GD.

my post earlier tackles the O2 issue, however,
I will admit a diffuser in the res,while not providing a significant benefit via oxygen, the resulting agitation of the nutrients would allow for easier,and more efficient nutrient up take from the roots.
 
I wonder if it's too late to move one of my Snow White's to another bucket with an airstone in it? They are pretty small yet. But, thinking on it, I would probably be better off starting a new grow with that set-up. OK. Auto grow three with air stones it is.
 
Well i can already tell you that i will be doing another hempy.....i am enjoying the results i am seeing so it is fun for me to do something different that is obviously working and simple......so the next time i think just for shits and giggles i will use another 3 gallon bucket and i think 3 inches should be high enough....and i will put a stone in there and we will see if helps or not......i see your point Jinn, but now that i have said it and it could go either way....might just be an added hassle to an already simple and effective system, but what the hell:).....i think i have seen something similar with someone on 420 but i believe it was with soil.....i will have to do some thinking on who that might have been and see if i can find it.......oh well ......before i know it i have typed half a page:)lol......
 
I was planning on ordering some photos in the new year. I'm thinking of some Chocolate Chunk, maybe in a flux. But now, I'm thinking a hempy/airstone/flux set up in a 90 litre tote. That gives me 30" X 18" surface, so two totes per light. It will be a summer grow during the veg state, so heat will be a minor issue, aiming to start flowering in September. Who knows? May or may not work.
 
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