InTheShed Grows Inside & Out: Jump In Any Time

[BakedARea]

I am still trying to learn that tough lesson, Shed.

After every grow it's, "Next time I'll start them off quicker." And then the next grow I pretty much do the same as the last one.

Growing is hard!

Shit man...are you like a copy of my life and thought processes?! Wait, maybe I'm a copy of you and we don't know it!

I know you're using MC I think which is a bit different than my GeoFlora. But I think I started my feed on my autos a week or two, too late.

Remembering is harder!

Aaaaa-freakin-meeeennn!!!

Some solid preaching happening here for a Sunday.

 

[InTheShed]

I know you're using MC I think which is a bit different than my GeoFlora. But I think I started my feed on my autos a week or two, too late

I'm using MC as one ingredient of a 5-part mix, but to your point, ideally GF should be mixed in to the soil two weeks before you plant or transplant. If you haven't, then I'd top dress as soon as you drop the seed in so there will be dissolved nutes by the time it needs it.

 

[BakedARea]

I'd top dress as soon as you drop the seed

That is where I slipped. I just top dressed a few days ago. Prior to that though, I was doing a mild liquid feed. I figured the soil mix needed an extra punch. I think I still underfed mine.

 

[smokesbetter]

Damn after the trim job you could really see how thick that Candida was ! I still say that wide leaf is a Indica .

 

[Moony]

Hey shed. Great trim job on the candida!

I think that's my biggest knowledge gap and definitely the thing I'm least confident about.


I usually do lollipopping as needed and one big one once they are in their final pots. But when it comes to the final stripping of fans etc in week 2-3 of flower I'm still in the trial and error and nervous stage haha. Any pointers would be great buddy. I've watched alot of videos etc and I've done it a couple of times but I've never had anyone check my work haha.

Hope all's well on your end too

 

[Nine Toed Hippie]

Hey shed. Great trim job on the candida!

I think that's my biggest knowledge gap and definitely the thing I'm least confident about.


I usually do lollipopping as needed and one big one once they are in their final pots. But when it comes to the final stripping of fans etc in week 2-3 of flower I'm still in the trial and error and nervous stage haha. Any pointers would be great buddy. I've watched alot of videos etc and I've done it a couple of times but I've never had anyone check my work haha.

Hope all's well on your end too

^^^ X 2 ^^^

NTH

 

[InTheShed]

Before I get to the quotes, I want to point to this weekends pic posts (in case you missed them) because today I got nuttin'! Cold and grey today and getting ready to rain tomorrow here.

This was from Saturday, and from Sunday.


Quotes!

That is where I slipped. I just top dressed a few days ago. Prior to that though, I was doing a mild liquid feed. I figured the soil mix needed an extra punch. I think I still underfed mine.

If it was early days and no GF, it was probably just a question of going to light on the liquid nutes.

Damn after the trim job you could really see how thick that Candida was ! I still say that wide leaf is a Indica .

Thanks sb! Funny thing is that WSE has the Varin as 100% sativa.

Hey shed. Great trim job on the candida!

Thank you Moony!

I usually do lollipopping as needed and one big one once they are in their final pots. But when it comes to the final stripping of fans etc in week 2-3 of flower I'm still in the trial and error and nervous stage haha. Any pointers would be great buddy. I've watched alot of videos etc and I've done it a couple of times but I've never had anyone check my work.

There are so many theories and ways to trim plants that everyone has to find something they think works for them. I just read last week someone here recommend taking off every fan in flower that isn't in a bud, but that's about 180º from what I do in flower.

I've posted this before I think, but the goal of pre-flower thinning is moving growth to the top, and that's when I take both leaves and branches that appear too weak or short to make it to the top in flower (a standard lollipop) like I did here on the Candida. I'll probably have to do it again before I flip since it will be a while yet.

However, when I thin after stretch, I take smaller branches and flowers but not the adjoining fan leaves, like this. And here are a few pics of the technique I use when I did pre-flip thinning on the Jack Herer. The plant will use those fans to create the sugars to build the buds, and it will draw from them anything it can if it needs to later in flower. If you ever decide to drought in flower, it will need every single fan it has.

I thin in flower this way because I only want larger top flowers with #nolarf. A plant/root system can only support so much bud at harvest, and I want my buds on the top third of the top branches.

^^^ X 2 ^^^

I hope that helped in terms of what I do.

 

[Moony]

There are so many theories and ways to trim plants that everyone has to find something they think works for them. I just read last week someone here recommend taking off every fan in flower that isn't in a bud, but that's about 180º from what I do in flower.

I've posted this before I think, but the goal of pre-flower thinning is moving growth to the top, and that's when I take both leaves and branches that appear too weak or short to make it to the top in flower (a standard lollipop) like I did here on the Candida. I'll probably have to do it again before I flip since it will be a while yet.

However, when I thin after stretch, I take smaller branches and flowers but not the adjoining fan leaves, like this. And here are a few pics of the technique I use when I did it on the Jack Herer. The plant will use those fans to create the sugars to build the buds, and it will draw from them anything it can if it needs to later in flower. If you ever decide to drought in flower, it will need every single fan it has.

I thin in flower this way because I only want larger top flowers with #nolarf. A plant/root system can only support so much bud at harvest, and I want my buds on the top third of the top branches.

I hope that helped in terms of what I do.

Hey shed. It was me that suggested that. However i have video evidence to show what I mean haha. I would say I may not have communicated it properly. This video is literally what I was talking about and it looks alot like what you do.

I'll probably get In trouble for posting this but meh.

It's not advertising or anything so I should be ok but if not I needed to show what I mean

 

[Melville Hobbes]

Thanks sb! Funny thing is that WSE has the Varin as 100% sativa.

I was thinking about this, and I remembered a friend of mine was growing an Indian landrace, I think he said it was from Parvati. It started out with really wide leaves, very indica looking. But as it got older and taller the leaves got thinner and thinner until it looked totally sativa. It also had long internodes, and easily reached 3 metres tall. Had a fairly long flowering period too.
It was totally sativa except for those first leaves.

 

[Melville Hobbes]

Forgot to mention, the leaves were absolutely enormous. From the bottom almost to the very top, bigger than my hand, and I'm not a small guy.

 

[BakedARea]

I wish we could get away from using Indica and Sativa for varieties and that they only affect people or grow a certain way. They are subspecies. Well at least that's where they are currently in botany. We need to accept that the marketing and information spread within the cannabis industry, using sativa and indica, has been overwhelmingly wrong. It has led to an overall naive and ignorant perspective on how botany terms are used. I was wrong for many years and did not understand. Even now, I still find myself looking for that information out of habit or even mentioning it in conversations.

We need to be focused on terpenes and how they work together with the countless unnamed Cannabinoids. Doesn't matter if using for medicine or recreation (still medicine), we need to be doing a better job of expressing a plant varietal (cultivar) to the public and as cultivators.

 

[Moony]

I wish we could get away from using Indica and Sativa for varieties and that they only affect people or grow a certain way. They are subspecies. Well at least that's where they are currently in botany. We need to accept that the marketing and information spread within the cannabis industry, using sativa and indica, has been overwhelming wrong. It has led to an overall naive and ignorant perspective on how botany terms are used. I was wrong for many years and did not understand. Even now, I still find myself looking for that information out of habit or even mentioning it in conversations.

We need to be focused on terpenes and how they work together with the countless unnamed Cannabinoids. Doesn't matter if using for medicine or recreation (still medicine), we need to be doing a better job of expressing a plant varietal (cultivar) to the public and as cultivators.

Yeah I agree. I think alot of the information given is bollocks. I've had the same strain be a completely different plant so the information that a strain is "increasing creativity or get ready to be introspective and lethargic" and all the other fancy ways of saying you'll be stoned... It's all just marketing.

A single strain can have hundreds of phenos depending on the farm it was produced etc. And each pheno can be drastically different in taste and strength. So in the end it's all just words.

The THC content is important but again it's alot of guesswork. A single plant has various strengths and tastes and effects going up and down the plant so even labels are kinda guesswork.

I think it's just marketing that's all. If your aware it's basically harmless. People gotta sell stuff and will lie or exaggerate to do so.

Nevermind the fact people are effected differently by the exact same smoke etc. Too many variable to say facts. In the end I just look for reviews and try to come to some sort of idea by placing shit together.

It's same with all things though. Just seems wierd because weed has become more mainstream so the usual sales techniques are being brought in to what used to be an underground thing.

 

[InTheShed]

Hey shed. It was me that suggested that. However i have video evidence to show what I mean haha. I would say I may not have communicated it properly. This video is literally what I was talking about and it looks alot like what you do.
I'll probably get In trouble for posting this but meh.
It's not advertising or anything so I should be ok but if not I needed to show what I mean

Thanks Moony! I love the fact that he starts out by saying that it it only took a few days for the canopy to recover from the last stripping he did and that after a week it looks like he never touched them. He never stops to think about (or at least explain) why that is. It's because his plants spent their energy regrowing the fans he took off. I don't want my plants spending their flowering days using energy to regrow leaves...I want them growing flowers. But that's me.

Like I said, everyone has to find a way that suits them, and I had to find a way that made sense for me.

I was thinking about this, and I remembered a friend of mine was growing an Indian landrace, I think he said it was from Parvati. It started out with really wide leaves, very indica looking. But as it got older and taller the leaves got thinner and thinner until it looked totally sativa. It also had long internodes, and easily reached 3 metres tall. Had a fairly long flowering period too.
It was totally sativa except for those first leaves. Forgot to mention, the leaves were absolutely enormous. From the bottom almost to the very top, bigger than my hand, and I'm not a small guy.

Thanks Melville! I've had some plants start with wide leaves and have the new ones get slimmer as it grew, but never this wide by a long shot. If they continue like this after topping I'll be surprised.

I wish we could get away from using Indica and Sativa for varieties and that they only affect people or grow a certain way. They are subspecies. Well at least that's where they are currently in botany. We need to accept that the marketing and information spread within the cannabis industry, using sativa and indica, has been overwhelming wrong. It has led to an overall naive and ignorant perspective on how botany terms are used. I was wrong for many years and did not understand. Even now, I still find myself looking for that information out of habit or even mentioning it in conversations.

We need to be focused on terpenes and how they work together with the countless unnamed Cannabinoids. Doesn't matter if using for medicine or recreation (still medicine), we need to be doing a better job of expressing a plant varietal (cultivar) to the public and as cultivators.

Thanks for that Baked! A while back (when we had more scientific minds here) there was a discussion about terpenes being much more responsible for the effect of a variety on the body rather than its designation on the sativa/indica scale.

This video goes into that a bit starting around 6:30 but if I can find the discussion from a few years ago I will post it later today:

Nevermind the fact people are effected differently by the exact same smoke etc. Too many variable to say facts. In the end I just look for reviews and try to come to some sort of idea by placing shit together.

So true! It's what makes cannabis more complicated to use as a medicine as repeatability from patient to patient is nothing like it is with pharmaceuticals. The endocannabinoid system seems to be much more individual than a lot of the other systems in our bodies.

 

[Moony]

Thanks Moony! I love the fact that he starts out by saying that it it only took a few days for the canopy to recover from the last stripping he did and that after a week it looks like he never touched them. He never stops to think about (or at least explain) why that is. It's because his plants spent their energy regrowing the fans he took off. I don't want my plants spending their flowering days using energy to regrow leaves...I want them growing flowers. But that's me.

Like I said, everyone has to find a way that suits them, and I had to find a way that made sense for me.

What you said makes complete sense too!! Arrgh I feel like I can't find out what's the right thing to do! This guy does have nice results and so do you!! I'm lost I just wish there was a right and wrong answer but it all seems so confusing to me.

Can't you do a cool edited video like this guy so I can see your work too @InTheShed lol

I really just want to do right by my plants. I've seen others suggest an early flower prune and strip too so it's not just this guy. Please help me shed! lol remember I am completely indoor so does that change anything?

 

[InTheShed]

I just wish there was a right and wrong answer but it all seems so confusing to me.

It's only confusing until you make up your mind as to which approach you'd prefer.

Can't you do a cool edited video like this guy so I can see your work too

Nah. My before/after pics are self-explanatory! Did you click on the links I put in my response?

I really just want to do right by my plants. I've seen others suggest an early flower prune and strip too so it's not just this guy. Please help me shed! lol remember I am completely indoor so does that change anything?

So many growers, so many methods. All of the folks who have decided to go with my thinning methods are indoors, so that's not a consideration.

I don't claim anything magical about my method or have trouble explaining why it works. It works in the same way thinning peach trees after flowering works. A branch with 20 flowers will produce 20 tiny peaches not worth eating. Take off a lot of them and you end up with many fewer but much bigger peaches that will fill you up with each and every one. I don't want lots of little buds all the way down the branch, I want bigger tops worth spending my afternoons trimming. And I truly believe that plants need leaves for photosynthesis. Why do they grow them back if they don't?

 

[BakedARea]

A single strain can have hundreds of phenos depending on the farm it was produced etc. And each pheno can be drastically different in taste and strength. So in the end it's all just words

I will send you a PM because I don't want to break rules. I do believe that many of our sponsors definitely have some great genetics! There are some that are more stable than others though. When you have genetics that are popping the same pheno, generation after generation, then I think we are getting to heirloom cultivars. Those are few and far between in my research. I can say that my next run will be two heirlooms varietals.

A single plant has various strengths and tastes and effects going up and down the plant so even labels are kinda guesswork.

Indeed! Also, the cultivation practices can affect a plant's crop. So many variables!

It's because his plants spent their energy regrowing the fans he took off. I don't want my plants spending their flowering days using energy to regrow leaves...I want them growing flowers. But that's me.

This argument right here @Moony is what made my logic antennas go haywire. It makes absolute sense when you look at it from the plant's perspective. Or how a out a home's solar panels. On a crummy and cloudy day, my house is forced to engage the grid for power. When the plant's PRIMARY energy makers are gone...the plant is forced to get energy from other areas and also expending that energy to create more energy makers.

The endocannabinoid system seems to be much more individual than a lot of the other systems in our bodies

As a society, we are horribly deficient when it comes to our endocannabinoid system. If we could help each other find that balance and peace, I believe a lot of the madness would begin to disappear. When I fill my endocannabinoid system...I basically don't give a shit anymore about just about anything except growing and healing. All the crap that makes me angry and frustrated just starts to fade away.

Ok..shit... that's not true. I'm still a bit bitter about my shitty drying and curing craftsmanship. Stoned or not...I'm still pissed. Ok...carry on.

I really just want to do right by my plants. I've seen others suggest an early flower prune and strip too so it's not just this guy.

Shed explained it perfectly. You are ALREADY doing right by your plants. By tuning into their individual needs. Every varietal is going to require different care based on so many factors. I also watch that channel btw. He has wonderful productions and sound advice. I just think that it is important to take in advice and wisdom from multiple sources and start building your own library of wisdom. I make far too many mistakes plus I'm forgetful. I try and reduce that by listening (or ignoring...or forgetting) to advice from others. Blessings.

 

[Moony]

It's only confusing until you make up your mind as to which approach you'd prefer.

Nah. My before/after pics are self-explanatory! Did you click on the links I put in my response?

So many growers, so many methods. All of the folks who have decided to go with my thinning methods are indoors, so that's not a consideration.

I don't claim anything magical about my method or have trouble explaining why it works. It works in the same way thinning peach trees after flowering works. A branch with 20 flowers will produce 20 tiny peaches not worth eating. Take off a lot of them and you end up with many fewer but much bigger peaches that will fill you up with each and every one. I don't want lots of little buds all the way down the branch, I want bigger tops worth spending my afternoons trimming. And I truly believe that plants need leaves for photosynthesis. Why do they grow them back if they don't?

I think we're on the same page I've always thinned out anyways. I have an established canopy so it makes it easy to decide what will and won't make the cut. It was just the leaves part which I was on the fence about. I'll be limited on what I can and can't do anyway now the netting is in. I'm fairly sure I've cut off anything that won't make the netting at this point but at week 3 of flower I'm 100% sure what will and won't be good bud so I get rid of anything which hasn't stretched.

What you say makes complete sense about the leaves. And I did see your drawings and pics. It's just surprising to see results and an opposite argument that works haha. Usually opposite technics don't end up anywhere near the same results lol.

But think how cool those pics with the red paint drawings would be if they spun around and bangarang played in the background lmfao .

I'll give your version a go anyway. I take the odd fan leaf but only on the principal that one leaf that blocks alot more under it isnt efficent. but I go on instinct at this point. But I was planning on quite a drastic stripping on week 3 so I'll tone that right back now makes my life easier lol

 

[InTheShed]

But think how cool those pics with the red paint drawings would be if they spun around and bangarang played in the background lmfao .

If you really want me to do a thinning video to a Skrillix soundtrack, I'll consider it.

Of course, youtube will delete the audio on copyright grounds, so there's that!

 

[Moony]

If you really want me to do a thinning video to a Skrillix soundtrack, I'll consider it.

Of course, youtube will delete the audio on copywrite grounds, so there's that!

Hahaha I kinda do wanna see it though hahaha

 

[BakedARea]

week 3 of flower I'm 100% sure what will and won't be good bud

I'm still learning. I left on far too many branches and flower sites in my last grow. Slowly getting there though. Great lesson learned...trimming larfy shit...NEVER again.

see results and an opposite argument that works

EXCEPT, he lost 1 week of production to energy REdistribution. Less stress means all focus is only on the blooms. I stripped late on a couple of mine in my last grow and they stalled. After that, they were fine, and they had new fan leaves. Lots and lots of little F*ING fan leaves...everywhere...