InTheShed Grows Inside & Out: Jump In Any Time

Van Stank · Jan 7, 2021

Grand Daddy Black said:
Thanks guys. I misstated my question. I meant to ask if all hazes require a short "veg" period. I'm slipping -- no sliding -- into the "old fool" zone!

Let me make a recommendation on hazes or sativas if I may. I always hear the talk about starting them under 12/12 or doing short veg times. What people are really trying to do is keep the plant at a manageable size. I take a different approach. Think of sativas differently...you want to get them to the point that they are ready to be flowered out (meaning sexually mature) while keeping them small. Growing them under 12/12 won't impact that very much if you have the plants in a container where they can on the large size.

Growing from 12/12 won't do that alone. I find keeping them in small pots early on is key.....you gotta get the plant to that sexually mature stage in as a small of a footprint as your setup will allow. I try to keep my sativas in solo cups for 30 days before going to a half gallon pot. I will give the plant another 20-30 in that container and that will usually get me a plant that is close to 55-60 days old, and its still VERY manageable to deal with. This would be when I would consider up potting to my final container and flipping.

Also, wait until you see alternating nodes before you flip a long flowering sativa. I have a cut from a plant my neighbor grew this season. They vacation to islands all the time and two years ago they went to Grenada. They scored some weed down there and it was seeded with local seeds. I saw the plant growing outdoors at their place this year and asked them about it cause it was 9 feet tall when all their other stuff was 4 feet tall and it has the longest slenderest finger leaves I have ever seen. I Knew instantly it was probably a local landrace sativa from down there the way it was growing. They said it was from Grenada, and instantly my mind went to the Panama strains.

I took the cut of it in October and I still have it in a solo cup as of right now. I know its going to be a monster and have a long flowering time....so I im keeping it as small as possible until I'm ready to flip her.

InTheShed · Jan 7, 2021

Great info! :thanks:

Van.

Grand Daddy Black · Jan 7, 2021

Van Stank said:
Let me make a recommendation on hazes or sativas if I may. I always hear the talk about starting them under 12/12 or doing short veg times. What people are really trying to do is keep the plant at a manageable size. I take a different approach. Think of sativas differently...you want to get them to the point that they are ready to be flowered out (meaning sexually mature) while keeping them small. Growing them under 12/12 won't impact that very much if you have the plants in a container where they can on the large size.

Growing from 12/12 won't do that alone. I find keeping them in small pots early on is key.....you gotta get the plant to that sexually mature stage in as a small of a footprint as your setup will allow. I try to keep my sativas in solo cups for 30 days before going to a half gallon pot. I will give the plant another 20-30 in that container and that will usually get me a plant that is close to 55-60 days old, and its still VERY manageable to deal with. This would be when I would consider up potting to my final container and flipping.

Also, wait until you see alternating nodes before you flip a long flowering sativa. I have a cut from a plant my neighbor grew this season. They vacation to islands all the time and two years ago they went to Grenada. They scored some weed down there and it was seeded with local seeds. I saw the plant growing outdoors at their place this year and asked them about it cause it was 9 feet tall when all their other stuff was 4 feet tall and it has the longest slenderest finger leaves I have ever seen. I Knew instantly it was probably a local landrace sativa from down there the way it was growing. They said it was from Grenada, and instantly my mind went to the Panama strains.

I took the cut of it in October and I still have it in a solo cup as of right now. I know its going to be a monster and have a long flowering time....so I im keeping it as small as possible until I'm ready to flip her.

Thanks, @Van Stank. That all makes perfect sense to me! Can't wait to try it. :Rasta:

StoneOtter · Jan 7, 2021

Van Stank said:
Let me make a recommendation on hazes or sativas if I may. I always hear the talk about starting them under 12/12 or doing short veg times. What people are really trying to do is keep the plant at a manageable size. I take a different approach. Think of sativas differently...you want to get them to the point that they are ready to be flowered out (meaning sexually mature) while keeping them small. Growing them under 12/12 won't impact that very much if you have the plants in a container where they can on the large size.

Growing from 12/12 won't do that alone. I find keeping them in small pots early on is key.....you gotta get the plant to that sexually mature stage in as a small of a footprint as your setup will allow. I try to keep my sativas in solo cups for 30 days before going to a half gallon pot. I will give the plant another 20-30 in that container and that will usually get me a plant that is close to 55-60 days old, and its still VERY manageable to deal with. This would be when I would consider up potting to my final container and flipping.

Also, wait until you see alternating nodes before you flip a long flowering sativa. I have a cut from a plant my neighbor grew this season. They vacation to islands all the time and two years ago they went to Grenada. They scored some weed down there and it was seeded with local seeds. I saw the plant growing outdoors at their place this year and asked them about it cause it was 9 feet tall when all their other stuff was 4 feet tall and it has the longest slenderest finger leaves I have ever seen. I Knew instantly it was probably a local landrace sativa from down there the way it was growing. They said it was from Grenada, and instantly my mind went to the Panama strains.

I took the cut of it in October and I still have it in a solo cup as of right now. I know its going to be a monster and have a long flowering time....so I im keeping it as small as possible until I'm ready to flip her.

Thanks Van!

Amy Gardner · Jan 7, 2021

Van Stank said:
keeping them in small pots early on is key.....you gotta get the plant to that sexually mature stage in as a small of a footprint as your setup will allow

That part! @Graytail takes this approach with great success as well. And I’ve been working towards doing it more fully so it’s good to hear you can get more veg time the way you describe.

Interestingly I recently grew a Panama- 16hrs of light in a tiny pot for 4weeks and then into a 3gal under 12/12. It was untopped. It started flowering before it had alternating nodes - which really surprised me!

Virgin Ground · Jan 7, 2021

Amy Gardner said:
im happy you’re noticing the magic of living soil!! It’s something - there’s a look to my plants in good living soil that doesn’t happen in other circumstances, organic or not. I’m bummed I get the GF nutes here in Aus (it’s a bio product so not possiblefor GF to send here). If I could I would switch to it as system in heartbeat! It seems a stellar achievement in grow tec

This is my first attempt at any type of living soil. I can see white fuzz on the soil and that instantly makes me smile.
That's a good thing , right!?!?

It's cool to see it in action.
I'm so looking forward to flower.
I have to decide when to flip her but
I'll leave that debate for my journal.
I may need some back and forth and don't want to take up Shed's space.

Van Stank · Jan 7, 2021

Amy Gardner said:
That part! @Graytail takes this approach with great success as well. And I’ve been working towards doing it more fully so it’s good to hear you can get more veg time the way you describe.

Interestingly I recently grew a Panama- 16hrs of light in a tiny pot for 4weeks and then into a 3gal under 12/12. It was untopped. It started flowering before it had alternating nodes - which really surprised me!

I always say equatorial sativas kinda play by their own rules. We are growing them in different conditions in most cases than they ever saw in their natural state of evolution. Don't be surprised if and when they do something not normal. Those regions never see 14 or 15 hours of light in a day, let alone 18. Most grew for long periods in rather mild native soils to that region and now we are growing them in really rich soils or pumping them with salt based nutes. They are fickle but so worth the hassle in my opinion.

smokesbetter · Jan 8, 2021

That's interesting Thanks Van

MrSauga · Jan 8, 2021

One post in over 12 hours... is this thing on?

InTheShed · Jan 8, 2021

Colonoscopy yesterday! All clear

More soon...

InTheShed · Jan 8, 2021

Virgin Ground said:
I may need some back and forth and don't want to take up Shed's space.

Not only don't I mind when you post here, I really enjoy your poetic use of the enter key.

Van Stank said:
I always say equatorial sativas kinda play by their own rules. We are growing them in different conditions in most cases than they ever saw in their natural state of evolution. Don't be surprised if and when they do something not normal. Those regions never see 14 or 15 hours of light in a day, let alone 18. Most grew for long periods in rather mild native soils to that region and now we are growing them in really rich soils or pumping them with salt based nutes. They are fickle but so worth the hassle in my opinion.

Good point! We try to make plants grow in completely different ways from their genetic programming.

Now, let's do the Candida GA3 spray update on flip day 28...the first of two updates today!

60 ppm:

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InTheShed
Jan 8, 2021

Candida GA3 60ppm, flip day 28

60 ppm:

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InTheShed
Jan 8, 2021

Candida GA3 60ppm, flip day 28

60 ppm:

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InTheShed
Jan 8, 2021

Candida GA3 60ppm, flip day 28

72ppm:

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InTheShed
Jan 8, 2021

Candida GA3 72ppm, flip day 28

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InTheShed
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Candida GA3 72ppm, flip day 28

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InTheShed
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Candida GA3 72ppm, flip day 28

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InTheShed
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Candida GA3 72ppm, flip day 28

90ppm: