Indoor Grow July 2009 : AustralianQ1 CaliGDP CaliSSH CaliOrange DutchWidowSkunk

I didn't realize you had started another journal! :goodjob:Especially enjoying the pics detailing your pollination process, maybe one day I'll do such a thing so it's great to see how it's done! :thankyou:

borntorun said:
Who would have thought that it gets cold down under! :-)
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Bit late on this one but just a heads-up dude...they have mountains and snow down there, it's not just one huge desert ;) Lord of the Rings was filmed in New Zealand which is right next door if that helps ya visualize :peace:
 
hmmm. . .

I don't know how this escaped my radar. I haven't read it all yet, but i will do that. It will be nice to see other's breeding techniques. i am looking forward to that especially.

ok, gonna go read it, but the pics i saw looked good so far.
 
up to date now. (and tired and going to bed lol)

great grow though, very informative.

I should have put the LR#2 pollen I saved in the fridge too, i put it in an old pill bottle and left it in a dark corner. after my sex changed SR wasnt putting out the quantity of pollen i desire, i went to open it up and go to work and it was all moldy.

throwing it out broke my heart, lol. hopefully i will get enough seeds to keep going, but if not SEED BANKS here I come! (again. . . damn its expensive)

i never called the male flowers bananas before, i reserved bananas for the male parts on a female only. and just called the male flowers. . . well. . . flowers. the bananas really stick out on a female, but your male flowers look like bananas too. i guess thats my bad. live and learn.

+reps to you brother.
 
Q1 - A closer exmaination

Have been growing this particular variety for the last 15 years. At a best guess parentage is Thai/Buddah (circa 1995) and a Super/Skunk (circa 1996) and with a lot of other desirable variety traits. Is really starting to get her grove on at 16 days 12/12. Have even been able to get the 1 male pollen sac on both plants to open and have cross fertilised each so as to maintain a fresh batch of feminised seeds. As the plants are the same technically, crossing pollen from each other at least allows for the hermi aspect of such breeding. Having said this, I haven't seen a true male Q1 for 9 years, only small male flower pods that generally don't mature.

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Great lookin' girlies ya have there in the Great Down Und'ah. They're only in bloom for 16 days? WOW man, that's fantastic, lookie at all that snow coving them already! Wowzers, I'd have to say, September plant of the month, here you come!! lol.
 
California Super Silver Haze Day 48

Latest pics of the girl. She is a big sun loving Sativa Lady and I really don't think I realised how big a girl she was going to get. Mental note for me, take more particular notice of the breeders pictures!!! Beautiful smell, great strong trunk and branches. Strong Sativa, is there really anything more beautiful? Especially outside.... C'MON OCTOBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Did I mention I have seeded her with pollen from a Bubblegum Male that I had collected pollen from in May?

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Anyone got an idea of a name I can use as identification for this Strain?
 
DGMGH said:
Q1 - A closer exmaination

Having said this, I haven't seen a true male Q1 for 9 years, only small male flower pods that generally don't mature.
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Wow, I hadn't realized that. That's completely amazing that the male flower trait is so stable that it has allowed you to self-perpetuate that strain for so many years. Ok, I went back to the beginning of the journal where you mention that Q1 is feminized and that it does not demonstrate the male flower trait when grown outdoors.

Did that aberrant male flower behavior just show up spontaneously, or did you encourage it somehow? I mean at the very beginning. I'm assuming you must have bred for that trait down the line if it showed up later. What's the genesis of this self-perpetuating wonder?


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DGMGH said:
California Super Silver Haze Day 48


Did I mention I have seeded her with pollen from a Bubblegum Male that I had collected pollen from in May?


Anyone got an idea of a name I can use as identification for this Strain?
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Silver Bubble Haze?

California Bubble?

Hazy Silver Bubble?

I think it looks Bubbalicious.


ss
 
SS,

It isn't so much as a trait that is bred into a strain, as much as it is considered a genetic abberation due to nature always finding a way to reproduce if climatic and grow conditions are ideal. What has transpired is a feminised seedstock, in that, you can grow plants knowing that the female predisposition is paramount. The male flowers appear first as per usual sexing, but from experience and intimate knowledge of the strain, I knock them off the branch nodule, or, leave 1 or 2 to perhaps mature. Doesn't happen outdoors, or from clones.

Name wise, I am thinking SILVER DELUXE.
 
DGMGH said:
SS,

It isn't so much as a trait that is bred into a strain, as much as it is considered a genetic abberation due to nature always finding a way to reproduce if climatic and grow conditions are ideal. What has transpired is a feminised seedstock, in that, you can grow plants knowing that the female predisposition is paramount. The male flowers appear first as per usual sexing, but from experience and intimate knowledge of the strain, I knock them off the branch nodule, or, leave 1 or 2 to perhaps mature. Doesn't happen outdoors, or from clones.

Name wise, I am thinking SILVER DELUXE.
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The nature thing would make sense except that they don't do it outdoors. They would die outdoors in one generation.

Do 100% of them produce male flowers when you grow them indoors under the same conditions?

Have you ever just allowed them to self-pollinate indoors as opposed to manually pollinating?

I like the name:rasta:


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SS,

When a plant is grown outside, I find that the pre male flowers don't make an appearance first as they do under lights. I find that when they are left to grow I may see a male banana in the buds, kind of a survival technique as you have said, if not pollinated by a male nearby.

As for letting them pollinate naturally, I don't like to do it as there would be a sea of seeds and not really the best way to be able to label and record seed breeding.

I guess the most important thing to remember is that, Nature always finds a way...
 
DGMGH said:
SS,

When a plant is grown outside, I find that the pre male flowers don't make an appearance first as they do under lights. I find that when they are left to grow I may see a male banana in the buds, kind of a survival technique as you have said, if not pollinated by a male nearby.
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What I was trying to figure out was if the hermie behavior in your Q1 was a beneficial mutation or trait. If the plant could not survive on it's own, left to it's own devices (assuming viability in the wild is our standard) then the male flower behavior would not be a "natural" condition for Q1, but rather something that occurred because of circumstances you created indoors. Now that you mentioned that they do produce the stray delayed male flower outdoors also, it does seem more like a natural survival mechanism than something you brought about somehow.


As for letting them pollinate naturally, I don't like to do it as there would be a sea of seeds and not really the best way to be able to label and record seed breeding.
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I was fishing for whether your Q1 even had the ability to self-pollinate indoors without you intervening. I guess it does!

I guess the most important thing to remember is that, Nature always finds a way...
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If I'm a moth that likes to hang out in a tree that provides protection thorugh camouflage, and nature decides it's in the best interest of that tree to become lighter in color, I'm completely screwed if I can't adapt quickly enough. Nature can be a harsh mofo, and the "way" for one organism might spell the end for another.

Some of us may grow "organically", but how we manipulate these plants with selection, breeding, etc., is not organic and natural at all, but rather grotesque, like the Japanese goldfish varieties that can barely swim. Branches that snap from too much weight is something we created.

The reason I got excited about the possibility that the hermie behavior was something that *you* had somehow stabilized in the strain was that maybe it could be applied to other strains without having to spray them with colloidal silver or the other artificial methods growers use to produce feminized seeds.

That's why I asked when you first noticed them doing the hermie thing. Even if it was something you brought about by your selection and breeding, it would probably be impossible to define and figure out anyway. Didn't mean to clutter up your journal with my rambling BS:).

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SS,

You aren't cluttering my journal at all. The points you make are totally valid.
I am glad that this journal is bringing out such information swapping, very glad.
 
Quick interjection: Like begets like. Intersex (hermaphrodite) plants will continue to carry the gene until it is bred out, often taking several generations to do so. A variety that does not have the intersex trait is considered "true breeding", the female must be pollinated by a male. It is possible to create male flowers without chemical interjection, STRESS. Irregular light cycles, heat, crowding, extreme temperature changes, etc.. all create stress. Often times when faced with one, or a combination of these factors, a plant will intersex, creating the random seed in otherwise sensimilla. :ganjamon:
 
CanbisMxmus said:
Quick interjection: Like begets like. Intersex (hermaphrodite) plants will continue to carry the gene until it is bred out, often taking several generations to do so. A variety that does not have the intersex trait is considered "true breeding", the female must be pollinated by a male. It is possible to create male flowers without chemical interjection, STRESS. Irregular light cycles, heat, crowding, extreme temperature changes, etc.. all create stress. Often times when faced with one, or a combination of these factors, a plant will intersex, creating the random seed in otherwise sensimilla. :ganjamon:
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Thanks for that info CanbisMxmus!

Just out of curiosity, what do you think would happen over time to a wild patch of hermie females without human intervention? Would they eventually lose the hermie trait and produce true males and true breeding females?

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