ahhhh, so you're not letting them grow wide at all? Just tied up to the screen.
That's not vert by it's more normally accepted definition I believe. Or maybe it is and I'm confusing myself. The vertical light growers I know about might have 5 vertically hung, no reflector lights in a room, positioned to surround x number of plants fully with light penetration to the middle of each plant, allowing them to become rather massive. When you see 4-5' plants yielding 2+ #'s each indoors, it's rather impressive.
I don't think you really gain much either way with your method by defoliation or not. I think (and I really could be wrong here) it limits the plants with virtually no training.
In a 4x4 by my method/style I would have 3 plants in rdwc, training the shit out of them in veg flat and wide (along with defoliation) and yield between 32-40 oz.
I took this from a post on ----- from MyGreenToe.
"For the sake of this discussion, indoor vertical grow systems can be defined as:
Grow setups in which one or more bulbs is hung vertically, with no reflector. In all but Stadium style Verticals, the plants are arrayed around the bulb/s, in a 360 degree wall of green, which then grows inward towards the bulb/s. This eliminates the use of costly reflectors. Stadium style grows make excellent use of vertical space in the same way bleachers do in a stadium, instead of a 360 wall of green. The lights are hung vertically along the center aisle, while the plants sit on the "bleachers". The nature of these setups creates far more square footage of canopy when compared to a traditional flat setup with the same footprint. Vertical setups, while initially intimidating, are compatible with most any style of growing, from organic, to soil/soilless, and hydroponics of all flavors. Vertical setups have been proven to work on both small and large scales. Whether you Do It Yourself, or buy a commercial unit, once set up properly, they really perform!
Indoor vertical grow systems generally fall into 4 categories. These are Vertical SOG,
Vertical SCROG, Stadium/Coliseum Style Grows, and
Tree/Bush Grows."
As you can see there are multiple methods for vertical grows, my grow would be considered a Vertical Scrog, though I do not grow behind the screen and push the buds through the screen, I plant on the inside of the screen and tie the branches to the screen. The method you are discussing i believe is the Tree/Bush grow.
"Vertical SCROG
The most common vertical method for micro and personal growers, Vertical Screen of Green(V-SCROG) takes the principles of scrogging vertical. As with flat scrogging, V-SCROG uses a screen to train buds. There are 2 basic ways growers do this.
With the first method, the grower constructs a tube of hardware cloth, or any chicken wire like material with appropriately sized holes, and places the bulb in the middle of the tube. The diameter of the tube would primarily be decided by the lighting one chooses to use. One or more plants are placed on the ground beneath the screen. The plants are trained around the screen until it has been filled, using the same techniques as traditional scrogging. When flowered, the colas all grow inward to the bulb like an inside out porcupine. Since these are all DIY, there are as many variations on the same basic theme as one can imagine. A once popular variation was to fit the whole works, including ventilation, into a barrel. This is sometimes called V-Tub, Barrel of green, etc. They come in every flavor including soil, hydro, single plant, multi plant, etc.
The second basic method of V-Scrogging utilizes an individual screen for each plant in the system, typically attached to the pot so the plant can be easily moved outside the flower chamber for training, then put back in place. Growers with a single stationary screen typically don't have this option. I believe it is for this reason that most V-SCROGgers are going with this method.
Marlo's STEP IN THE ARENA is an excellent example of the second type of V-SCROG:
https://www.-----.com/ic/showthread.php?t=164050
This certainly doesn't cover every application of screens in vertical growing. It's worth noting that some Stadium growers have had great success training their plants with screens. Also some tree growers like to toss a screen over their trees and use it to help hold up the crazy colas they grow. Screens and nets can be useful in most any grow, so long as they don't get in the way too much."
Marlo's grow in the Step in the Arena was my inspiration for my grow. His room is 2'8"X6'x5' and he does 12 plants. The buddy of mine, that turned me on to Marlo's method grow, does this in a 3x6x8 closet with 10 plants. His screens are 2' wide by 4 tall, fits his room perfectly. The yield on his last grow was lite due to fungal gnats, but he got an average of just under 4 zips per plant or 2.5 lbs. I did not have that good a yield due to operator error, LOL. Since I only grow for my own meds my goal is 3 zips per plant 5 plants and around a pound. My last grow was just over 10 zips, again with operator error, so I know that I can improve on that.
The thing I like about the screen is being able to remove each plant from the tent to work on them, without having to fuck with the light. If I had access to clones they would all be same height an grow pattern, with mix strains I had varying heights which I had to put risers under the pots to keep them at equal height.
Note the plant on the far right, that was my bitch this grow. All plants were effected by the issue but that one was bad, yield was only 26 g's while the other 4 plants made up the bulk of the weight.
Ok enough rambling, more later.
GR
